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Tag Images With Your Mind

blee37 writes "Researchers at Microsoft have invented a system for tagging images by reading brain scans from an electroencephalograph (EEG). Tagging images is an important task because many images on the web are unlabeled and have no semantic information. This new method allows an appropriate tag to be generated by an AI algorithm interpreting the EEG scan of a person's brain while they view an image. The person need only view the image for as little as 500 ms. Other current methods for generating tags include flat out paying people to do it manually, putting the task on Amazon Mechanical Turk, or using Google Image Labeler."

64 comments

  1. Looks Good on Paper... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Honestly this is nice, but seriously if my mind was tagging my images there would be something like the following list of tags
    idhitit, awesome,ohgod, thehelliswrongwithme, whydidisavethisagain, ohthatswhy, shit, wallpaper, and photoshop
    and that's just keeping it within PG-13.

    1. Re:Looks Good on Paper... by dominious · · Score: 2, Funny

      if my mind was tagging my images there would be something like:

      porn

    2. Re:Looks Good on Paper... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      So you frequent 4chans /b/, eh?

    3. Re:Looks Good on Paper... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you frequent 4chans /b/, eh?

      YOU BROKE RULES 1 & 2 DAMN YOU!

    4. Re:Looks Good on Paper... by ubrgeek · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Wonder if it might make Fukung funny again.

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    5. Re:Looks Good on Paper... by MrKaos · · Score: 1

      idhitit, awesome,ohgod, thehelliswrongwithme, whydidisavethisagain, ohthatswhy, shit, wallpaper, and photoshop

      I wonder what Steve Ballmer would think seeing a picture of him throwing a chair.

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  2. I mentally tagged this as MenWhoStateAtGoats by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It didn't take, though. What gives?

    1. Re:I mentally tagged this as MenWhoStateAtGoats by camperslo · · Score: 2, Funny

      My Steve Ballmer pictures keep coming up as "best used as cat food"

    2. Re:I mentally tagged this as MenWhoStateAtGoats by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      More importantly, what are they stating at goats?

    3. Re:I mentally tagged this as MenWhoStateAtGoats by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Funny, my Steve Ballmer pictures keep coming up as "do not hire in a chairs factory".

    4. Re:I mentally tagged this as MenWhoStateAtGoats by bluesatin · · Score: 1

      I don't know about that, I'm sure it'd be better product testing than them automated machines you see in IKEA.

  3. What can go wrong? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    No really what can go wrong with using your inconscient animal nature to tag every photo with a (decent) girl in bikini as "To Do"

    1. Re:What can go wrong? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      or, after you got married, those photos turn up as 'been there, done that'

    2. Re:What can go wrong? by TropicalCoder · · Score: 1

      Using an EEG scan of a person's brain while they view an image could yield very different results for an image of a naked woman depending on the viewer's sex or sexual persuasion. Also, for images of objects and images of people in general - each viewer would have a different set of associations for a given image. For example, imagine the EEG of a person with arachnophobia when presented with a picture of a spider, etc.

  4. Interesting, but needs a lot of work by Shrike82 · · Score: 1
    From the summary:

    This new method allows an appropriate tag to be generated by an AI algorithm interpreting the EEG scan of a person's brain while they view an image.

    That's true, as long as "appropriate" means it was either X or Y, as the system really only works on discriminating between things like "a face" and "not a face". It's an interesting piece of research, sure, but it sure as hell won't replace good old fashioned tagging using a keyboard.

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  5. Have to be picky about your subjects by RandomFactor · · Score: 1

    One can imagine a system that tags images by reading your mind as you surf the web. If Google Image Search needed to tag an image, it could just pop it up in a window for 500 ms and read your thoughts to get the tag.

    Wouldn't work with teenage males for example....

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  6. Bwahahahahaa by NoYob · · Score: 1
    Yes, Microsoft can read your minds now! Next year, you'll have to plug this device in and wear it to run Windows.

    MSFT: "Is his Windows and Office license legit? Let's read his mind and find out."

    "Does he also run Linux?"
    "Yep. Crank up up the juice and reprogram him."

    The other thing I'd like mention, being only on my second cup this morning, those guys in the graphic when looked at quickly looked like they were wearing thigh high stockings.

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    1. Re:Bwahahahahaa by Jojoba86 · · Score: 1

      The other thing I'd like mention, being only on my second cup this morning, those guys in the graphic when looked at quickly looked like they were wearing thigh high stockings.

      I thought the same and yet the image isn't tagged as such. Clearly vaporware then.

    2. Re:Bwahahahahaa by smitty777 · · Score: 1

      They're not gettin' their mind probes through my freakin tin foil barrier

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  7. it works great! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i just tagged this story with my mind
    double the killer delete select all

  8. Cool! by Rik+Sweeney · · Score: 2, Funny

    Just don't let Rorschach tag any images of ink blot tests.

