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US Cybersecurity Plan Includes Offense

z4ns4stu writes "Shane Harris of the National Journal describes how the US government plans to use, and has successfully used, cyber-warfare to disrupt the communications of insurgents in Iraq. 'In a 2008 article in Armed Forces Journal, Col. Charles Williamson III, a legal adviser for the Air Force Intelligence, Surveillance, and Reconnaissance Agency, proposed building a military "botnet," an army of centrally controlled computers to launch coordinated attacks on other machines. Williamson echoed a widely held concern among military officials that other nations are building up their cyber-forces more quickly. "America has no credible deterrent, and our adversaries prove it every day by attacking everywhere," he wrote. ... Responding to critics who say that by building up its own offensive power, the United States risks starting a new arms race, Williamson said, "We are in one, and we are losing."'"

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  1. what about anonymous? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Who needs a botnet when you have a labotomized group of internet hooligans who only need a target worth harassing?

    1. Re:what about anonymous? by TheCarp · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Because you can't budget for internet hooligans. You need to put them on specific payroll if you are to create your own personal fiefdom. Never forget, there is no incentive to save when your organization has no real limits on its "funding". When all you have to do is declare that people will pay you more, and they either do, or you declare that your going to take a loan out on their behalf, there may be an overall percieved need to "keep costs down" but, never "in our department".... no... because from the point of view of its own chartered purpose, a department must expand because there is always more within its mandate to do.

      So a general need to cut costs may be realized, but, never acted upon because, every actor believes he needs more money to do his job.

      And yet... they keep creating them.

      -Steve

      --
      "I opened my eyes, and everything went dark again"
    2. Re:what about anonymous? by earlymon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Because you can't budget for internet hooligans.

      In the 90s the military establishment began to realize and fear that the methods we had in place were dedicated to force on force conflicts but that terrorists - especially postulated nuclear ones - had no solution. Within a decade, that proved prophetic (although thankfully, not the nuke part).

      From TFS:

      Williamson echoed a widely held concern among military officials that other nations are building up their cyber-forces more quickly.

      Looks like déjà vu all over again.

      No one is ever ready for the upcoming threat - they're too busy safeguarding against the last surprise.

      --
      Pathological kinda promises Path + Logical - but instead, you get stuck with pathetic.
    3. Re:what about anonymous? by NotBornYesterday · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Ask the british, french or the romans, most of the countries they conquered don't hate them... and the US was just liberating countries. Something to do with trade, peace, talks, cultural exchange, improving the country and oh... not killing them in droves followed by massively dropping the standard of living.

      The British , French, and Romans killed lots of natives building their empires, they had no compunctions about doing it, and they certainly didn't feel bad about it after. So did the Spanish, for that matter. They also imposed their own laws on other cultures, and taxed their new "subjects", drawing more wealth out of the colonies than they put in, thereby driving down the local economy. The primary reason for being a colonial power has always been to exploit someone else's wealth.

      The US has built (or rebuilt) a lot of infrastructure in the wake of its various invasions. The standard of living in these places would be a lot higher if said infrastructure wasn't still being blown up, this time by people other than the US.

      Not justifying invasions or civilian deaths, just saying I don't agree with your comparison.

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      I prefer rogues to imbeciles because they sometimes take a rest.
    4. Re:what about anonymous? by TheCarp · · Score: 3, Insightful

      > In the 90s the military establishment began to realize and fear that the methods we had in place were dedicated to force on force conflicts but
      > that terrorists - especially postulated nuclear ones - had no solution. Within a decade, that proved prophetic (although thankfully, not the nuke
      > part).

      Actually, I tend to think Lawrence Lessig's essay "Insanely Destructive Devices" addressed the issue quite nicely. Technology that can be used for good can always be turned for evil. As technology expands what a person may easily do, or what a small group of people may do, it MUST ALSO expand the amount of harm a person can do.

      Its hard to argue that explosives and guns have not increased the damage of an individual with access to them going psychotic and deciding to kill. I am afraid that this threat is unavoidable. So too the threat of determined individuals with a rational or semi-rational goal of destruction are even more amplified. Terrorism *IS* rational from a soldier at war's viewpoint.

