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Bing Gains 10% Marketshare

samzbest writes "According to ComScore's qSearch, Microsoft's retaliation against Google search, Bing, has gained significant market share, now facilitating close to 10% of US searches. That's a gain of two large points in five months."

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  1. Is it trickery? by Joce640k · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Are they only counting the places where people go to the page and do a search or are they counting all the 'embedded' searches which are snuck into other apps like IE and Windows Live to boost numbers?

    Thought so.

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    1. Re:Is it trickery? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Google search is embedded into a hojillion websites as well as having browser plugins / toolbars for pretty much every browser. If "embedded searches" are counted it'll probably be to Google's advantage.

      (I'm not saying that the study isn't trickery. I wouldn't know either way.)

    2. Re:Is it trickery? by jonadab · · Score: 5, Insightful

      > Are they only counting the places where people go
      > to the page and do a search or are they counting
      > all the 'embedded' searches which are snuck into
      > other apps like IE and Windows Live to boost numbers?

      Don't be an idiot. This is Bing we're talking about, not Yahoo. Do you really think 10% of people go to it on purpose? Outside of extreme geekdom, nobody's even heard of it yet.

      Basically what this means is IE8 has, mostly as a result of automatic updates, reached about 10% market share among people who think the browser's location bar is a search box and haven't bothered to express an opinion about what search engine it should use. IE8 ships with "Live Search", alias Bing, as the default; IE6 and IE7 used MSN Search as their default, so what we're seeing here is mostly new-version uptake.

      There are also a few geeks using it on purpose to try it out, but even if 100% of the slashdot-reading population did that it wouldn't be anywhere near 1% market share, let alone 10%. And the single most popular search engine among the slashdot-reading geekdom is almost certainly still Google at this point.

      No, the bulk of the 10% we're talking about here consists of people using the IE8 UI.

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    3. Re:Is it trickery? by MyLongNickName · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I don't think Microsoft sponsored this article. I believe it just one of many periodic reports on search provider market share.

      And personally, I don't think Bing is crap. It actually has some innovative features. I just don't have any incentive to switch from Google, especially with gmail and personalized home pages.

      Would you care to tell me why you think Bing is a "piece of crap"?

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    4. Re:Is it trickery? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      microsoft is making themselves better and more productive? LOL I seriously hope you are joking. Bing is still very skewed to show positive results for things that MS is interested in gaining marketshare from.

      I really doubt it. I just did a search for "virtual machines". Something that Microsoft would dearly love to increase its market share in. The first result was a Wikipedia article. The second was VMWare, the third was from Sun, and the 4th was Virtual PC. If they were being biased, don't you think that they would put their product 1st?

      Same thing with doing a search for "database servers". On Bing the first result to an actual product is the 5th entry and it's for MySQL. On Google, the first result to an actual product is the 4th entry and it's for Microsoft SQL server.

      I could go on, but the reality is the reality is that Bing isn't that bad and no more biased to any of Microsoft's stuff then Google is.

    5. Re:Is it trickery? by h4rm0ny · · Score: 4, Funny

      If there is nothing wrong with evil then what is "wrong"?

      People who dress up little dogs in funny outfits. Definitely.

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  2. Being the new default doesn't hurt either by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It probably doesn't hurt that IE 8 updates make Bing the default search engine if you go the 'express' route. Even adding google as a search provider is weird - you can't just select it, you have to go to a web page and download the search engine provider package or whatever.

    1. Re:Being the new default doesn't hurt either by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      I recently installed the Google search provider in IE8. Not only did I have to "Find More Providers", but Google was hidden on the second page of the default list and mislabeled as "Google Search Suggestions". Accidents.

    2. Re:Being the new default doesn't hurt either by jefu · · Score: 4, Informative

      I had the same experience - it took some digging to figure out how to make Google the default search provider, and there were several Googles listed on the page where Google eventually showed up and no good information on which to choose. Worse yet, I was in the process of installing Windows 7 and it decided to install updates after I'd done this, and somehow managed to reset the default search provider to Bing in one of those.

  3. MSN/Live had about the same market share before by guruevi · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's not really news. Bing is just a rebranding of MSN Search. In June 2007, MSN had a spike of 16% market share (http://blog.compete.com/2007/07/09/june-search-share-msn-live-google-yahoo-ask/). Given the huge marketing behind Bing as well as the conversion of practically all search engines on every site that has anything to do with Microsoft, I would say, meh, no big deal.