  9. Foo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Using an EEG? Amateurs. They should be making and using a direct neural interface :)

  10. Boobs boobs boobs by erroneus · · Score: 2, Funny

    Microsoft, be warned. Some people have a limited scope in terms of what they are thinking about at any given time.

    1. Re:Boobs boobs boobs by ozbird · · Score: 1

      Microsoft, be warned. Some people have a limited scope in terms of what they are thinking about at any given time.

      I think they know that already. "Developers developers developers!"

  11. And the world gets creepier. by billsayswow · · Score: 0

    Now you'll be able to see every bizarre thing that at least someone in the world finds attractive. "[Picture of the Grand Canyon] 17% of viewers found this image 'Sexy'"

  12. Connecting an EEG reader to the Internet... by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

    ...what could possibly go wrong? ^^

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    1. Re:Connecting an EEG reader to the Internet... by CharlyFoxtrot · · Score: 1

      We could make registering minimal brain activity a requirement to access the internet, that should cut net population by about 90%.

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  13. Oh Microsoft... by yttrstein · · Score: 1

    An EEG is not the same thing as a "brain scan". An EEG is an analog point to point system which is very good at "reading" the parts of the generalized electrical field that reaches the scalp from the brain. Using EEG output to control stuff is a fun sideline which is almost exactly as old as EEG technology itself.

    It doesn't work very well, and it very probably never will. The variance in electrical activity in the brain between two people receiving the same sensory input is, in an average way, too great to be useful.

    Once someone comes up with a way to shrink an MRI machine to the size of a quarter that you just stick to your forehead and talks bluetooth to all your devices, then we'll be ok.

    1. Re:Oh Microsoft... by smitty777 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually, the variance isn't the problem. That comes out statistically in the wash - you can see that with a large enough N, patterns emerge across the different stimuli types, which allows them to do the tagging. The real problem is interpreting the complex interactions between the different regions of the brain. However, that doesn't really matter for an experiment like this, as the patterns don't actually need to be interpreted, just recognized by the algorithm. It's a similar concept to the way the MMPI psychological test was developed, in some ways.

      It's funny, the MS team doesn't seem to even recognize this. FTA: "and scientists’ currently weak ability to interpret what brain scans mean.

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    2. Re:Oh Microsoft... by TheLink · · Score: 1

      > The variance in electrical activity in the brain between two people receiving the same sensory input is, in an average way, too great to be useful.

      You shouldn't directly use the "thought pattern" of a person to tag the data.

      As you said, the thought patterns are likely to be different from person to person.

      What you do though is, for each tagging participant, you get the person's thought patterns for a whole bunch of tags.

      Then they can tag stuff really quickly just by looking at them. The advanced people might be able to manage multi-tags with a single thought pattern.

      Lastly, I don't think you necessarily have to use a thought pattern that's related to the object.

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  14. Offtopic (-1) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why does Microsoft throw money at such research topics -- which seem never to reach their products -- when they also could use the money to improve their software? If they continue like this, they may be researching the evolution of flying chairs in a few years...

  15. Re:X or Y by TaoPhoenix · · Score: 1

    You're not fast enough.

    Get it to play 20 questions for you.
    "Person/NotPerson ... Place/Thing ... StaplesButton/DolphinPanicButton"

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  16. I was tagging that image, honest! by noidentity · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Honey, I wasn't looking at her breasts; I was just tagging the image using Microsoft's new mind tagging, honest!

  17. I don't see it as innovative by TheLink · · Score: 1

    It's not going to replace keyboard tagging now.

    But in the future more advanced versions might.

    Then you could use "thought macros" to control wearable computers.

    The measurements of thought patterns are likely to be specific to each person. So devices that use thought input would have to be trained.

    But after that, you could be thinking of stuff like "purple green striped elephant" as the escape sequence to tell the computer to start listening in and doing stuff based on the thought patterns it recognizes (which could include: take a picture of this, and associate it with this current thought pattern). You then use a different unique thought pattern to get it to stop (or press a manual button if stuff screws up :) ).

    Then whenever you think of a thought pattern the picture or other computer memorized object (audio, url, file) will be recalled.

    I have long considered this as the next step in augmenting humans.

    Once you have that, people will have perfect photographic, "videographic" and "audiographic" memory, and be capable of "virtual telepathy" e.g. communicate with others just by thinking (which is trivial obvious step once you combine the thought macro stuff with wireless comms).

    The problem people have to realize is the MPAA, RIAA, DRM and restrictive copyright laws will get in the way of such augmentation. It will either be crippled, prohibited or taxed severely.