      So, in the end, the ONLY viable solution, besides attempting to raise the bar just enough to mitigate as much as possible the "crazy lone wolf" threats, is decreasing the rationality of terrorism. ONLY by stopping such groups from forming in the first place and growing will they be stopped.

      This is why I actually believe that things like torture programs get more people killed. The hypocrisy of championing due process, the rule of law, and civil rights and then instituting secret programs of detention, rendition, and torture are not lost on the enemy. They join up BECAUSE they know we are hypocrites, it is why they joined.

      Hearts and minds are the only battlefields that matter in the end. The rest is just those victories and defeats playing out.

      -Steve

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      "I opened my eyes, and everything went dark again"
    5. Re:what about anonymous? by ceoyoyo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Agreed. The places the US out and out invades usually get rebuilt pretty well, from Germany and Japan through 1990s and 2000s Iraq and 200s Afghanistan.

      The ones that don't actually get invaded though... those are the ones that really generate the anti-US sentiment. From all the destabilizing and dictator installing that was done in South America to the fooling around in Afghanistan and Iran and Iraq in the 80s.

    6. Re:what about anonymous? by mister_dave · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You seem to assume that all empires other than the USA were patterned after the Belgian Congo.

      Didn't the British Empire leave an infrastructure of railways, telegraphs, hospitals and universities? Is the export of trial by jury, common law, and parliamentary democracy a legacy to be reviled? Are people forced to play soccer, rugby, and cricket?

    7. Re:what about anonymous? by Phrogman · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The US seems to be a complete dichotomy with regards to its Empire. Inside the US, the citizens struggle to maintain democracy and the laws of their constitution against those who want to restrict and change them. They support the rule of law (although of course differ on what that means), and are very concerned with the rights of their individual citizens. Its a fascinating process to watch (I am Canadian).

      Outside the US, anything goes and the Munroe Doctrine supports that. While usually US foreign policy is explained away as a desire to spread the virtues of Democracy (and the American Way(tm)) to other nations, the reality is that the US has usually acted to support US companies in other countries, and well, if democracy breaks out, so much the better. So the US has supported a horde of South American dictators who abused their people, supported those who later turned out to be terrorists, and generally run roughshod over the rights of other nations and peoples in a cavalier manner that belies the principles they supposedly hold dear.
      Right now the US is an Empire, like it or not. Rather than compare it to the British or other Colonial empires though, I think the empire of ancient Athens is a closer match. Athens had the first democracy for its citizens, but relied in many ways on slave labour (nowadays thats third world workers, illegal immigrants) to maintain its strong standard of living, and it controlled city-states all over the Mediterranean (nowadays the largest buildup of foreign military bases ever built by any nation in history) that it could use to suppress rival powers. By and large the actions of the US are directed at securing economic stability and control over resources. If that means they need to invade somewhere to achieve those goals, historically that's what tends to happen. Of course the US has also abrogated to itself the role of the World's Policeman.

      Now, don't mistake me, I understand this process I think, and I don't entirely disapprove. I just wish sometimes that you could call a spade a spade and avoid the obfuscation. "We are invading Iraq because we need to secure control over the oil in that area", "We are not stopping the genocide in Rwanda because there are no resources there, and well, the people are black", "We are invading the Dominican Republic because the interests of US Sugar are threatened", etc.

      Some of the many conflicts the US has gotten involved in were entirely justified in my opinion of course, Afghanistan where Canada is heavily involved for instance. I think rooting out the Taliban and breaking their control over the people there can only be a good thing for the people of Afghanistan and the world in general.

      Not that anyone will read this, or care :P

      --
      "The first time I got drunk, I got married. The second time I bought a chimpanzee, after that I stayed sober" Arian Seid
  2. Wait what? by Dyinobal · · Score: 5, Informative

    "America has no credible deterrent, and our adversaries prove it every day by attacking everywhere,"

    Well that's just it you can't build a razor wire wall and laugh as people cut themselves trying to get through it. It seems to me the first mistake to be made is to treat a digital front as if it was a front in an actual war. All you're doing it guarding secrets most often, or sometimes vital services. Best way to protect them is physical separation from civilian networks. I know my friend who does communication translation for the military works on a network where they mirror a hand full of sites (wiki among them) every week and host them in house simply because having the network connected to the internet at large is just to risky.

