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Vint Cerf Plugs Android Into Interplanetary Net

Several readers sent in an update on DTN, the interplanetary Internet protocol that Vint Cerf has been working on for many years (and we have been discussing for nearly as long). The news now is that Cerf has added a DTN stack to the open source Android code, seeing uses in mobile applications for a protocol that does not assume a continuous connection.

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  1. Unlimited? by Geoffrey.landis · · Score: 4, Funny

    Is "interplanetary" part of the unlimited calling package?

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    1. Re:Unlimited? by TheDarkMaster · · Score: 1

      (Marketing guy of the company) Of course yes! We are happy to put ours customers in contact with your parents on ISS and beyound for a ridiculous small fee.

      (enginnering guy of the company) On the reality? hunm... err... well..

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    2. Re:Unlimited? by HalifaxRage · · Score: 1

      only if the android in question is named Data, Kryten, or Marvin.

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    3. Re:Unlimited? by Metasquares · · Score: 1

      Why would you want to talk to Marvin?

    4. Re:Unlimited? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's wrong with Lore?

    5. Re:Unlimited? by zapakh · · Score: 1

      Who the hell thought this was worthy of placing into a quotes file, anyway?

      Quotably quoted.

    6. Re:Unlimited? by zonker · · Score: 0

      Huston, can you hear me now? Good!

    7. Re:Unlimited? by Stooshie · · Score: 1

      "Why would you want to talk to Marvin?" Hey, he has the brain the size of a planet! Could be cool.

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  2. great, more spam mail by nomadic · · Score: 4, Funny

    DEAR SIR/MADAM:

    I am X'Fdfd'hdfsa St'uun. Auditor of the First Bank of Venus. I am contacting you on this business of transferreing US $35 MILLION DOLLARS into a safe Earth account and the need is very urgent.

    I got your contact from the Venusian Chambers of Commerce and interplanetary family directory and it is with business trust that made me to contact you on this matter.

    I write to solicit for the transfer of this money into your account. This Money was generated from an unused Account in my Bank (FBV).I am contacting you for your help and partnership for the following reason:

    My present financial resources will not be sufficient for me to handle the transfer alone successfully without financial assistance from a reliable foreign partner on another planet. 40% of this sum would be for you as compensation for using your Bank account in transferring this money, 10% would be used to reimburse the expenses made by both parties during the processing of the transferring which include,DTN bills, travelling expenses and fees, and starship fuel. While 50% is for me. Please note that I will arrange to meet with you immediately after the successful conclusion of the transfer, the 50% share of mine will be used for investment on Earth. Your assistance and co-operation is highly needed. I assure you that this transaction is 100% risk free. If you are interested I will require your banking information as mentioned below: 1. Name to be used as beneficiary and beneficiary's address. 2. Your private and confidential telephone/ fax number(s) 3. Your banking details and address, your bank Telephone and fax number(s).

    1. Re:great, more spam mail by gpronger · · Score: 4, Funny

      More likely, Can I order over the interplanet-net; a family box of your hot dead birds and a side of cholesterol laden deep fried tubers? Deliver to ZZ9-plural-Z-alpha, 5th out from the sun, 6th moon. Knock twice. And do you still accept American Express?

    2. Re:great, more spam mail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sorry sir, we only deliver as far as Ganymede, you'll have to collect it.

    3. Re:great, more spam mail by mjwx · · Score: 3, Funny

      I finally can go on a Vegan diet, now I just need to wait for the deliveries from Vega

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  3. Does not assume a continuous connection by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    This will be perfect for AT&T's network. And with slightly less latency than Voyager.

    1. Re:Does not assume a continuous connection by mcgrew · · Score: 4, Funny

      And with slightly less latency than Voyager

      Star Trek Voyager or NASA Voyager?

    2. Re:Does not assume a continuous connection by thisisaccount2 · · Score: 1

      ST:VOY. A 7-year ping time sounds about right.

    3. Re:Does not assume a continuous connection by Pollardito · · Score: 1

      Is there a star map for that?