    They may not be happy with just a "penny for your thoughts", especially if they have got the law to consider it as "their thoughts" and their property, and not yours.

    p.s. I don't see this development as "innovative", since I consider it a rather obvious step (along with the other rather obvious steps I've mentioned in this post), but I'm sure it's probably patented etc ;).

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    1. Re:I don't see it as innovative by TheLink · · Score: 1

      Oh yah, in case it wasn't obvious, virtual telekinesis is also part of the human augmentation I'm talking about.

      Thinking of something could cause your wearable computer to perform an action. Which could include visiting a "favorite" url (which could result in turning the lights on or off, or setting the temperature of the airconditioning etc). Or running a script/program.

      FWIW, I'm not sure how many would bother to take the trouble to train their wearable (and their minds[1]) to "virtually type" stuff quickly. If most don't, keyboards may still remain popular (and some people might have hard to distinguish thought patterns).

      [1] They need to think up many unique thought macros and be able to remember them and "rethink" them quickly in order to type and _edit_ fast.

      For quick "typing" you'd need a macro for each common word. It may be just the thought of the word itself, so not as tedious as thinking up new outlandish stuff - but you still need to spend time associating them.

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    2. Re:I don't see it as innovative by bluesatin · · Score: 1

      Then you could use "thought macros" to control wearable computers.

      What, like this product?

    3. Re:I don't see it as innovative by TheLink · · Score: 1

      Yep. The tech is getting there. Very slowly though IMO.

      But in the near future I think the legal crap will be the thing that is slowing progress.

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  18. Fun and Easy to Use by smitty777 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This is typical of MS -thinking that something like this would be easy for the average user. FTA: "However, the mind reading approach has the advantage that it does not require any work at all from the user."

    So, in order to use this sytem, we should all strap on EEG caps while we're surfing the web. Sounds real practical to me - I used to work in an EEG lab, and I can tell you that those caps are pretty uncomfortable to wear. After they put them on, you stick these little needles into the leads and squirt conductive goop on your scalp. It takes a few cycles to rinse that stuff out too.

    Way to go MS for making productivity so much easier.

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    1. Re:Fun and Easy to Use by should_be_linear · · Score: 1

      Still, it is improvement from Outlook.

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    2. Re:Fun and Easy to Use by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Um, yeah, because clearly they're planning to ship this with every copy of windows and include one of those EEG caps with it.

      Oh wait, they're not as stupid as you think, so obviously they're going to go another way.

    3. Re:Fun and Easy to Use by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not to mention novel stimuli.
      http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=eeg+novel+stimuli&hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&hs=H3h&um=1&ie=UTF-8&oi=scholart

    4. Re:Fun and Easy to Use by Tim+C · · Score: 1

      You used to work in a lab, so you ought to be familiar with how research works, and how often it produces actual products.

      Forget the practicalities of people doing this in their homes; in principle, I think it's pretty damn cool.

    5. Re:Fun and Easy to Use by jpmorgan · · Score: 1

      And as we all know, no technology that was slightly inconvenient in a lab has ever had any value or practical use.

    6. Re:Fun and Easy to Use by DynaSoar · · Score: 3, Informative

      I used to work in an EEG lab, and I can tell you that those caps are pretty uncomfortable to wear. After they put them on, you stick these little needles into the leads and squirt conductive goop on your scalp. It takes a few cycles to rinse that stuff out too.

      Smitty, we've come a long way from those caps. There are now "caps" that are essentially nets of elastic cord with plastic cups containing pieces of sponge in them, the electrodes embedded in the sponge. Dip it in mild salt water for conduction, shake it out so there's no drips running together bridging the electrode sites, and pull it on. I could get good signal on 128 channels in less than 10 minutes from the time they walked in to data collection start.

      There is also a European company selling a similar get up, but the preamps are built into the cups on the net, making impedance matching irrelevant and signal balancing automatic on the fly. These are so stable that they can be used ambulatory.

      And nobody ever has to get goop or glue stuck on/into them any more.

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    7. Re:Fun and Easy to Use by smitty777 · · Score: 1

      ORLY?? So tell me what technology they're going to use out of all EEG reading options out there?

      I'm certainly not discounting the research. I think the real contribution is that they found an interesting real world application for these patterns. But really, it's not as groundbreaking as the article lets on. I was studying the patterns of evoked potentials way back in '89, my friend.

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    8. Re:Fun and Easy to Use by bar-agent · · Score: 1

      Hell, they've got EEG game controllers now.

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  19. Oh that what the internet needs more of! by Interoperable · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Tags.

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  20. MI|CROSOFT BRAIN HELMET by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 1

    It itches when you scroll.

    It refuses to tag images of money, "evil".

    I hear Apple has a multitouch brain helmet in the works! They say you'll never take it off!

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  21. no semantic information? Ahem *cough* by davidwr · · Score: 3, Insightful

    unlabeled and have no computer-readable semantic information.