    1. Re:Wait what? by Adambomb · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't really understand how this is even an issue. I seem to remember reading an article almost a decade ago [sadly I don't remember the source] which explained how the NSA operated their networking and it was EXACTLY what you're saying. The only connection their networks had to the outside world were stations with two terminals, internal network on one and external networks on the other with the agent in the chair being the ONLY connection between the two.

      No amount of efficiency gained is worth having truly sensitive data being ANYWHERE on an exposed network.

      --
      Ice Cream has no bones.
    2. Re:Wait what? by HiThere · · Score: 3, Interesting

      FWIW:
      I remember reading, I think it was a decade or two ago, about a Nuclear plant that had in internal network for just that reason. And total separation.

      Then they hired a consultant to test or fix something, and that consultant brought in his computer and hooked it up to their network, but he needed some info that was kept on his company's site, so he also hooked it up to the main internet.

      Well, the virus wasn't all THAT damaging, THAT time.

      Separating the nets is VERY desirable. But if you really want to be safe, you need to also use different communication protocols. Different strings for local URIs, etc. Even a simple change would probably be enough, but even a simple change would be a tremendous hassle to implement.

      Say you adopt the httq protocol instead of the http. Now you need to modify all the programs that expect http...because you don't want a rogue http link that sneaks in to be able to be processed. Quite a simple change... You'd want a series of changes at about that level of simplicity, and at all 7 levels of the protocol stack. Each one trivial.

      Now try to run your MSWind software.... Whoops! All you can run is software that either doesn't depend on the net, or is specially crafted. This means OSS, and practically FOSS software.

      (I suppose there might be simpler solutions, but every one I thought of I soon saw holes in.)

      --

      I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
  3. Re:Well by hansraj · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You know what's a better idea? Leave those damn servers alone and let everyone see for themselves what a nutjob your enemies are. Bringing their servers down won't bring the poor sod in the video back to life, but it might make sure that next time you have something tangible to act on (like invading a "rogue" country) other countries will root for you.

  4. Reminiscent of the Cold War by meustrus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    To me, this is reminiscent of our arms race with the Soviet Union. Military officials were convinced that the Soviets were always one step ahead of them the entire time, even though the only time they got to a technology before us was the launch of Sputnik, which wasn't really a military achievement anyway (we were all decades behind spy satellites or something like SDI). If they didn't think the Soviets were building something better than what we had (which would have been supported by their intelligence gathering) they never stopped using that argument to support large standing armies and rapid technological arms buildup.

    And when the USSR collapsed, we learned that the entire time they had been at least two steps behind us.

    My opinion is that our infrastructure is in such disrepair that if hostile powers had the capability of cyperterrorism, they would have to practice extreme restraint not to use it to put the entire nation in a blackout for a month. If that means they're waiting for a combined-arms assault, then offense is not going to help us when our "military botnet" doesn't have any electricity to run on.

    The recent scare about cyberterrorism causing blackouts in Brazil, only to find that those blackouts were more likely due to natural causes in a poorly maintained electrical grid, supports my point.

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    I sometimes ask revealing, often ignorant-seeming questions. Maybe they're harder to answer than you think.
    1. Re:Reminiscent of the Cold War by Chabil+Ha' · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And when the USSR collapsed, we learned that the entire time they had been at least two steps behind us.

      Would you have had it any other way? If we had not maintained our paranoia of the Russians one-upping us, would we have maintained our edge? I'll let history stand as the best outcome of the cold war without trying to second guess what would have happened if we had not taken the position we did. The illusion of a perpetual stalemate is certainly preferable to the alternatives.

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      We're all hypocrites. We all have hidden parts, it's the contrast between them that make us more a hypocrite than others
    2. Re:Reminiscent of the Cold War by earlymon · · Score: 2, Informative

      While it's true that we severely overestimated their number of ICBMs and their production capabilities, there were a number of places where the Soviets were ahead of us:

      * fighter aircraft maneuverability
      * Lunakhod (decades before the Mars rovers)
      * tanks
      * Sputnik

      And Sputnik was indeed a military coup. If you've seen the boost vehicles blowing up while we tried to match them, I'd ask you to consider the panic that that created. Sputnik proved the Soviet capability to put a package into a low orbit - kind of a major part of ICBMs. The ensuing space race was a thinly veiled response to improve our boost vehicle and command and control capabilities.

