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UK File-Sharing Laws Unenforceable On Mobile Networks

superglaze writes "UK mobile broadband providers currently have no way of telling which subscribers are file-sharing which copyrighted content, ZDNet UK reports. This represents something of a problem for new laws that have been proposed to crack down on unlawful file-sharing. According to the article, databases (tracking IP address mappings) could be built to make it possible to identify what specific users are downloading, but the industry is loathe to fund this sort of project itself. Also, as an analyst points out in the piece, users of prepaid phone cards are mostly anonymous in the UK, which creates another challenge for the government's plans. And if that isn't enough, connection-sharing apps like JoikuBoost would make identification pretty much impossible anyway."

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  1. Wow by taucross · · Score: 2, Insightful

    They have no way of telling which subscribers are file sharing on any network - ask your local laser printer. I guess they'll just have to make do...

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    1. Re:Wow by zapakh · · Score: 4, Informative

      I guess I'm not sure what you want to talk to my printer about. Maybe you're alluding to some story I haven't haerd

      If I may, I believe this is about some of the DMCA takedown notices received by University of Washington from the MPAA in the summer of 2008. A few of them were directed at laser printers because researchers at the university pulled some tricks with IP addresses in an attempt to prove that, no, they really don't tell you about identity and, no, the MPAA doesn't care.

      http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/06/05/the-inexact-science-behind-dmca-takedown-notices/
      http://www.boingboing.net/2008/06/05/entertainment-indust-1.html

      I don't know if any changes have been made in response to the embarrassment, nor whether the embarrassment has even been acknowledged as such.

  2. Of Course... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Anybody who plans on running bittorrent over a prepaid mobile connection is either going to pirate very small files, or end up paying rather more than retail for them...

    1. Re:Of Course... by RobVB · · Score: 4, Funny

      end up paying rather more than retail for them...

      You can't put a price on freedom!

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    2. Re:Of Course... by commodore64_love · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Back in the 1980s people used to charge their long-distance calls for downloading pirated games to other people's calling cards. Perhaps something similar is being done with downloading over cellular dialup/phones?

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  3. Or it would go the other way by plover · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sharing your connection using Joiku with a file-sharing felon might tar you with the same brush. 3 strikes and you're all out.

    Due process? We flushed that crap down the toilet years ago.

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    1. Re:Or it would go the other way by denis-The-menace · · Score: 3, Insightful

      All bow to the outdated business model that is the music business of the 50-90s.

      Profits from this *MUST* be protected at the cost of freedom, privacy and progress. /sarcasm (in case of "whoosh")

      Amazing what bribes from robber barons can do to otherwise respectable politicians.

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    2. Re:Or it would go the other way by PitaBred · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Otherwise respectable? Wasn't the guy who pushed this shit through removed from two elected positions for corruption, and now only holds an appointed position?

    3. Re:Or it would go the other way by julesh · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Wasn't the guy who pushed this shit through removed from two elected positions for corruption, and now only holds an appointed position?

      "Removed for corruption" is perhaps overstating the matter. The first time he resigned because he'd failed to declare an interest that should have been on the public record (although he hadn't actually been personally involved in any decisions where there would be a conflict of interest, his department was handling such a decision). The second time he resigned again, but an independent enquiry cleared him of any impropriety.

  4. Bill the record industry by Hatta · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If the record industry wants this data, they can pay for its collection.

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    1. Re:Bill the record industry by BSAtHome · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So, you are willing to give them investigatory powers. Time to make encryption mandatory then.

    2. Re:Bill the record industry by BSAtHome · · Score: 2, Insightful

      But then, who will be next in line with a big pocket to pay for data and ask the gov for policing some communication. Remember Phorm? Do we /want/ a society where your communication is eavesdropped? That is a trademark of oppressive regimes. It really does not matter whether the ISP is the middleman. No data should be intercepted unless a court-order is provided.