    There, fixed that for you.

    Seriously, the old saying "an image is worth 1,000 words" implies that images frequently have semantic information, at least in the sense that anything on paper can have semantic information. It's just that computers can't parse it, catalog it, search on it, etc. Not well, anyways, not yet. They are getting there though.

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    1. Re:no semantic information? Ahem *cough* by Eevee · · Score: 1

      Except it's not an old saying, it's advertising copy from back in the 1920s that was falsely attributed to ancient Japanese/Chinese philosophers (yes, it flip-flops between ads) to make it sound more impressive. And the point behind this saying? It's to get people to buy advertising campaigns involving images--which bring in more revenue for the advertising firm.

  22. Terminology Police by smitty777 · · Score: 1

    Just one minor nitnoid: the title of this article should be "Tagging Images With Your Brain", not Mind. Electrical impulses are used - using the word mind implies that some conscious effort is involved. This is strictly identifying patterns using machine algorithms independent of the user's thought process.

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  23. 3-class by Metasquares · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Useful, but real-world tagging is much more specific than "person", "animal", or "inanimate". The number of classes required in the classification task is thus far greater and one would expect the accuracy to be proportionally lower. OTOH, it could be a great preprocessing step for further manual analysis, or a step in a hierarchical clustering algorithm. Or maybe 3 classes suffice for certain specific situations.

  24. Focus by mumb0.jumb0 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    What happens when I'm tagging a photo but listening to music at the same time?

    Or I run the photo tagging software in a small window and watch a movie (or some porn) instead?

    So they can create tags from brain waves, but there's no way to tell what a user is actually focussing on.

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    1. Re:Focus by DynaSoar · · Score: 1

      What happens when I'm tagging a photo but listening to music at the same time?

      Or I run the photo tagging software in a small window and watch a movie (or some porn) instead?

      So they can create tags from brain waves, but there's no way to tell what a user is actually focussing on.

      If you were in a sensory deprivation tank with the only perceptual cue the target image, you'd still have hundreds to thousands of competing cognitions boiling away, fighting for processing space on their way to awareness, few of them making it but all taking up some resources and generating some signal. But these, as well as any ongoing stimulus like music, are not locked in time with the stimulus presentation and so are random as compared to the stimuli. When processed the signal is cut at the same point compared to the stimulus and the many samples averaged to zero out the 'random' 'noise'. What's left is a good estimate of the signal. This averaging technique is very common in EEG and other electrophysiology measurements. So much so that it's built into virtually all data collection software. For a description see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evoked_potential

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  25. Deep brain? by benow · · Score: 1

    Any image that stimulates brain activity not close to the surface is unclassifiable?

  26. Cost Effective? by Flwyd · · Score: 1

    Are brain scans really so cheap that it's cheaper to set up an EEG than to pay someone in a third-world country to do it?

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  27. Am I EEG Or Not by lennier · · Score: 1

    So we'll now have automatic 'Like', 'Dislike' and 'Eeeeeeagh my visual cortex where is the brain soap' responses?

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  28. Soon we can implement a lar! by BoxedFlame · · Score: 1
  29. Integrate it with an intelligent vocabulary by chetbox · · Score: 1

    Maybe if this were integrated with an intelligent tag vocabulary, such as the one at http://annotator.imense.com/faq-annotator/, the lives of those poor people manually tagging these images can be improved. Not to mention the potential increase in accuracy.

  30. So what? by rantingkitten · · Score: 1

    Tagging images is an important task because many images on the web are unlabeled and have no semantic information.

    And yet somehow we've managed to survive. I've never really seen the point behind "tagging" much of anything. In every implementation, it just amounts to a mostly random bunch of words that a mostly random person or group thought vaguely described the item at that time. It's never been useful for finding more of the same because tags are so absurdly broad, and it's never been useful for narrowing down searches. Most of the time they're not even useful for getting vague overviews of the item.

    Right here on slashdot, tags on the front page include "!change", "social", "donotwant", and "duh". There will never be a point at which I am going to think "Gee, I'd sure like to read more stories about 'not-change'. I'll just click this tag here..." That doesn't even tell me what the story is about -- it only tells me that enough smartasses thought it was clever for some reason.

    The same pretty much applies to anything else that gets "tagged" online. It's just noise. Why does it matter?

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  31. 1920s? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dang, that's older than I thought!

  32. recaptcha-like by DriveDog · · Score: 1

    How about, with or without the brain sensors, a Recaptcha-like system where multiple people tag each photo and each person has to tag several photos, one already heavily processed and one as-yet-untagged? This might prove to be a lot more difficult for machines to do than text systems. On the other hand, if the determined spammers out there figure out how to get a machine to do it, then they've done our work and we now have a machine that can tag photos.