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openSUSE 11.2 Released
An anonymous reader tips news that openSUSE 11.2 has reached its official release. You can get it from their download page, or just grab the torrents (32-bit, 64-bit).
"openSUSE 11.2 will come with the latest version 2.6.31 of the Linux kernel, the beating heart of every openSUSE system. The default file system of openSUSE will be switched to the new Ext4 as well. Of course, openSUSE will continue to support Ext3 and other filesystems — but on install, new partitions will automatically be designated Ext4. ... Desktops and servers can use the same kernel, but it's better to tune the kernel for the job at hand. That's why openSUSE now includes a desktop kernel specially tuned for desktop users. ... In addition to the work of the openSUSE Project in the desktop, openSUSE 11.2 includes the latest versions of the two desktop environments, KDE 4.3 and GNOME 2.28. KDE users will enjoy the new Firefox KDE integration, OpenOffice.org KDE4 integration, consistent KDE artwork and all standard applications being ported to KDE4 including KNetworkManager, Amarok, Digikam, k3b, Konversation and more."
will my wifi work *EVERYTIME* without giving me an ulcer?
openSUSE 11.2 will come with the latest version 2.6.31 of the Linux kernel, the beating heart of every openSUSE system.
As opposed to all those other distros, which don't use the Linux kernel as their "beating heart." :)
Finally, easy upgrades come to OpenSUSE.
sudo zypper dup !
I just had to cleanly install OpenSUSE 11.1 the other day because I was in the middle of patching 10.3 when Novell took down the repositories. I worked on the broken system for a week before making the time to reformat/reinstall. I started patching it by hand to make the 10.3 -> 11.1 dup work, but it was just too time consuming.
But anyway, I'll be running zypper dup in the next few days after demand on the servers dies down. It's about time SUSE users get a clean in-place upgrade process. :-)
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This is nice and all but that's a pretty standard distro release, can anybody tell me why i would want to switch from a similar distro, say ubuntu 9.10 or fedora 12 to openSuse?
sure I could try them all but there is only so much time i want to spend installing/setting stuff up.
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Exactly. Let me know when I can buy things from the iTunes store, sync my iPod and iPhone, install a native Photoshop client, have professional video and audio editing tools, tear-free video playback, actual Blu-Ray support (not having to rip to the hard drive or use some esoteric library that only half works) and then we'll talk.
Anybody know of a mirror that actually works?
Really? (typing this on my Fedora Core laptop)
It's been my desktop for nearly 10 years...
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Sure, if you think you're being too productive and you have way too many useful programs available to use under Windows.
I use Windows 7 as well and so far really like it. However I find that its fun and interesting to play with different Operating systems from time to time.
the beating heart of every openSUSE system.
Linux as the love object of a Harlequin romance.
KNetworkManager, Amarok, Digikam, k3b, Konversation and more.
I suppose the geek learns to live with this sort of thing. But words like Korny and Konfusing also come to mind,
It is unfortunate, however, you'll need to run Wine or VMWare or Virtualbox or Xen to get those viruses loaded and running.
(I tend to think the other way: How can I run Nautilus, KTorrent, KRDC, and GMountISO in Windows.)
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I'm suprised to see they're only at 11.2. I honestly had moved away from SUSE/openSUSE towards Ubuntu after the zypper wars and teh KDE3/4 issues. (I succumbed to using GNOME on Ubuntu and am okay with it.) The last I used openSUSE was 11.1 almost a year ago, and I would have figured they to be at 11.3 or even 12.0 by now.
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When ext3 came out, I had reservations about it, and I stuck to ext2 until I was reasonably sure ext3 was totally safe. I've heard bad things about Ext4 corrupting data. While not as overtly malicious as Pulse Audio, (Which is an insidious parasite. Difficult to remove.) ext4 scares the Hell out of me at this state.
I urge Linux users to stick to ext3 for the protection of your data. At least for another year, give ext4 the chance to mature, then, when we are certain ext4 is safe, start using it.
I don't know what hole you crawled out of, but I suggest you stay there until you have legitimate concerns.
when I have a problem, I report it, and I actively do everything I can to fix it, I don't actively attack others sensibilities.
There you go again, egging us on to use such tools with no legitimate use for actual *legal* purposes.
Somewhere, the CEOs of Comcast, Time-Warner, the RIAA, and AT&T have collectively felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if most of their objections to actual legitimate Internet use were suddenly silenced...
deleting the extra space after periods so i can stay relevant, yeah.
Congrats first and foremost to everyone who worked on this release.
I use and love openSUSE. I've been running betas of 11.2 for a while now.
My only gripe is that openSUSE still apparently hasn't switched to Upstart, nor DeviceKit. I assume Novell's layoffs last year are the reason that openSUSE seems to be falling a little behind in feature adoption. I hope this isn't a growing trend.
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"Verify your download (optional, for experts)"
how about:
"Verify your download (mandatory, for everybody)"
(I tend to think the other way: How can I run Nautilus, KTorrent, KRDC, and GMountISO in Windows.)