      Sputnik spawned the NDEA of 1958 -

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Defense_Education_Act

      I agree with the spirit of your post - just the details need polishing.

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      Pathological kinda promises Path + Logical - but instead, you get stuck with pathetic.
    3. Re:Reminiscent of the Cold War by Adambomb · · Score: 3, Funny

      But But But, I want my Kuang Mark 11 to slot into my deck!

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      Ice Cream has no bones.
  5. This Sounds Like by boudie2 · · Score: 3, Funny

    A job for Bill Gates, smartest man in the world. Only he can catch Osama Bin Laden and keep the world safe for democracy. Isn't this all sounding like the story line to a bad movie?

  6. Some of the ways theey're taking down email by NoYob · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...proposed building a military "botnet," an army of centrally controlled computers to launch coordinated attacks on other machines.

    Dear Terrorist:
    I am a Jihadist in Nigeria with $10 million and if I put it into a bank, those infidel Americans will freeze it. If you send me $5,000 to open an account in the Cayman Islands, I will put you in for half!

    Or the other one:
    Dear Terrorist:
    Do want a LARGER penis? With a LARGER penis, you'll be more of a man and be able to take out those infidel Americans! Buy V1@gr4 from us! We will make you BIGGER and STRONGER! Allah be praised!

    or:

    Make BIG MONEY selling AK-47s from home! Make even more with IEDs!

    Kill Americans!

    --
    It's NOT me! It's the meds! I'm on 1000mg of Fukitol.
  7. Re:Just give it time by earlymon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    In ten or twenty years USA won't be a country worthy of attacking

    You must be too young to remember - that was a popular 70s meme, with the US being the new Roman Empire on its way to an accelerated collapse.

    Don't count the US out until you can count 10. Maybe the reason for its endurance is that the US is really never just one nation of one people.

    ;-)

    :-P

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    Pathological kinda promises Path + Logical - but instead, you get stuck with pathetic.
  8. Strangelove by Hemogoblin · · Score: 3, Funny

    Mr President, we must not allow a script-kiddie gap!

  9. Botnet? by omni123 · · Score: 2, Funny

    A military botnet? No problem; just throw all the federally owned computers in to another one, I'm sure Conficker doesn't mind sharing...

  10. Re:Just give it time by TheLink · · Score: 3, Interesting

    No country would start a war with the USA. Not now or in twenty years. Just look at the USA's "defense" budget compared to the rest of the world _total_.

    They're like "that survivalist guy with a whole basement full of guns, ammo, grenades and a rocket launcher or two". It'll be suicide to go up to his house with a BB gun and shoot at it.

    If anyone wants to hurt the USA they'd have to do it more sneakily - so there's no obvious target for their nukes, cruise missiles, bombers etc.

    Same goes for this "cyberwarfare" thing. A massive concerted attack from your country against the USA will just get you bombed.

    The US media likes to make noise about China/<bogeyman of the day> launching cyberattacks on US servers. The fact is, if the Chinese Gov was really involved, the US Gov will just call the Chinese ambassador in, and say: "Hey stop that now". But really which government is going to do that? If my government wanted to start a war with the USA - cyber or otherwise, a real act of patriotism would be to shoot the idiot leader(s) who came up with that idea.

    The attacks are mainly from a bunch of script kiddies or criminals. If the US Gov is really serious about reducing the attacks they should just go follow the money/control channels, and jail the people responsible if they're in the USA (won't surprise me if many are actually from the USA- after all Sanford Wallace is in the USA, and the BlueHippo thing was in the USA ).

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  11. Re:Just give it time by value_added · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Don't count the US out until you can count 10. Maybe the reason for its endurance is that the US is really never just one nation of one people.

    Discussions of exceptionalism aside, you must find the term "homeland" (as in "Homeland Security") as inappropriate (even funny) as I do.

  12. Re:Just give it time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    It's "das Vaterland".

    Just saying.

