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Firefox Passes IE6 In Browser Share

Jared sends word of Ars Technica coverage of Net Applications' monthly browser share numbers. What's significant this time is that Firefox has finally passed IE6 in worldwide share. "Internet Explorer remains ahead of the rest of the competition, but since month after month it continues to lose ground to all other browsers, Firefox has now finally surpassed IE6, which is easily the most hated version of Microsoft's browser. ... In October, all browsers except for IE and Opera showed positive growth. Between October and September, Internet Explorer dropped a significant 1.07 percentage points (from 65.71 percent to 64.64 percent) and Firefox moved up a sizeable 0.32 percentage points (from 23.75 percent to 24.07 percent). ... Although IE's decline seems to be unceasing, the real shame is that the old versions have more share than the newer ones (we can only hope that as Windows 7 gains popularity, this trend will reverse)." Ars presents a graph with their own site's browser share picture, and as you might expect it's very different from the general population's.

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  1. StatCounter etc by sopssa · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Just remember that StatCounter and other stat counting sites tend to be very US and English language generic - completely ignoring Russia and China and such.

    What's interesting is that Opera actually has 40-60% marketshare in CIS countries, better than both FF and IE (and not just a single version).

    But good that people are finally starting to move off from IE6.

    1. Re:StatCounter etc by Dartz-IRL · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The thing is, most people see Internet Explorer as 'The Internet', in much the same way that they see Ms Windows as 'The computer'. I mean, I installed Firefox on a parents laptop, and they're first worry was that they wouldn't be able to find their favourite website 'because it was a different internet'. People who don't grasp this concept will never see a reason to upgrade, and unfortunately, this means a silent majority of PC users probably never will.

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    2. Re:StatCounter etc by AliasMarlowe · · Score: 4, Informative

      Opera is also listed as #3 for Europe, ahead of Safari and Chrome. The gap between Firefox (all versions) and IE (all versions) is also rather narrower for Europe than for North America.
      http://gs.statcounter.com/#browser-eu-monthly-200902-200902-bar
      http://gs.statcounter.com/#browser-na-monthly-200902-200902-bar

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    3. Re:StatCounter etc by aodhan · · Score: 5, Informative

      Hi,

      I work at StatCounter and I would just like to point out that we have a very diverse sample size from around the world.

      As per http://gs.statcounter.com/faq#sample-size for July 2009 here was the breakdown of our sample pageviews for the month.

              * 1.3 billion United States
              * 570 million Brazil
              * 280 million Turkey
              * 260 million Germany
              * 250 million Thailand
              * 240 million China
              * 240 million United Kingdom
              * 180 million Indonesia
              * 160 million Canada
              * 140 million India
              * 109 million Russia

    4. Re:StatCounter etc by Eivind · · Score: 4, Insightful

      True. And it generalizes. The general rule is, you're 'allowed' to say things about majority-groups who are in power, that you can't say about others.

      So, if you're adult, male, white, middle-class, christian, heterosexual, well-educated, you're fair game.

      Whereas if you're a lesbian, jewish, old, female from Ghana, you can hardly be *described* without it being perceived as racism.

    5. Re:StatCounter etc by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Okay,

      Here's one. How would you explain the same exact situation in one place where it is seemingly blatantly by color of skin, where there is no significant differences in color of skin?

      Poverty and slums and ghettos are fairly universal thoughout the world, and very rarely does it matter what color of skin one has, compared to others.

      In Africa, there are whole regions where black on black power struggles occur, and the minority is not that significantly different than the majority.

      The point I'm making, is that it isn't color of skin that is the cause, it is just something to distract from the REAL cause, man's inhumanity to man.

      The worst propgators of this are not the white Anglo Christian heterosexual males (Most aren't Anglo btw), but the self hating race baiters like Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, and Jeremiah Wright.

      They do nothing to resolve the issue of man's inhumanity to man, and turn any dialogue into self fulfilling prophecies.

      Whenever you have people pitting one group against another group, it is nothing short of hatred. PERIOD.

      Yes, I've been to slums around the world. They are all around the world, and the only thing in common is that you have one group of people being pitted against another, without regard to individuality, and rarely does it have anything to do with "race".

      Libertarians don't care about power, or authority, except for that of the individual. Power accumulated into groups is where the problems truly lie. The problem with people like yourself, is that they see power in terms of groups of people, and yet seek solutions by grouping people for power consolidation, which really is the problem in the first place.

      True libertarians realize the catch22 nature of using groups to isolate individuals from the power of self.

      THAT is why libertarianism is popular around here, as it is about liberty of all people, not just the groups you belong to.

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  2. Antarctica! by AliasMarlowe · · Score: 5, Interesting

    And Firefox has a 100.0% share in Antarctica (maybe just 1 user?) http://gs.statcounter.com/#browser-an-monthly-200902-200902-bar

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    1. Re:Antarctica! by nicodoggie · · Score: 5, Funny

      Well, obviously Tux uses Firefox doesn't he??

    2. Re:Antarctica! by Hurricane78 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I just wondered why the Statcounter site showed without and images or stylesheets... Then I remembered that it was completely blocked in AdBlock. Because it's a nasty dirty disgusting privacy-raping piece of shit of a tracking site!

      I would see their statistics as more than useless, as everyone with half a brain already blocks them and their nasty friends.

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    3. Re:Antarctica! by rvw · · Score: 5, Funny

      And Firefox has a 100.0% share in Antarctica (maybe just 1 user?) http://gs.statcounter.com/#browser-an-monthly-200902-200902-bar

      Those damned penguins!

