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AMD Radeon HD 5970 Dual-GPU Card Sweeps Benchmarks
MojoKid writes "AMD launched yet another high-end graphics card based on their Radeon HD 5800 series technology, and this time it's a dual-GPU variant. Considering the fact that AMD's Radeon HD 5870 is currently the fastest single-GPU powered graphics card currently on the market, the new dual-GPU powered Radeon HD 5970 should offer performance that completely outclasses any other single graphics card on the market right now. The card has 3200 stream processors under the hood, though its graphics engines are built on 40nm manufacturing technology, so power consumption isn't actually too insane. The card does exceptionally well in the usual benchmarks, as expected." HotHardware has begun providing single-page views — a user-friendly decision. PCPer.com also has coverage. And pcpro.co.uk wonders whether, at 13" (33 cm) in length, the new card will even fit in most PC cases.
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3679
In any case I can imagine the computer roaring under my table...and myself in a corner crying like a baby out of fear.
Obviously, a card like this is pretty dubiously practical for virtually any application, and exists entirely to soak up the least cost sensitive gaming enthusiasts and the latest round of benchmark bragging rights(and, possibly, as the beta test for a much more expensive workstation equivalent, once the drivers are in order).
For benchmark bragging rights, it doesn't even have to fit into a case. It'll just be tested benchtop, get the numbers it needs, and be a success. For price-insensitive gaming enthusiasts, it barely matters if it fits in an existing case. The sort of people who buy the top-of-the-line card(rather than the 90% of the performance, 50% of the price model) can (and will) just buy a new case.
While proprietary support for ATI cards in linux can indeed suck, they do have far better support from the Free drivers. Of course, if you are buying this card to use with the Free drivers, you probably need to rethink your purchase.
That said, I'm a linux user who doesn't do heavy gaming so I don't get big expensive graphics cards, and ATI will be my first choice for the forseeable future.
"linux is just DOS with a UNIX like syntax" -- Galactic Dominator (944134)
Honestly, the card can be the hottest thing in existence but if the system reboots due to a driver (per the system log) and there are numerous complaints, maybe you should spend more time getting the drivers right.
I have a pair of ATI 4870's. When I put it into Crossfire mode, the games work great. When I take them back out of crossfire, the system can reboot 4 or 5 times during Windows startup before the system finally starts. Occasionally the system will reboot during regular Windows startup. Log errors indicate a problem with an ati driver. (I have three monitors. Going into crossfire loses access to the other card with two monitors so I have to come out of crossfire to recover.)
Comments in the forums is to upgrade the drivers. But jeeze, I have to use a registry cleaner and driver cleaner to get every little bit of older ati driver from the system or I have no end of driver problems when I upgrade. Once it's cleaned and an upgrade installed, it brings it back to the occasional reboot and reboot when coming back from Crossfire.
If you can't get your drivers right, people won't buy your cards more than once and the folks that do and experience problems will turn folks away from your business. I know I recount this story on the forums I frequent.
[John]
Shit better not happen!
Anecdotally, the situation is not as bad as "4-6 weeks". I have a 5850. I pre-ordered it a couple of days before launch. I got it the following week.
According to the web forum of the retailer I shopped with (overclockers.co.uk) the stock has been trickling in in small shipments. If the shipments are never quite large enough to finish off the retailer's pre-order book, the item may never appear as "in stock" on the website (giving the impression there aren't any around at all), even though people who order are actually getting them reasonably promptly.
I will agree that open-source drivers for ATI cards are fantastic (and binary drivers are truly terrible). I'm using the new (using release candidates of kernel 2.6.32) r600 hardware acceleration support, and it's already working very well for me (mostly for Google Earth and Kwin desktop effects, both of which work flawlessly and very smoothly).
However, I would caution that support for the chip mentioned in this article (Radeon Evergreen) is marked as "TODO". Presumably, it should progress relatively fast, because AMD is basically being helpful.
Nvidia deserves some credit for updating their binary driver regularly, and making helpful changes very fast when alphas of KDE 4 started showing up performance issues in some previously rarely-used features, but AMD has done rather better by actually providing documentation to freedesktop people (even if ATI never maintained their own binary driver very well at all).
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Damn, my RAM is full of llamas.
It's Microsoft's fault. They have now, single handedly, broken their own market. No longer do we need to upgrade our PCs, or our PC graphics cards, or even our OS. No, now all we need to do is get on the bandwagon and buy an XBox console, which has a lifespan of about 5 years.
So instead of spending $2,000+ on a PC with a $400+ graphics card (every two years) and a new OS every 5 years, now we just spend $400 and buy a bunch of games at $50 to $60 dollars a pop.
Hmm, I wonder how that worked out business wise? Let's dwell on that...
1. Major PC vendors markets: Dell, HP, Sony, Lenovo, Gateway, etc? Destroyed. Now they end up selling a bunch of low-end netbooks and cheap $500 PCs, enough for browsing the web, watching videos, listening to music, etc.
2. High end $400+ video graphic cards market from nVidia and AMT/ATI. Destroyed. Nope, who needs a video card that a game doesn't use. After all, all games are now made for consoles, and the consoles are all over 4 years old!
3. 64 bit multi-core computing for home? Destroyed. After all, who needs multi-core computing except for the business and science/eng/tech sectors? A 32 bit (aka 4G RAM) computer works just fine for the internet, office, and financial management of home users. Ok, some may need to edit photo's and movies, I'll grant that.
The problem is that the Microsoft business manager bean counters just didn't think the problem through. The PC gaming market was pushing the technology envelope forward, for better or worse. And all other vendors and software markets (aka the Windows eco system) benefited from those gains. Later they realized, uh oh!, we are shooting ourselves in the foot, and tried to keep it going with "Games for Windows". Little did they realize, by that time, it was all over.
I may never buy another PC, or graphics card again. Someone please explain why I should? Does the amortization of costs actually benefit us over the long run? Stuck with 4 to 5 year old console technology that does not push the envelope? Unlike some slashdotters, from a game, I want a total and absolute simulated environmenal realism. I don't just want to "play a game". I can muck around with Monopoly if I just wanted to "play a game". No I want to be emersed, as if I have been taken to another world. Games must be worth my time, not just something to fidget around with while I'm bored. I want photo-realism, possibly ray traced real time graphics, with true weather and environmental sounds. That's the goal I "was" chasing. That "was" the goal I was helping by buying the latest and greatest tech. But now, Microsoft has just killed that goal for me.
Side note: It seems all vendors of all types now from cell phones, to PC hardware and software, are all hell bent on getting every living being on the planet on some kind of subscription service. To that I say "One Time Cost" is better than the "Recurring Cost" model.
In holland CE Edition of Dragon Age PC cost me less from Bart Smith Online then the console version.
Oh and I got better graphics.
And modding tools.
And mods.
But sure, you go play with your console, you posting this from anyone of them? Oh, so you need a PC AND a console? I only need a PC.
MMO Quests are like orgasms:
You may solo them, I prefer them in a group.