By installing KDE for Windows.
So not being able to run native apps to buy from iTunes, sync my iPod and iPhone
It's almost like you blame Linux for the fact your hardware vendor tries so hard to lock out 3rd party support.
I went to eat some animal crackers and the box said, "Do not eat if seal is broken." I opened the box and sure enough..
It is unfortunate, however, you'll need to run Wine or VMWare or Virtualbox or Xen to get those viruses loaded and running.
Of course if you want to root a machine. Most rootkits will only run on Linux, sure there are plenty of Windows rootkits nowadays but rootkits originated on (hence the ROOTkit name) and are still most actively developed on Linux.
It's almost like you blame Linux for the fact your hardware vendor tries so hard to lock out 3rd party support.
You're right. Some people do. Because Linux "evangelists" like to say that Linux can do everything Windows can do.. .except better, AND it's more secure, AND it's free, AND it has a GREAT community.
MOST of which is true. It may or may not be better, it is more secure and it's free and it does have a good community (there are plenty of Windows communities as well, of course).
But it does not do everything Windows can do, because not everything runs on Linux. And most people do not want to lose hardware that works well for them for the sake of switching to Linux. Like iPods and iPhones.
Sure, blame Apple and not Linux for the actual hardware issue (interesting: Apple is a great company at Slashdot until it is convenient for it not to be a great company at Slashdot :) my experience, anyways)... but blame Linux fans for claiming things that either aren't true or are only true if you are more committed to using Linux than using your existing proprietary hardware. Some people care more about their existing hardware that works well and that they like than whether or not it works with Linux. And it's a perfectly valid reason, too. Doesn't mean Linux is bad, it just means some people have different priorities.
(I tend to think the other way: How can I run Nautilus, KTorrent, KRDC, and GMountISO in Windows.)
Explorer, uTorrent, built-in remote desktop or VNC client of your choice and Daemon Tools, respectively. The issue isn't with specific software but functionality, and you aren't helping Linux by pretending that it can natively do everything Average Joe wants.
Score minus 1,000,000.
Don't get me wrong, please.
I love KDE since 1.x. I've always hated GNOME since it was shipping with RH 5.2.
But I've been waiting for KDE and the whole Linux desktop experience to be good, and 11 years have passed.
Today, I have embraced Mac OS X for my personal desktop, and *love* it: I'm not looking back any more; I use OpenBSD for most of my servers of course; and for the PCs at work, I have succumbed to Ubuntu, a very customized Ubuntu that doesn't expose a whole desktop, but just a dock with only the applications the users need for work.
I fail to see why an easy to use desktop on Linux is needed any more, because all my three uses for a computer are already perfectly covered.
Not that I would reject using Linux as a desktop somewhere. Heck, I have used OpenBSD as a desktop. But just because I want to contribute to the project, or learn their internals. And for my users, it's better for them and for the company/institution that forget that they have a "Personal Computer": they don't; the machine in front of them is just a tool to get their job done. Then a whole desktop is overkill.
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Last I checked, Amarok has support for the iPod/iPhone. iTunes is still unavailable, though.
I'd like to hear from users who have upgraded from the previous release (as opposed to performing a new installation).
How did you perform the upgrade?
How did it go?
Did anything that was working before stop working?
Is there anything in the new version that you like so much you don't want to go back to the old version anymore?
Please correct me if I got my facts wrong.
For some i[insert word]s anyways, yes.
Doesn't exactly look simple or easy or "better" ...
If your iPod database has become corrupted (because you disconnected your device at an unfortunate point in time, because of an Amarok failure, ...)
Heh. :)
Behold, the ego of the arrogant asshole. The context of "desktop" in the original post refers to the majority of computers in use, NOT your personal choice.
I don't see any of this "Apple is a great company" stuff at Slashdot. Most comments about it are actually complaining about DRM and the closed-source nature of Apple products. The only positive comments I ever see about it are comparing it to Windows.
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On the contrary: some of us think Apple is a fairly crappy company which happens to offer a few decent products (OS X, iPhone, iPod, etc.) , and it is unfortunate that Apple sometimes takes steps to cripple some products after the point of purchase (tethering/iPhone).
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See now that's the problem with Linux evangelists. Some partial, hacked together, and buggy functionality is described as "supported."
In the Linux world "supported" often means someone somewhere got some limited sort of functionality, here's a link to sourceforge, rtfm, good luck. Which gets spun by some pencil-neck geek into "It works what more could you want?"
It's not so much that sometimes devices don't work to their full potential that bothers me. It's the bullshit amount of effort put setting people up for disappointment by saying everything works the same and better than it does on Windows. For many things its true, Linux owns. Sure. But stop fucking trumping up shit that sorta works as "supported."
The only positive comments I ever see about it are comparing it to Windows.
That happens quite frequently, which may be why I feel the Apple-is-cool vibe/Mac-is-better or whatever. :)
>> So not being able to run native apps to buy from iTunes, sync my iPod and iPhone
You are saying as if it is a bad thing.