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    1. Re:MSN/Live had about the same market share before by dingen · · Score: 5, Informative

      Sure they did some work on creating Bing, but even so it did replace both MSN Search and Live Search. So it really is no surprise at all that Bing has about the same market share than those combined.

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  4. Shocked by whisper_jeff · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'm shocked - *SHOCKED* - I tell ya. I find it hard to believe that ComScore would report such a thing.

    Yes, I know the numbers may be valid but when a company is reporting on another company, with whom they are partnered, I find it hard to invest any credibility in the report.

    1. Re:Shocked by Ant+P. · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I find it hilarious that - even with the obvious money-under-the-table bias, even with the fact it's shoved in every IE user's face by default (and the fact changing the default on that is deliberately hard and confusing), they can still only get 10%.

  5. The Deal Seekers Are Probably Partly Responsible by eldavojohn · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Go ahead, you can probably blame some of this on me -- and people like me. I was in the market for an XBox 360 Arcade (with intent to add a HDD on my own) and had found through slick deals mention that if you went to bing and searched for Dell and clicked on the cashback link you could get an XBox 360 Arcade for 15%-30% off depending on when you do it.

    Now, from what I read, your mileage may vary. Meaning you got anywhere from $20 to $30 off the price but you still paid $200. It was just recredited to your paypal account. It happened/happens with other large retailers like Amazon so I found myself periodically using Bing to squeeze 10% off a purchase here or there ... or even just hitting it up every couple days to see what I could find. Kept with Google on my other searches (Firefox and Chrome still put me through the same default search engine). But for a while, my desire to save a couple bucks probably pushed up Bing's marketshare. I can't help it, I blame my overly frugal parents.

    I'm not sure how this was orchestrated. I mean, I thought commodities like DVDs and CDs and XBoxes were already shaven down to the some of the lowest prices online ... so what happened and who is giving me the money back? Is it Microsoft putting ad dollars to hard work for Bing or the retailer giving up some more profit margin in exchange for moving product? If anyone could shed light on how I was able to get better deals on -- sometimes any -- products on Amazon by first going through Bing, I'd appreciate it. And this isn't like a few pennies click through ad revenue, this is like tens of dollars across several purchases. Am I really that inept at how the world works to not figure this out?

    So in the end, I apologize for causing all that cancer. You are correct to direct your slurs at me but I assure you that as soon as those deals dry up I will stop using Bing.

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  6. Market Share Gains by TheFlannelAvenger · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I've been seeing a lot of machines lately with the Bing Toolbar installed, and the client having no idea how it got there. Automated updates on a Windows machine are nice, but sometimes you get the latest helpful tool bar offering along with it. Sun Java, Adobe Flash, etc. often offer tool bars and other goodies that although are not harmful, might be unwanted. I'm not sure how much this would skew actual results, but it has to count for a few points of market share and larger reported install base of tool bars and hence search engine use.

  7. I'm not sure I believe those numbers by CoffeePlease · · Score: 5, Interesting

    When I look at AWstats for my site:
    Google 18020 pages (linked to from Google)
    Google (Images) 976 pages
    Bing 226 pages


    And from Google Analytics:
    Top traffic sources:
    Google 26,738 visits 85.24%
    Yahoo 676 visits 2.16%
    Bing 346 visits 1.10%
    Admittedly the site is not about shopping or entertainment - it's mainly about technical topics which maybe colors the results.

    1. Re:I'm not sure I believe those numbers by lawnjam · · Score: 4, Informative

      I have a slightly fairer comparison which excludes relative rankings.

      If you search for the name of my shop, Hannah Zakari, my website is the first result on every major search engine (I've just tried google, yahoo, bing, ask, search.com and baidu)

      People who have searched for "Hannah Zakari" in the past 30 days came from the following search engines:
      1. google 95.86%
      2. bing 1.60%
      3. yahoo 1.35%
      4. aol 0.75%
      5. search 0.30%

      The same period last year looked like this:
      1. google 92.77%
      2. live 2.95%
      3. yahoo 2.09%
      4. search 1.52%
      5. aol 0.57%

      The site is UK based, so this will be a geographically limited sample, but I'm not seeing a massive surge in Bing-age.

  8. Well...it's my homepage anyway by mccalli · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Everyone is speaking of trickery to get the users. I switched my homepage over by choice - and I'm a Mac Safari user.