  4. Vint Cerf Got the Ill Communication by AP31R0N · · Score: 3, Funny

    When will this go intergalactic?

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    1. Re:Vint Cerf Got the Ill Communication by b0ttle · · Score: 1

      When someone add light years to ping.

    2. Re:Vint Cerf Got the Ill Communication by Looke · · Score: 1

      Since when does ping measure distance?

    3. Re:Vint Cerf Got the Ill Communication by jgagnon · · Score: 1

      Where I live we frequently measure distance in minutes...

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    4. Re:Vint Cerf Got the Ill Communication by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      You need 8 chevrons for this !

    5. Re:Vint Cerf Got the Ill Communication by RivieraKid · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If you have a constant speed (i.e. the speed of light), then units that normally describe duration can reasonably be used to indicate distance, especially over great distances.

      Think of the light year mentioned above. A light year is the distance that light can travel in a year - so we're using a unit of time to describe distance. It works because the speed of light is the same regardless of your frame of reference, which also means the distance is the same regardless of your frame of reference.

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    6. Re:Vint Cerf Got the Ill Communication by slimjim8094 · · Score: 1

      AHA! You're from Jersey, aren't you?

      Everything in Jersey is a half hour, 15 minutes, 45 minutes away. Nobody talks about distance...

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    7. Re:Vint Cerf Got the Ill Communication by Lincolnshire+Poacher · · Score: 1

      > A light year is the distance that light can travel in a year

      In a vacuum!

      > It works because the speed of light is the same regardless of your frame of reference

      Only in a contiguous medium. The speed of light varies in different media, so the time / distance relationship becomes more complex if part of your journey is through water ( c 30% slower ), solid glass, peanut butter, diamond...

    8. Re:Vint Cerf Got the Ill Communication by RivieraKid · · Score: 5, Informative

      Well, yes and no.

      The effective speed of light changes in different medium, but only because of the refractive index. The light is still travelling at the same constant speed but because of the refractive index, it's not travelling in a straight line so it only appears to travel slower.

      What you refer to is the speed of propogation of light through various transparent medium. The light is delayed due to absorbtion and re-emission, but is not slowed down.

      Even experiments to slow and completely stop a beam of light (say, in a Bose-Einstein Condensate) are really just affecting it's effective speed, effectively capturing it with "tiny mirrors" but the absolute speed of the light is unaffected.

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    9. Re:Vint Cerf Got the Ill Communication by gmiernicki · · Score: 1

      intergalatic planetary.... interplanetary.... sin intergalactic... *scratch* *scratch*

    10. Re:Vint Cerf Got the Ill Communication by NatasRevol · · Score: 1

      Light doesn't travel through peanut butter...

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    11. Re:Vint Cerf Got the Ill Communication by Metasquares · · Score: 1

      That's New York City (and for good reason). In NJ we measure everything by exits on the highways :)

      But getting back to the original discussion, on a galactic scale, distance and time are scaled versions of the same thing anyway, since everything is traveling at a fixed maximum speed. Something 1 ly away will have a minimum latency of 1 year (2 for the round trip) unless we figure out how to send information FTL. And when you're dealing with distances of thousands of ly, you really wouldn't care about a few seconds here or there due to other overhead.

    12. Re:Vint Cerf Got the Ill Communication by Nadaka · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Since when does ping measure distance?

      http://www.ibiblio.org/harris/500milemail.html

  5. HDB Protocol by hey · · Score: 1

    Should have called it HDB (Hot Dead Bird) protocol.

    1. Re:HDB Protocol by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll wager that when a linux stack appears, it's called HDB.

  6. Intergalactic pr0n! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sweet!

  7. Synergy by AlecC · · Score: 5, Insightful

    See? Space research does have spinoffs for everyday life. If we weren't trying to get to Mars, we wouldn't have this useful protocol for Earthside use.

    Double NASA's budget at once.

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    1. Re:Synergy by TheDarkMaster · · Score: 1

      Where is my mod points when I need then. +5 insig to this guy

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    2. Re:Synergy by drerwk · · Score: 1

      We are on Mars. Have been for awhile.

