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Massive Badware Campaign Targets Google's "Long Tail"

A post by Cyberveillance a couple of weeks back revealed a complex black-hat operation involving Google searches leading to hundreds of thousands of bogus blogs, exploiting the "long tail" of search results and isolated from Google's auto-detection of malware sites by a shifting network of redirectors. The fake blog posts are innocuous when visited directly, but make aggressive attempts to install a fake Windows anti-virus tool (which is actually a Trojan horse) if clicked through from Google. Other search engines do not index the bogus sites. The Unmask Parasites site has a detailed two-part analysis of the badware operation, which puts some numbers on its scope: almost 688,000 bogus scareware blogs can be located in Google; some of them have upwards of 1000 posts. This analysis also reveals that a large majority of the sites hacked to host fake blogs are on the network of Servage.net. From the second Unmask Parasites link: "What we have here is millions of rogue web pages targeting the long tail of web search (millions of keywords) where each page tries to install fake (and malicious) "anti-virus" software on visitors' computers. While this black-hat campaign is active for at least 6 months, webmasters of the compromised sites and their hosting providers don't simply notice this illicit activity. The good news is Google seems to have noticed this problem. Probably thanks to the Cyveillance blog post. During the week after that post I see a steady decrease in search results returned by the queries that you can find in this post."

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  1. I don't think Google has a long tail. by Shikaku · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    But it sure does have a hell of a deep end.

  2. Yet Another Reason by causality · · Score: 3, Informative

    to use anti-tracking measures. For example, the HTTP Referrer sent by my browser always gives the site its own homepage no matter what the actual referrer would have been. I use several other measures as well (such as redirect removers) because Web sites are on a need-to-know basis and I don't recognize their need to know where I've been or how I got to their page. If I visited such a blog from Google, the blog site would not know it and it would look to the site like I just went directly to its page. I use Linux but if I were using a Windows system vulnerable to these exploits, I still would not receive the exploits. There are already abundant reasons not to give away your usage data to anyone who wants it; this just provides one more.

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    1. Re:Yet Another Reason by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Please, explain. Is this a FF addon, a custom browser, or what? 'cuz AC wants it.

    2. Re:Yet Another Reason by farlukar · · Score: 5, Informative

      With the web developer toolbar you can disable referrers.

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    3. Re:Yet Another Reason by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Meh. The best security is simplicity. That's why I use 'dumb' browsers that aren't actually smart enough to implement http refer (uzbl/surf)

    4. Re:Yet Another Reason by causality · · Score: 5, Informative

      Please, explain. Is this a FF addon, a custom browser, or what? 'cuz AC wants it.

      I use Firefox on Linux with several addons. For the HTTP Referrer, I use an addon called RefControl. I have it set to fake the referrer by default. So if I do a Google search and from the search results decide to click on http://www.someblog.com/blogs/page.html, the Web server does not receive a google.com referrer. The referrer it receives is http://www.someblog.com/. The only exceptions are certain Web sites I do business with, because this fake-referrer behavior can break some shopping carts. That particular add-on lets you specifically exempt certain sites and only those sites.

      In addition to that, I use Adblock Plus with the Element Hiding Helper and the Easyprivacy+Easylist subscription. I also use NoScript and that alone takes care of many Javascript tricks that redirect or obfuscate the actual destination of a link. I also disable so-called "HTTP PING", which can be done in Firefox under "about:config". My /etc/hosts file is 1.5MB, all of which blocks various ad servers by directing them to localhost. My machine will not accept any references to Google Analytics or various other analytics/tracking services. As a side-effect, all of this makes pages load much faster.

      When I use Google or any other search engine, all of the links in the results go directly to the actual site. It is not redirected in any way. Therefore even Google does not know which link I clicked, or whether I clicked any at all. With the measures I mentioned above, the site I visit has no idea that I got there from Google. It looks to the site like I just opened a new browser window and directly typed its URL into the Address bar no matter how I actually got there.

      I've always felt that if your business model relies on getting information about me against my will, then your business model deserves to fail. I'll add too that the actual security issue is the vulnerability of Windows browsers to what the summary describes as "aggressive attempts to install" these fake anti-virus programs. The measures I describe above do not provide real computer security -- they provide human privacy. In this case, however, they make it much harder for the sites in question to target you because their "targeting data" is based on first compromising your privacy.