    Reason? Much against my expectation, I found I liked the daily pictures rather than the blank of Google. I fully expected to prefer the clean look of Google (after all, it was that rather than quality of results which made me move from Alta Vista to Google many years ago.) but instead I found it was time for a change and I like the different appearance and the tagging they do I find interesting.

    Search quality results - variable. Some good, some not so. It's no effort to just click the search box top-right and start using Google instead however, so effectively by having Bing as the homepage with a quickly accessible Google search I've got quick access to two potential sets of results.

    So yes, I switched over for the pretty pictures. Yes, that's a shallow reason. It's doing no harm however, and I like it.

    Cheers,
    Ian

  9. Re:Who would've though? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Plus, it is a recursive acronym. BING: Bing Is Not Google.

  10. Surprising... by Gription · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It is amazing how a simple campaign of drive-by installs and default check boxes that change your search provider can increase your market share!!!

    1. Re:Surprising... by MrNaz · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yea, because Google's idiotic toolbar being bundled with everything from the end user Java VM to Adobe PDF Reader is so different a tactic.

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    2. Re:Surprising... by gstoddart · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Yea, because Google's idiotic toolbar being bundled with everything from the end user Java VM to Adobe PDF Reader is so different a tactic.

      Well, MS is pushing out updates via OS updates.

      I discovered the other day that IE on my XP box had suddenly decided that Bing was its default search engine, despite the fact that I'd previously set it to be Google.

      I'm not saying I agree any more with the bundling of such things when you install other software (I don't), but Microsoft has an even more privileged access to my system in that they can push updates and I don't even get asked (other than agreeing to a cumulative security update with a long number and no real explanation). I certainly wasn't asked if IE could change its default search engine or to become the default browser (which has happened on occasion).

      I have no doubt that a significant amount of their new-found market share was automatically set for users without their knowledge.

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  11. Re:Mod parent up or I curse thee by rattaroaz · · Score: 5, Funny

    So you are saying Microsoft is leveraging an existing monopoly to force their way into other markets. Wow, that's pretty clever, and certainly innovative on their part. Surprised they didn't try that earlier.

  12. Re:Bigger marketshare than desktop Linux by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 4, Funny

    can I get this analogy in a term I can understand? Like perhaps Cars per Library of Congress?

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  13. What the...seriously? by Pojut · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Seriously? I don't personally know anyone that uses Bing, and I even know a few people that aren't even aware of its existence.

    I know that who I kow is a very small slice of "everyone", but still...where are these legions of people using Bing? Could the fact that many Windows Mobile phones use Bing as their default search engine be contributing to this number?

  14. Re:Who would've though? by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Wow, I always thought BING was one of those geek recursive acronyms: Bing Is Not Google

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  15. Re:The Deal Seekers Are Probably Partly Responsibl by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Funny story on this one. I was talking to someone about Bing Cashback and so he went to bing and tried to navigate the site and find information about the cashback program. However, he couldn't find anything. We tried using the search and the site navigation, and it was nowhere. I knew I had seen the main cashback page, and simply said to just Google it instead. So, yes that's right, he had to Google Bing (and it was the very first result). I think that is an indication of a search engine failing when you have to use another search to even find it.

  16. Bing is fine, except one thing... by ByzantineAlex · · Score: 4, Interesting
    • So many people have such a blinding hate for everything Microsoft that they lose all semblance of moral and logical integrity. Therefore the argument becomes puerile, unfortunately, like many of the replies above.
    • Anyway, back to the subject: in my opinion Bing is quite good, and has some interesting qualities. Are they enough to make people leave their "google" comfort-zone ? No, not yet. There's nothing revolutionary enough. Anyway, I really wish them well - competition is always welcome.
    • Note. In my experience one area where Bing really fails badly at this time is searching for references to people. Search for instance for "bruce springsteen" (with quotes). How many hits you get ? In Google you get almost 11 mils. In Bing you get around 4.5 mils. In this case, of course, there's no difference (comparing two almost infinite numbers doesn't make sense - nobody will go past page 10 anyway), but searching for less well-known people will be something else - you'll get, say, 334 hits in Google, and 2 in Bing. Now that's a huge difference ! Some of the 334 hits in google were real hits. Search for instance for your own name, or for the names of your friends, not for "celebs". That's Bing's biggest downside right now, imho.