    3. Re:Synergy by abigor · · Score: 1

      So that's why I have troubles breathing every time I set foot outside the door.

    4. Re:Synergy by Sky+Cry · · Score: 1

      The fact that someone invented something trying to get into space doesn't mean they wouldn't invent something else (possibly even better, more important) spending their time thinking about solving other problems.

    5. Re:Synergy by SlashDotDotDot · · Score: 1

      We are on Mars. Have been for awhile.

      For certain values of "we"...

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    6. Re:Synergy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      research doesn't work that way. Ideas aren't something that can just be focused from a set list.
      contrary to popular belief, research does not work like the game Civilization

      You never know what research can bring

    7. Re:Synergy by drerwk · · Score: 1

      The we that includes space internet users.

  8. Is pizza delivery still free on Mars? by jgagnon · · Score: 1

    It's a good thing I like my pizza cold...

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    1. Re:Is pizza delivery still free on Mars? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a good thing I like my pizza cold...

      ... just like my martian women

  9. E.T phone home! by frambris · · Score: 2, Funny

    Yeah. Now we can ditch the Speak'n'Spell when we want to phone home.

    1. Re:E.T phone home! by Ukab+the+Great · · Score: 2, Funny

      There's an app for that.

  10. earth to Vint Cerf by nimbius · · Score: 0

    if my laptop gets dated in 5 years, then its a safe bet that in 50 years the magical world of Android and iphone may be slightly dated in terms of interplanetary network access and communication. Although hey if the VAX had fibre channel...

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    1. Re:earth to Vint Cerf by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      You miss the point. They're not adding DTN to the mobile for extraterrestrial communication - they're adding it to the mobile for better terrestrial communication.

      The situations this protocol is designed to deal with - intermittent connection with variable (and potentially high) latency - are things that apply very much to mobile devices.

  11. Packet radio? by Gordonjcp · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If it works well with a potentially poor channel, maybe it would be suitable for improving packet radio systems. Remember that article a week or two back about what would happen if "the Government" shut off the Internet? Go get those amateur radio licences, folks...

    1. Re:Packet radio? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If "the gumment" shuts off the internet, they will also revoke your HAM license, don't you think? Do stock up on transmitters, and dust off your electronics textbooks, and do get the license if you are so inclined, but the license itself is a joke.

    2. Re:Packet radio? by geekboy642 · · Score: 1

      HAM requires two people with equipment that can be hidden inside of a large suitcase. The Internet, I'm reasonably assured, takes rather more space to store. Even in the doomsday scenario where the tubes are completely closed, and all HAM licenses are revoked, there will still be amateurs using the airwaves. Good luck communicating over IP when the backbones have been cut.

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  12. Great. Just what I needed. by rickb928 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Some of my family thinks I'm on another planet. Now they can call me.

    I need this like I need Graffiti on my G1. Wait, that would be cool...

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  13. 1980 wants its protocol back by thethibs · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Sounds like uucp over zmodem.

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    1. Re:1980 wants its protocol back by hey · · Score: 1

      I loved those "bang" addresses.

      jupiter!mars!luna!earth!slashdot!taco

    2. Re:1980 wants its protocol back by thethibs · · Score: 1

      Yah. There was a time I was corresponding with a guy in Minsk. The bang path was 22 hops, including a diskette carried between East and West Berlin.

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  14. Your knees'll start shaking and your fingers pop by cromar · · Score: 1

    Like a pinch on the neck from mister Spock

    Intergalactic planetary
    Planetary intergalactic
    another dimension another dimension
    another dimension another dimension

    Well Now don't you tell me to smile
    You stick around I'll make it worth your while
    Got numbers beyond what you can dial
    Maybe it's because I'm so versatile
    ...
    If you want to battle your in denial
    Coming from Uranus to check my style
    Go ahead put my rhymes on trial
    Cast you off into exile

    ...so how do I dial the eigth chevron on DTMF?