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    5. Re:Yet Another Reason by fph+il+quozientatore · · Score: 1, Redundant

      For example, the HTTP Referrer sent by my browser always gives the site its own homepage no matter what the actual referrer would have been

      Want that. Is that a released add-on or did you just patch and recompile the source?

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    6. Re:Yet Another Reason by causality · · Score: 2, Informative

      For example, the HTTP Referrer sent by my browser always gives the site its own homepage no matter what the actual referrer would have been

      Want that. Is that a released add-on or did you just patch and recompile the source?

      I use the FireFox addon RefControl to handle the HTTP Referrer.

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    7. Re:Yet Another Reason by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Modded up for the information.

      Thanks.

    8. Re:Yet Another Reason by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      much thanks!

    9. Re:Yet Another Reason by Tim+C · · Score: 4, Informative

      the actual security issue is the vulnerability of Windows browsers to what the summary describes as "aggressive attempts to install" these fake anti-virus programs

      There's no vulnerability in the browser, the issue is that the site displays fake warning messages, tricking the user into downloading and installing their malware.

    10. Re:Yet Another Reason by causality · · Score: 3, Interesting

      the actual security issue is the vulnerability of Windows browsers to what the summary describes as "aggressive attempts to install" these fake anti-virus programs

      There's no vulnerability in the browser, the issue is that the site displays fake warning messages, tricking the user into downloading and installing their malware.

      I re-read the article and you are absolutely right about this. Thank you for correcting me. This apparently is a social engineering attack and is not the "drive-by download" attempt that I assumed.

      From the article:

      These site (they act only as redirectors) immediately redirect people further to acual scareware sites (e.g. antivir3 .com, antimalware-3 .com, cyber-scan008.com etc.) which perform a fake test and make people think that their computers are infected (Displaying Windows interface even for Linux and Mac users ;-)). Pretty much the same as what I described a year ago. Just slightly improved interface (the fake warning window is now draggable!). Don’t be fooled.

      Playing a little "devil's advocate", I suppose the case could be made that browser windows created by remotely originating Javascript should not be able to create windows that look like locally created warnings. Perhaps the windows Javascript can create should be marked in some way to make it obvious that it's the result of a Web site. Then you would end up with a warning to the effect of "Your system is infected with a virus, oh noes!" with an immutable titlebar that says "This window created by the Web site example.com" which should make the warning less convincing.

      I call that devil's advocate because I don't believe these problems will ever really go away until and unless the average user gets a clue. Titlebars on windows that label the origins of the windows are nice and consistent with full disclosure, but they are no substitute for user education.

      I think it should be explained to average users sort of like this: "there is and for some time has been a class of user that is easily exploited by all the latest scams, adware, and spyware. That class represents the lowest common denominator of user expertise and are targeted because they are the low-hanging fruit, the easiest to fool. The only choice in the matter available to you is whether you will be a member of that class. Your membership in that class is entirely voluntary because no one forces you to remain ignorant or to use what you do not understand. Do you still think that informing yourself, achieving a basic level of competency, and maybe reading a book or two is 'only for experts' or otherwise is such an unreasonable burden?"

      The way I see it, you pay one way or the other. You pay with a little of your time and effort to understand the tools you use each day, how they are supposed to work, and this naturally includes an ability to understand how someone might attempt to use them against you. If you are unwilling to pay that way, then you pay in the form of higher exposure and greater vulnerability to all kinds of malware and scams and other attacks that have become so commonplace today. The attempts to deny the reality of this situation all have one thing in common: they depend on pretending that the individual user is not making a choice when they allow themselves to remain ignorant in the face of abundant information. In other words, they falsely advocate the essential helpless victimhood of people who are not helpless and could choose differently.

      The way I view things, the scammers are just attaching a higher price tag to the poor decision-making that is already systemic in our society. For example, people who accept car loans with a duration of 60 months (and sometimes more) are doing the same thing financially. They look at only the monthly payment and do not account for the total amount that they will end up paying, nor do they account

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    11. Re:Yet Another Reason by dyefade · · Score: 1

      There are already abundant reasons not to give away your usage data to anyone who wants it; this just provides one more.