  3. Hrmm by acehole · · Score: 5, Funny

    So when are they going to rip the skin off Firefox to show "Netscape Navigator - Double Ultimate Gold edition"?

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  4. This site best viewed with NOT ie6 by sakdoctor · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I noticed many sites seem to have abandoned IE6 support completely. (Using ie 6 and 7 in virtualized XP for testing stuff)

    This is how it should be. No CSS hacks, just IE6 users seeing the bugs that arise through their usage of the browser.
    And for corporate users who HAVE to use ie6, for the nicest value of "they can fuck off"; they can fuck off.

  5. Net Applications? Slashdot! by BikeHelmet · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Looks like Firefox is dominating Ars. I'm more interested in slashdot browser share percentages, though.

    Oh great and benevolent admins, please gift us with your knowledge!...

  6. Hoping for Windows 7's success... by stressclq · · Score: 5, Interesting

    What this article tells me is that a quarter of the internet users are still using a web browser that was released on August 27, 2001. From a peak market share of %95, it has only come down to %23 in eight years (and change). This survival is against massive "IE6 must die" campaigns, introduction of fairly decent, and standards compliant (comparatively) browsers such as Firefox, Chrome the ever improving Safari and the somehow still surviving gem named Opera.

    I was hoping that the rise of social applications like Facebook, Youtube, Digg and popular business applications such as the ones made by 37signals would put an end, a final nail in the coffin if you like, to this monster from the digital stone age.

    But obviously I was, surely together with a whole bunch of other fellow /.'ers, wrong. Obviously, the failure of adaptation of Vista played some role in this outcome. But seeing that building a better (faster, compliant, etc.) browser is not the answer, I'm now genuinely hoping that Windows 7 will massively succeed so that we can put an end to this abomination.

  7. The numbers by Stan+Vassilev · · Score: 5, Informative

    What they mean is, all versions of Firefox put together (2, 3, 3.5) have surpassed one version of Internet Explorer (6), the oldest one. If you look only at oldest versions, only newer versions, or all versions together, IE has a solid lead over Firefox in all three categories. I'm not sure about the significance of this, as IE6 being at over 23% share, most sites still to support it for the foreseeable future.

    1. Re:The numbers by dingen · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What's most interesting about IE's market share is that version 6 (this oldest one indeed) is actually the most used version of Internet Explorer. Both version 7 (released 3 years ago) and version 8 (released about half a year ago) have not caught on enough to overtake IE6's position as the number one browser out there in sheer market share.

      These figures are unlike all other browsers, where the more recent versions have way more market share than the older ones. The usage of Firefox 1 and 2 for example is virtually nothing, while 3.5 is the most popular version. So "all versions of Firefox" actually mean "mostly Firefox 3.5, a bit Firefox 3 and really nothing else", while "all of Internet Explorer" means "Mostly IE6, some IE7 and some IE8".

      You are absolutely right that all versions combined, IE is still very dominant, but IE-users are way less inclined to upgrade to more recent versions. Just like Windows XP is still the most popular version of Windows. I wouldn't be surprised to see the same thing with Microsoft Office. Microsoft just doesn't seem to be able to sell their latest products anymore. This is why it quite significant that Firefox with it's latest product is able to have more market share than Microsoft with it's old version, because the old versions of Microsoft products are the relevant ones.

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  8. Errr....people updating a free browser is news? by Tomsk70 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Next we'll be seeing the revelation that Linux has overtaken Windows 98. Or something.

  9. Problems are still corporate users and non-techies by biscuitlover · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is great, but IE6 is still going to stick around for years. The reasons - as have been widely discussed on these pages before - are:

    • Large corporations can't be bothered with the cost and hassle of updating thousands of machines when IE6 is supposedly 'good enough' and doesn't break internal applications which were built on top of its many quirks.
    • Many, many home users don't know what a browser is or don't realise that there are alternatives. These people aren't stupid (well, most of them anyway) - they just don't care enough about tech to know the options.

    Neither of these situations will change any time soon. Gradual adoption of Windows 7 will certainly help in the second case, but the first one is dependent entirely on enterprise-level IT departments creating lots of work (and therefore cost) for themselves when senior management can't see any tangible benefit... And how soon do you think that will happen?

  10. In other news by imakemusic · · Score: 4, Funny

    Tortoise walks past dead Hare.

    Film at 11.

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  11. Re:IE6 no more by selven · · Score: 5, Funny
  12. Re:I 3 IE6. by maglor_83 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Plus, running IE6 on my machine can provide for potentially interesting conversations if it ever comes up.

    And I thought I was dull.

  13. Not on my site by imakemusic · · Score: 4, Informative

    I help run a website for an art gallery/shop - make of that what you will. The stats for our site is quite different:

    Firefox (all versions) 42.1%
    IE (all versions) 40.1%
    Safari 7.8%
    Chrome 4.5%

    Go firefox!

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  14. Some comparisons... by tjstork · · Score: 4, Insightful

    All users of every version of FireFox taken together use more than one old version of IE.

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  15. IE6 by FrostedWheat · · Score: 4, Informative

    I decided to collect some stats for the trade services section of my companies website. Our typical customer is *not* technically minded in the least:

    MSIE 8.0, 38.4%
    MSIE 7.0, 33.8%
    Firefox/3.5, 9.5%
    MSIE 6.0, 9.1%
    Chrome 9, 8.4%
    Firefox/3.0, 3.0%
    Safari 4, 1.5%

    IE 6 is dropping fast, but a very poor showing for Opera and Safari. The OS stats are dominated by Windows XP (62%) and Vista (33%), with OS X and other flavours of Windows taking the remaining few percent. No Linux at all sadly.