  5. Retarded by BlackCreek · · Score: 3, Informative

    Outright retarded article... Mobile data fees are so expensive that this whole story it makes no sense whatsoever

    I've seen plenty of slow news days here where kdawson decided to publish non-sense, but this is a new low.

  6. Telling users how to get away with piracy? by syousef · · Score: 2, Funny

    Who hijacked slashdot for this "story"? Is the slashdot torrent tracker next? I guess it's not too far a stretch. Instead of 100 inane "frist post" comments they're all be converted to "Please seed" instead. Instead of flamewars about Apple, Microsoft, or Google, we can all start flames about the torrents containing viruses or whose torrent of the latest 0 dayz warez is better than whose. Welcome to the new slashdot. Not so different to the old!

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    1. Re:Telling users how to get away with piracy? by mdwh2 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Citation where GPL authors have behaved in a manner like the OP talked about, please?

      And even if we did return to 14 years for copyright, including for GPL, I don't see why that's a problem. Yeah, it means that someone will be able to use and modify a 1995 Linux without distributing the source - OMG!

  7. Root Conflict by headkase · · Score: 2, Interesting

    There is a book called, The Public Domain written by a professor of law from the Duke Law School. You can download an electronic version legally and for free from that link. It outlines the conflicts facing areas of creativity like the arts and sciences and explains the history of how it came to be so enclosed. It also does not pull any punches, it supports industry where deserved and advocates Citizen interests where right. It certainly is a lot better than my rants and raves when I scream: I Want My Public Domain ! Although he has more reasons to be tactful than I. Inform yourself, read the free book. I am and once I'm done I'm going to go read some Pirate Party propaganda to see if it is compatible with the good professor.

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  8. Ban anonymous prepaid by nurb432 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    And require all devices to be registered, with clients shimmed into your ip stack being required to access anything online. This is where it will end up. Everyone will be running something like the old netzero client .. ack.

    Remember only terrorists and pirates want to be anonymous... You have nothing to hide.. do you ?

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  9. Re:Errr Radius Authentication by Spad · · Score: 3, Informative

    And lose a *huge* chunk of their revenue. According to Ofcom 55% of mobile phones in the UK are pre-paid or PAYG (Look under the "Telecoms" section).

  10. Re:The wonders of NAT by Verdatum · · Score: 2, Informative

    And this will stop being true for LTE (4g). Since the handset acts as a server for certain communications, it requires at least one dedicated IP address per active subscriber. Mobile File-sharing won't be a major issue until 4G proliferates anyway.

  11. Re:What about the isp? by santax · · Score: 2, Insightful

    In the Netherlands (for now) it's legal to copy music to your cd's (due to levy indeed), it is also still legal to download music/movies from the internet. We can't share it online. But it is legal to borrow a cd to a friend for him to copy on a blanc cd. But after they (music-mafia) have reaped the millions and millions of euro's for many years in a time no-one uses blanc cd's for music anymore they wanted to change the rules. And they did. Lol. There is only 1 explanation for this. The lobby is paying the politicians well. It's just insane that we pay for airwaves. Before we know it we'll be paying for the right the breath that same air. I am sorry. I am upset about all these things they are trying to make illegal. It's like they want us all to be criminals. If we aren't criminals they will pass a law that will turn us into one. According to the law. It's just insane. I have no way how I can explain all of this to my kids without them looking at me and saying... but dad, I thought we won the war against the Germans. (my 9 y.o. actually said that)

  12. Re:What about the isp? by mdwh2 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Here in the UK, you don't have a right to use the mp3, even if you do own the CD.

    Unless you're Lily Allen, making a "mix tape" of copyrighted material - then it's okay. Even if you fileshare it to push your own career.

  13. Lord Mandelson's response by Kupfernigk · · Score: 2, Funny
    The Government loves Rupert Murdoch and the media companies - I must kill filesharers! But the Government loves Vodafone, O2 and Three - I must protect the revenue of the telephone companies! There is a conflict in my Prime Directive!

    Head explodes.

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