      Please explain why you'd rather not reveal your referrer data. (New example from TFA aside.)
      Working with web analytics, I can say referrer information is extremely useful, and not in a way which would lead you to any downsides, that I can think of at least.

      (Not trolling, I'm genuinely interested...)

    12. Re:Yet Another Reason by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 1

      When I use Google or any other search engine, all of the links in the results go directly to the actual site. It is not redirected in any way. Therefore even Google does not know which link I clicked, or whether I clicked any at all. With the measures I mentioned above, the site I visit has no idea that I got there from Google. It looks to the site like I just opened a new browser window and directly typed its URL into the Address bar no matter how I actually got there.

      I was wondering how you manage this? Google search results all output a google-based url that then redirects . The printed URL is often truncated, so you can't go to it automatically.

    13. Re:Yet Another Reason by Jazz-Masta · · Score: 1

      Sites that were hacked were done using an .htaccess user agent redirect. In a strange twist, IIS' web.config does not have that particular feature (well, with plugins, but not by default) so IIS is by-and-large not affected by this hack. Most of the sites had an .htaccess file that was writeable, in fact, many were chmod 777. Many CMS auto-upgrade scripts and url-rewrite plugins require a chmod 755 using apache's .htaccess file, but so many people just 777 it.

    14. Re:Yet Another Reason by nabsltd · · Score: 2, Informative

      Playing a little "devil's advocate", I suppose the case could be made that browser windows created by remotely originating Javascript should not be able to create windows that look like locally created warnings. Perhaps the windows Javascript can create should be marked in some way to make it obvious that it's the result of a Web site.

      This is a good idea, but unfortunately dynamic HTML allows the creation of "windows" within the browser, and there really is no way to limit this without seriously destroying page layout.

      Sure, these moveable HTML elements are confined to the browser window, but I think that somebody who would believe that a web site has "scanned" a D:\ drive that doesn't exist and found malware wouldn't notice that a window wasn't "outside" the browser.

    15. Re:Yet Another Reason by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I also use refcontrol, not because I'm paranoid, but alot of google image referrals will be blocked by the site referred to, or redirected to a BS page.
      For me, it's mostly Japanese blog sites.

    16. Re:Yet Another Reason by causality · · Score: 2, Interesting

      When I use Google or any other search engine, all of the links in the results go directly to the actual site. It is not redirected in any way. Therefore even Google does not know which link I clicked, or whether I clicked any at all. With the measures I mentioned above, the site I visit has no idea that I got there from Google. It looks to the site like I just opened a new browser window and directly typed its URL into the Address bar no matter how I actually got there.

      I was wondering how you manage this? Google search results all output a google-based url that then redirects . The printed URL is often truncated, so you can't go to it automatically.

      Try turning off Javascript. Or in my case, leave Javascript turned on and use NoScript. I personally add all Google domains to the "untrusted" list of Noscript. For me, there are no redirects of any sort. I get the direct URLs. I can copy-and-paste them into a new tab and it's a direct link straight to the site with no evidence that it came from a Google search. Of course, not using Google's Javascript means that my statusbar is honest about where the link goes, so there's no need to do all of that just to see that there is no redirection taking place.

      Removing the redirection alone is half of it. Combining that with spoofing the HTTP Referrer guarantees that the site I visit has no idea how I got there or where I was previously. You should also disallow so-called HTTP Ping because that's just a substitute for redirection and serves the same purpose.

      While their search works perfectly for me, successfully doing this may mean not using Gmail or other (non-search-related) Google services. I say that because I imagine you must accept Javascript and probably also cookies from Google in order to use Gmail. Incidentally, I don't accept their cookies either.

      On this Linux system, I run my own local SMTP server. I use Fetchmail to (periodically, automatically) grab e-mails from my POP3 mailbox as provided by my ISP. Those are forwarded to the SMTP server on localhost. That server processes them through Spamassassin before depositing the e-mails into my user's mbox-style mail directory. I then use a local POP3 server to serve those processed e-mails to any standard e-mail client. In my case, I use Thunderbird because it can use the Spamassassin data as input to its own spam filtering.