  13. Re:Well by NotBornYesterday · · Score: 3, Insightful

    First: American news outlets generally avoid graphic scenes. Other news organizations may report more explicit content, but I think you're confused.

    Second: Any rational, independent-thinking person knows there is a considerable difference between filming action between armed combatants on a battlefield, and the producing a video of the execution of an innocent, helpless, non-combatant hostage. Furthermore, in the first situation the video is a by-product of the main action. If anything, knowledge that the battle is documented may inhibit excessive violence. In the second situation, the video is the primary aim of the action, and because the nature of the video is to cause terror, it encourages greater inhumanity in its actors. But then again, you already knew that.

    The hypocrisy and filthy double standard here is in those who would equate the actions of nameless, faceless terrorists with those of the US military. While they are far from perfect, all branches of the US military bring court martials against those in their command believed to have committed atrocities. There are those who would argue that little has resulted from them, (and they would mostly be right) but that misses the point: No terrorist organization holds (or attempts to hold) itself to nearly the same standards that the US does. No member of al Quaida has ever faced a disciplinary hearing for bombing a mosque, market or school. No insurgent has ever been indicted by his own organization for intentionally targeting innocent civilians. Far from being despised, they are called heros. But then again, you already knew that.

    There are times the US should listen more closely to other voices in the world. Just not to yours. Quite frankly, I wonder why you think the US should give a damn about your opinion, or the opinion of people like you. Not because you think differently, or because we're evil, or we don't listen to our neighbors, but because you obviously care more about your anti-American agenda than you do about dialog. But then again, you already knew that.

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    I prefer rogues to imbeciles because they sometimes take a rest.
  14. Re:preparing for cyber warfare by misexistentialist · · Score: 2, Interesting

    You say it's inexcusable that it's their own damned fault that they get viruses. So you propose restricting internet access to give them what they want by taking it away.

  15. Re:Just give it time by yanos · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The fact is, if the Chinese Gov was really involved, the US Gov will just call the Chinese ambassador in, and say: "Hey stop that now".

    And then he could reply: "no, and stop bothering us or we'll just start devaluating your currency so much, you're gonna be ruined".

    You were speaking about the huge size of the US defence budget, yet it won't help much if most of your equivalently huge debt is owned by a foreign country.

  16. Re:Just give it time by ceoyoyo · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It might be a wee bit early to go claiming endurance.

    The US has been a superpower for less than 60 years, and has existed for less than 250 years.

    The Roman Empire, which you mentioned, and most of history's other great civilizations, were around for rather longer.

  17. Re:Just give it time by earlymon · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Seriously? You really think it's a wee bit early to attack the idea that the US will be of no consequence within two decades?

    The Roman Empire, as I mentioned it, was in comparison to our stated decline and decadence in the 70s.

    I never said - nor even got in the neighbor of saying - or predicting - how long the US would endure. All I said was that I question less than 20.

    If you're gonna snipe, pick words, concepts or sentiments that I actually express as a target.

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    Pathological kinda promises Path + Logical - but instead, you get stuck with pathetic.
  18. Oh... :-\ by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 2, Funny

    When I saw "offense" I envisioned a couple crackers in Eastern Europe getting a drone launched Hellfire missile up the rear. Oh well.

  19. Re:Just give it time by nurb432 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    No country would start a war with the USA. Not now or in twenty years. Just look at the USA's "defense" budget compared to the rest of the world _total_..

    Um, wake up we are at war on several fronts.

    We have organized entities trying to kill us. ( perhaps not overly effective to date, but that isnt the point )
    We have organized countries trying to crush our economy.

    How do YOU define war?

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    ---- Booth was a patriot ----
  20. Re:Just give it time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    What about what PLA leaders have published in regards to Information Warfare and ("Informationized Warfare")?

    A good starting point is Unrestricted Warfare. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unrestricted_Warfare for links to a PDF version.

