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Giving Touch-Screen Buttons Depth and Height With Pneumatics

blee37 writes "Researchers at Carnegie Mellon demonstrate 'popping out' touch screen buttons to become physical buttons using pneumatics. The idea is to combine the dynamic reconfigurability of touch screen buttons with the tactile feedback of real buttons. The technology could be applied where tactile feedback is currently lacking, such as in car navigation systems, ATMs, or cell phones."

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  1. Oh no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is a BAD idea for in-car SatNav/GPS.

    Anything that might make drivers think they can set/adjust something by reaching and groping when they should be concentrating on driving will cause accidents.

    1. Re:Oh no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      As opposed to having to stare at the device.... yeah, much worse

    2. Re:Oh no... by Forge · · Score: 2, Funny

      It will be great for people who can't drive. Like the blind or those with limited vision.

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    3. Re:Oh no... by rrhal · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'm pretty sure the guy in front of me on the 520 bridge this morning was blind or of limited vision. He had his head up his ass and he sure as hell couldn't drive. Perhaps a tactile feed back GPS would help him - it wouldn't hurt.

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    4. Re:Oh no... by orgelspieler · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Actually, several of these nav systems have mode to get directions when walking about. So I don't see why it would be a bad idea to make this more accessible for blind people. Providing a touchable map of the area could prove quite useful. Also, raised buttons would let them know where to press.

  2. pistons! by cashX3r0 · · Score: 3, Funny

    so there are pistons within the cell phone of the future? batteries don't stand a chance. and then you have to oil your phone.

  3. Er by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Touch screens are nice because they can be programmed to display whatever controls you wish, but isn't the lack of moving parts another advantage? This seems like it would have MTBF issues.

    1. Re:Er by damburger · · Score: 2, Informative

      Personally, I like having tactile feedback when i press buttons - and the lack of it has kept me away from a pure touchscreen device. I bought a HTC Dream instead of an iPhone for this reason (and the fact I'm not a massive Apple fanboy)

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    2. Re:Er by LOLLinux · · Score: 2, Informative

      What moving parts? Did you even bother to read the article? The screen just has a bunch of air pockets inside that react to positive or negative pressure changes within the screen.

    3. Re:Er by Garble+Snarky · · Score: 2, Informative

      "An air chamber behind the backing can be pressurized or depressurized using pneumatic technology, in this case fan-based pumps."

      Fans generally move.

  4. Why Not... by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Just make buttons that have a touch screen on them, thus you still have the scroll-ability and versatility of a touch screen, combined with the tacticle feedback of buttons when you want things to function like a button...

    Or am I completely missing the point?

    1. Re:Why Not... by cashX3r0 · · Score: 2, Funny

      missing the point. the object here is to have balloons in your phone that can fill up and deflate. this way when you let your baby girl play with your phone, she scratches at the 'button' until it pops.

    2. Re:Why Not... by maxume · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The assembly of something with 15 buttons using the linked idea would probably be quite a lot cheaper than the assembly of 15 separate buttons, and the electronics to drive it would probably be simpler.

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  5. Visual feedback by Enderandrew · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I assumed I'd have issue with the touch keyboard on the iPhone. However, when I press a key, that key is highlighted and enlarges. I receive visual feedback of the key I pressed, even if I don't have physical feedback. Yes, it requires I look when I text, but I can't imagine many scenarios where I'd really ever text without looking just because there was some physical feedback.

    I'll take the lack of moving parts over the physical feedback, especially given how often I've dropped my phone.

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    1. Re:Visual feedback by fridaynightsmoke · · Score: 3, Informative

      Doesn't the iPhone vibrate slightly when it registers a 'touch'? My Nokia 5800 does that as standard, which is surprisingly useful as feedback. I would be surprised if the iPhone doesn't.

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  6. Pricetag? Reliability? by courteaudotbiz · · Score: 3, Interesting

    And what would be the actual pricetag of such a device? I understand that we use more and more electronics to simplify the mechanics behind our devices. Now, with a pump, you need to physically inject air under the screen, so you have moving parts, and they are usually costly... besides, what would be the reliability of such a thing? and could you get a "flat" screen?

  7. Having read TFA by fridaynightsmoke · · Score: 5, Funny

    I am left thinking "so what?". All they did was PROJECT graphics onto an inflatable surface, and used a camera and image recognition to determine which 'button' was being pressed.

    I think it's a bit of a stretch to describe this as a 'touch screen'; the image is projected onto the surface (which could be true for ANY surface) and the surface itself does NOT detect touches. There is also no tactile feedback whatsoever. I might as well get one of those laser projection keyboards, set it up on the bonnet of my car and announce that I've made a "self-propelling air-conditioned touchscreen that seats four".

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  8. Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Weren't touch-screens the latest rage because.. you didn't have to.. push... buttons?

  9. ONE WORD: by Philip+K+Dickhead · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "Nipples"

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    1. Re:ONE WORD: by oldspewey · · Score: 2, Informative

      If you're that excited by the idea of simulated nipples, there are already numerous options out there to satisfy you.

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    2. Re:ONE WORD: by foobsr · · Score: 4, Interesting

      "Nipples"

      Quote:"PhotoelasticTouch is a tabletop system designed to facilitate touch-based interaction with real objects made from transparent elastic material. The elastic material provides a realistic haptic interface, which when combined with the visual content displayed on the LCD tabletop, enables a coupling of the physical world and digital content. The system utilizes the photoelastic properties of transparent rubber to detect when a user pushes, pulls, or pinches the object, while the LCD provides appropriate visual feedback in accordance with the stress applied to the rubber."

      Well.

      CC.

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    3. Re:ONE WORD: by F34nor · · Score: 2

      I musician I knew loved the Nord Lead II synth because the knobs felt like "Nipples."

    4. Re:ONE WORD: by davester666 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Real nipples get more of a rise out of me...

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  10. Electroactive polymers? by Abcd1234 · · Score: 2, Informative

    I thought people were already trying to do this sort of thing using electroactive polymers. Certainly there seems to be a couple patents on the idea, not to mention someone who thinks the technology could be used to make braille-capable touchscreens.

  11. killer app by jjeffries · · Score: 5, Funny

    The killer app for this will of course be a Timex Sinclair 1000 emulator.

  12. This explains Star Trek by Shivetya · · Score: 3, Funny

    and their exploding work stations.

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    1. Re:This explains Star Trek by Tablizer · · Score: 2, Funny

      This new technology has something that even sparking Trek battles don't have: panels that actually punch you in the face.

  13. Immersion Corporation by benmonty · · Score: 2, Informative

    Immersion Corporation is a small technology company that is also providing haptic (touch) feedback for a variety of electronics, including touch screens. They have the technology to make a flat button on a touch screen feel like it is a 3-dimensional button being depressed and it isn't confined to a single configuration. Lg, Samsung, and Nokia already license Immersion's technology and mobile phones with touch feedback are already being sold in Asia. In my opinion, this latex button is a good idea but it won't catch on.

  14. Vat-grown octopus skin will make this obsolete. by jeffb+(2.718) · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Okay, maybe not octopus skin -- but in it, we have an existence proof for a surface that can display high-bandwidth color changes and slower, but quite elaborate, texture changes. With all the progress being made with microfluidics and chip-scale effectors, why on Earth would anyone pursue a chugging, hissing, thermodynamically-disadvantaged pneumatic system for this?