      I know that sounds a bit complex but once set up, it just works. I simply fire up Thunderbird like anyone else might do and have no need to concern myself with the chain of events. This provides me with excellent spam filtering and the ability to use Thunderbird's rules to automatically sort my e-mail into convenient folders based on criteria. All of this occurs locally and is fully within my control. None of it requires me to allow Google or anyone else to datamine my e-mail. The only network traffic involved is between Fetchmail and my ISP's mail server; everything else listens on localhost. With a setup like this, I have never felt a need to use Gmail or any similar service -- why would I use those and accept the compromises involved when I can do it myself the way I want? So for me, it's quite easy to just blanket deny all Javascript and all cookies from Google. For people who use many of their services, this probably won't be the case.

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    17. Re:Yet Another Reason by youknowjack · · Score: 1

      The HTTP referrer field may create privacy concerns for some people, but there are definite concrete benefits in web development to having data from this field available on an aggregate level. Examples:

      - See the paths people take when browsing a site, and arrange/optimise the design accordingly (generaly to make browsing a site easier)
      - See what search engine queries generally land a user at a page, so in the long run the content can be tailored towards what people are actually searching for

      I don't think a war against the HTTP referrer field is really warranted, given the privacy implications are only relevant to particularly committed privacy fanatics.

    18. Re:Yet Another Reason by youknowjack · · Score: 1

      Please explain why you'd rather not reveal your referrer data. (New example from TFA aside.)

      Maybe if you're embarassed because you still use Altavista search

    19. Re:Yet Another Reason by causality · · Score: 1

      The HTTP referrer field may create privacy concerns for some people, but there are definite concrete benefits in web development to having data from this field available on an aggregate level. Examples:

      - See the paths people take when browsing a site, and arrange/optimise the design accordingly (generaly to make browsing a site easier)
      - See what search engine queries generally land a user at a page, so in the long run the content can be tailored towards what people are actually searching for

      I just don't view browsing a Web site as some terribly difficult process that needs to be made easier. I suppose the things you mention might be desirable for anyone trying to impress people with flashiness and slick marketing rather than substance and the ability to provide something truly useful. In that case, perhaps whether the link to the one thing I am looking for is at the very top of your homepage or whether I need to scroll down might seem important. However, it's never been a goal of mine to cater to or otherwise encourage this kind of (frankly childish) behavior.

      When I am on a site, I am going to find the product I am looking for whether it's prominently displayed on the main page or whether I have to click a couple of links to get to it. In other words, I just don't base purchasing decisions on trivial and superficial things like this. I realize that your target market might feel differently about it, but the only thing that tells us is that I am probably not in your target audience. It says nothing whatsoever about the merits of my preferences and does not constitute a denial of my right to have them.

      I think this needs to be said: if I visit a Web site to purchase something, I am the customer. It is not the role of a business to tell a customer how he may or may not configure his own equipment. The convenience of designing your site is squarely within the realm of "not my problem." Counting on me to supply data to help you design your site amounts to an attempt to offload some of your marketing efforts onto your customers. Most will go along with this, if only because they don't understand how browsers work, but some of us will not. My advice to you is to enjoy the fact that most people will go along with it because you're not going to win any converts among those who won't, particularly not by arguing that your site-design convenience is more important than our privacy.

      I don't think a war against the HTTP referrer field is really warranted

      I don't consider my refusal to participate in a mechanism with which I disagree to be an "act of war". If you don't like vanilla ice cream and refuse to eat it, are you conducting a war against the dairy industry? Hardly. Either this is an attempt to dramatize or you should consider yourself fortunate that you are a stranger to what real conflict is all about.

      At the end of the day, I am the final judge of what is "really warranted" when it comes to my Internet connection and what the equipment that I own will and will not transmit through that connection. Anyone who disagrees with me is free to use their equipment as they see fit and will receive no interference from me. The claim that there is anything wrong with this constitutes a denial of basic property rights. The message is that you don't approve of how I choose to configure my system, therefore I should not configure it that way. Good luck with that.

      given the privacy implications are only relevant to particularly committed privacy fanatics.

      I believe that opt-in is a superior approach to opt-out. However, the HTTP Referrer is an opt-out situation because it's enabled by default. I am merely opting out of something that would otherwise reveal data with or without my informed consent. While I do this for privacy reasons, this very story is an example of reasons other than privacy for doing do the same. I am taki

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    20. Re:Yet Another Reason by IntlHarvester · · Score: 1

      Anyone who would actually care about this is also blocking cookies and javascript and won't show up in your web analytics in the first place. Even if ever browser had a prominent "block referrer" option, 90% of people wouldn't bother.