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    "This is another type of war, new in its intensity, ancient in its origins—war by guerrillas, subversives, insurgents, assassins; war by ambush instead of by combat; by infiltration, instead of aggression, seeking victory by eroding and exhausting the enemy instead of engaging him. It requires in those situations where we must counter it a whole new kind of strategy, a wholly different kind of force, and therefore a new and wholly different kind of military training."
    John F. Kennedy
    USMA Graduation Speech, 1962

  21. Re:Just give it time by HiThere · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If you haven't noticed, during that period of time the US *HAS* followed in the steps of the Roman Republic. Not precisely in lock-step, but close. I hope that there's enough play that we escape the horrendous Marius vs. Sulla civil war, but the democracy of the country has declined severely during this period. The presidency has become more imperial. The orders of the president are less subject to question. Etc.

    OTOH, now that the US has defeated it's last major enemy (Russia....for some reason China doesn't count. Probably because they defeated us financially without our even noticing it. They own so much US debt they could sink us totally if they ever wanted to take the hit. But they probably won't. I did say there was a lot of play in the model.) the country seems to be collapsing. It's not for lack of military spending, either. We waste more money on the military than most countries spend. (I don't count all military spending as waste. But lots of it is.)

    There are differences. E.g., the computer games that are our substitute for the arena, don't actually injure anyone. And they encourage a level of direct participation rather than mere voyeurism. If we go to virtual reality, this level of engagement will increase. But that isn't what killed the Roman Republic. The excesses of the arena happened mainly after the transition to the Empire, though they'd certainly been building up during the later days of the Republic.

    What we have is the decay of the power of the common people, and the concentration of power into the hands of a few aristocrats. One of the basic tools of that in the US is the division of political parties into two, and an election system that practically guarantees that the winner will be one of those two. That means that anyone sufficiently wealthy can purchase the loyalty of BOTH candidates before the election. Since there are only two real contenders, it's not even a gamble. And the bribery laws have sufficient loopholes that anyone who is knowledgeable can bid for the vote of an office-holder. It's dangerous for the inexperienced, though. This serves to concentrate power in those who are wealthy enough to buy both sides, and, after them, the politicians and, after them, those with enough money and skills to "convince" the office-holder.

    This has long been a problem, but it's become much worse since the 70's. And one of the vehicles of this was a decision by the FCC that networks weren't required to offer equal time to all candidates.

    It's possible that the net could reform this, but my bet would be that the laws are instead somehow changed to provide more benefit to those currently in office. And to maintain the expense of campaigning.

    It's quite possible that there won't be any dramatic assassination followed by a usurpation as was involved in the shift from the Roman Republic to the Empire, but that didn't really change anything. That merely consolidated changes that either had already happened or were already well in motion. (Note that at first the Imperial mantel was not hereditary, an Augustus initially had to share power with two other co-rulers.)

    We've come a long way towards the transition in a shorter period than I had expected. We certainly did it a lot faster than the Romans did. But the signs of the collapse are writ large for those to see who can.

    OTOH, the Imperial period of Rome wasn't a bad period for those who stayed out of politics. (Well, and weren't enemies of Rome.) The politics got a lot bloodier, but the lot of the common folk didn't become much worse until quite a bit later.

    However, it's worth noting that the Imperial period of Rome was considerably shorter than the Republic was. And it wasn't invaders that destroyed Rome, they merely delivered the final coup, it was internal dissension. Various powerful groups fighting against each other without regard for law or custom striving for ultimate power. If you don't see the roots of that in the here-and-now, you're being willfully blind.

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    I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
  22. Re:Just give it time by ceoyoyo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    That's not what I said. I said, and I quote, "It might be a wee bit early to go claiming endurance." You said, and again, I quote, "Maybe the reason for its endurance is that the US is really never just one nation of one people."

    The US is far too young to have shown much "endurance" and certainly too young to need explanations like because it "is really never just one nation of one people."

    If the US makes it, in recognizable form, to the magic thousand years that all the big empires seem to aim for, THEN you can start looking for the something special that the US has and all the others lacked.

  23. Re:Just give it time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You don't have a clue what you are talking about. China would only hurt themselves if they tried to start dumping their US treasury holdings, and of course since they peg the yuan to the dollar they would kill their exports. In any case the US is already devaluing the dollar tacitly.

    And the US defense budget would have no affect on the strength of the dollar. That is just rubbish.

    Please take some time to read up on current events before spouting off your uninformed nonsense.