Explorer - as I use it daily in expee, Vista and Win7 - is not as well-designed as either Nautilus or Konqueror. I find it lacking on many counts.
As for me "pretending that" Linux can do everything Average Joe wants, I don't. It does what I want, it works for my mother. It works for my two boys.
There are things that are needed - for those I run VirtualBox:
http://www.perfectreign.com/stuff/2009/virtualbox_xp_vb6.jpg
and can do such tasks as Visual Basic 6.0 development on XP machines. The rest can pretty much be done using FOSS under Ubuntu.
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It's pretty pivotal if you own and want to sync an iPod or iPhone. Or if, for whatever reason (such as exclusive tracks) you want to buy something from iTunes.
For some reason people have modded you insightful. Fortunately, I'll be left modded at zero.
Or will they forever be classed as the gypsies of the Linux universe, shunned by most distros? If your
webcam ever ever showed up in yast, then maybe I shall hold my tongue, and instead start singing
hosannas to its superiority. In 11.0, 'Scanners' iirc showed up. Almost, but not quite.
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I agree.
And, IBM will never be replaced as the dominant PC manufacturer.
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Suse blows.
Hey, to each its own. I value my freedom to do whatever I want with devices I have paid from my hard-earned cash and stay clear from Apple products (or for that matter, any , which will lock me in).
But I found parent's point backwards - just because he has locked himself into a particular system does not give him any right to cry about other systems that do not support his toys. Since when it is Linux or open source's fault that itunes/ipod/iphone are not compatible with their OS?
You are saying as if it is a bad thing.
Isolated, learning one new way to do something is an acceptable cost. But Linux is to many death by a thousand cuts when it comes to that. I dabbled with Linux for ~7 years before I finally decided to switch and there was many reasons for that. But one of them was the total lack of any familiar application, even though I was fairly convinced Linux probably had some sort of application like that (in retrospect, sometimes a doubtful conclusion) but it was always too much new. I can set off some hours to learn something new, I can't set off a month all at once to learn everything new. It was really only the early experiences with Vista that pushed me over the edge, thinking this wasn't the way forward. Now that I know how to use Linux properly I wouldn't switch back, but that wall is too tall. Not one brick individually but all of the piled on top of each other.
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Most of KDE4 has actually been ported to Windows as native binaries (using qt4, which is open-source across all platforms). http://windows.kde.org/ . Still very much a work in progress, but many things (like Kate, possibly my favorite text editor) work great. It has a simple graphical package management tool that allows you to select the KDE packages you want, update them, or uninstall them (and will automatically grab dependencies for you).
For other Unix-y programs, I've found that the native POSIX support in NT is good enough that quite a few programs simply compile and run without a problem. You'll need to install Interix (operating environment for the POSIX subsystem of NT) and its build toolchain (GCC based, though you can use the Microsoft build tools instead if you want). You'll probably also want to grab some of the nice pre-compiled binaries (such as bash, subversion, X11R7 libraries, and gcc4) from the SUA Community folks. Lots of info on this here: http://suacommunity.com/
In theory, you could actually compile KDE on Interix. Not sure anybody has put in the effort though; porting something that size is sure to run into hassles.
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Brilliant! I would not have been able to put it in a better way.
/. crowd, I expect a certain level of computer-savvy-ness, and their ability to learn doing things in different ways. It is indeed a tall wall (no matter how much 'desktop ready' it may feel), but then, I set myself up in a way that I know I have a way out with Linux (i.e. not building a collection of gadgets which would not work with a central system at my home). If this includes sacrificing some toys which are 'cool', and 'hip', so be it. As long as I get my ends met with different means, and I know how to deal with the 'different' means, I am fine with it (bud would not advise it to any or every body).
Of course, Ubuntu or any other distro based on Linux has its own learning curve. And I would not (and do not) advise it to everybody.
But when discussing this with
You really should have bought a real mp3 player. I hope you learned something.
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Totally mature CannonballHead.
You are SO right.
Just ask Microsoft.
As I understand it: Microsoft has claimed they will not sue novell linux users for infringing on msft patents. Msft claims that linux infringes on several msft patents, although msft will not specify exactly which patents. If you use any linux distro other than novell, msft might sue you.
And don't forget to pay scox $699 for each CPU, if you run linux. Thank msft for that also.
Even geeks on slashdot refer to it as "Linux" and distros are named "RedHat Linux" and "Ubuntu Linux" and "SuSE Linux."
Debian FreeBSD:
http://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/
I am curious what its advantages are over Mandriva; just a few days ago someone wrote the same thing about it - "Mandriva provides the best KDE4 experience".
It was also said that it has the most easy to use administration interface too.
I'm asking this as a GNOME user who decided to give KDE4 a try, so I hope you can shed some light on the subject.
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daemon tools really?
why use a ugly hack to a driver when you can just mount the ISO directly with mounting through loopback
or if the commandline scares you, use gmount or kde's kio slave for iso. just a google search and possibly a yum away.
daemon tools is something you would have had to google anyway
really now.... no need to inflict daemon tools on any other chumps out there