  15. DTN != Protocol by pdxp · · Score: 5, Informative

    Several readers sent in an update on DTN, the interplanetary Internet protocol ...

    Please stop screwing up the meaning of DTN. Not just /., but everyone writing article about Vint Cerf and "his" interplanetary internet. The acronym stands for Delay Tolerant Network, and is a type of network in which connectivity is ephemeral and a contemporaneous path between two points often doesn't exist at any point in time, necessitating any communication to be tolerant to delay (and/or disruption).

    A DTN protocol is one that takes advantage of the ephemeral connectivity of DTNs, usually along the lines of employing the store, carry, and forward approach to getting data from A to B via a time-varying path; e.g. a path exists, just not at any point in time.

    What Cerf has done has create a bundle forwarding protocol stack for the Android. It's not as "out there" as you'd think- someone send you data, you carry it, then forward it later. Lots of questions/issues in between as you might imagine.

    I think some people like Kevin Fall need to get more credit for their contribution to this area of research.

    Disclaimer: I am NOT Kevin Fall but I am a network researcher, specifically in the area of DTNs. No, not the algorithm.

    1. Re:DTN != Protocol by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good luck with that. Kevin Fall would not be the first person to find that his contributions were swallowed up by Vint Cerf's popularity.

    2. Re:DTN != Protocol by Dave+Emami · · Score: 1

      What Cerf has done has create a bundle forwarding protocol stack for the Android. It's not as "out there" as you'd think- someone send you data, you carry it, then forward it later. Lots of questions/issues in between as you might imagine.

      That sounds exactly how "Fleetnet" works in the Axis of Time trilogy, once the 2021'ers get dumped in 1942 and no longer have access to satellite communications. When someone previously in Hawaii arrives in Los Angeles, carrying their flexipad (PDA/laptop-like device), it hooks up with other nearby devices and the owners of those devices receive the messages sent by other folks in Hawaii, not just those from the owner of the pad that made the trip.

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  16. In Gulag Pindostan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Interplanetary net plugs Android into YOU !

    Yours In Yaznogrets,
    K. Trout

  17. DTN == Twitter in space by mounthood · · Score: 2, Informative
    Vint Cerf on DTN:

    streaming is a little nuts but file transfers will work - delays will be long however.

    sensor nets are a natural. as is email

    short messaging ditto

    status reports from systems; some forms of control also ok.

    image transfer, no problem.

    v

    http://mailman.ccsds.org/pipermail/sis-dtn/2008-July/000038.html

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  18. Vint Cerf Plugs Android Into Interplanetary Net by amliebsch · · Score: 1

    Did it find out what was wrong with the hyperdrive?

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  19. messaging by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Essentially this sounds like a message queue system. But at the packet level.

    ordered, guaranteed delivery.

    But what did they use as the reference point for time. GMT seems a little egotistical.

    gedw99

  20. Re:Your knees'll start shaking and your fingers po by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 1

    ...so how do I dial the eighth chevron on DTMF?

    The same way you'd dial the seventh for a seven-chevron address: press pound and star simultaneously (though one of them may actually be marked with infinity).

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  21. Obglitory Droidphone commercial refrence by virtualXTC · · Score: 1

    Too bad for AT&T I'm an iPhone and iDon't do DTN.

  22. Non-continuous connections by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 1

    Verizon apparently agrees that a data call on a cell phone isn't considered a continuous connection. I was with Alltel using #777 to get slow data calls for free. Since they became part of Verizon, I discover Verizon treats these data calls not only as consuming voice minutes, but also that they consider the connection as starting and stopping for any lull in traffic and round each one to the next minute. Over a period of 2 hours I'd used 130 minutes, and at a charge of 40 cents a minute due to having run out of minutes.

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  23. Source Code? by Alterscape · · Score: 1

    Is there any source for the implementation? I looked around the DTN wiki, googled, and still couldn't find it. Am I blind, or is this still in the "let's brag about it but not share the code" stage?

  24. title should be the other way around by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Vint Cerf Plugs Interplanetary Net Into Android