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    21. Re:Yet Another Reason by badkarmadayaccount · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't it be better if I shut down the referrer sending? It's in about:config.

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  3. Long Tail by Kolargol00 · · Score: 4, Informative

    The "long tail of search" TFA is referring to is explained in this Wired article and on its author's blog.

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  4. Bogus blogs and duplicate newsfeeds by HockeyPuck · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Speaking of bogus blogs... What really ticks me off is if I'm searching for a answer to a technical problem, I often find the same message thread on 10 different sites. I wish google would realize these are all the exact same thread and combine them into a single response.

    1. Re:Bogus blogs and duplicate newsfeeds by Rogerborg · · Score: 1
      Let me give you a breakdown of Google searches:
      • 75% "naked horny asian gay teen donkey"
      • 12% "american idol"
      • 6% "britney spears"
      • 6% "brittany speers"
      • 1% "technical problems"

      See why it might not be top of their To Do list?

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    2. Re:Bogus blogs and duplicate newsfeeds by mikael_j · · Score: 1

      Yes, those sites have actually become more annoying than the regular Experts Exchange-like sites that show content to google but not real users, at least those sites have the answer and can generally be tricked in various ways, the sites that just copy mailing lists are useless, especially the ones that "match" a hundred different questions so that they'll always be in the top 10 for a lot of searches yet they don't even have the answers to the questions, just other vaguely related questions.

      /Mikael

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    3. Re:Bogus blogs and duplicate newsfeeds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Experts Exchange does show the content to real users, they just place it at the bottom of a long page. Just scroll all the way down and it will all be there. If they didn't do that Google would remove them from searches.

    4. Re:Bogus blogs and duplicate newsfeeds by causality · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Speaking of bogus blogs... What really ticks me off is if I'm searching for a answer to a technical problem, I often find the same message thread on 10 different sites. I wish google would realize these are all the exact same thread and combine them into a single response.

      No joke. You omitted one part, however. You'll find the same message thread on 10 or more different sites, true. The part I would add is that in each instance, someone is asking the question but no one has responded with a meaningful answer. Sometimes I have better luck excluding terms like "archive" and "mailing list" from the search results.

      I forgot their name but there is a company or two that I would describe as parasites. They try hard to have high visibility in search results when it comes to someone asking questions. When you click the link, however, you find that they want you to pay a fee to see the answer. Usually this is for basic technical support information that is not secret or otherwise proprietary in any way. I bet they had to work really hard to craft their pages in such a way that the Google summary gives no indication that it's a for-pay site. It makes me wonder if they are subsidized in some way or whether enough people really do pay them enough money to stay in business on their own.

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    5. Re:Bogus blogs and duplicate newsfeeds by mikael_j · · Score: 1

      Actually, if you ever fell for one of their "click here to register and see the answer" tricks then they stop showing the answer (until you clear out your cookies).

      And it wasn't that long ago that they didn't show the answer to all users, it seemed to be browser-dependent, some user-agent strings would allow you to see the answers while others didn't.

      /Mikael

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    6. Re:Bogus blogs and duplicate newsfeeds by Tanktalus · · Score: 4, Funny

      • 75% "naked horny asian gay teen donkey"

      Great. And now those people will be redirected here. On one hand, it is like cleaning up the internet. On the other hand, you'll get all those pervs to come here and leave comments, drastically reducing the signal-to-noise ratio to basically zer... er, nevermind. Carry on.

    7. Re:Bogus blogs and duplicate newsfeeds by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 1

      Are y9ou sure? I don't recall a time when I haven't seen answers at the bottom of the page, regardless of browser. They only thing that was different is that they didn't put the "registered user" filler in the middle, between the question and answers.

    8. Re:Bogus blogs and duplicate newsfeeds by CALI-BANG · · Score: 1

      I forgot their name but there is a company or two that I would describe as parasites. They try hard to have high visibility in search results when it comes to someone asking questions. When you click the link, however, you find that they want you to pay a fee to see the answer. Usually this is for basic technical support information that is not secret or otherwise proprietary in any way. I bet they had to work really hard to craft their pages in such a way that the Google summary gives no indication that it's a for-pay site. It makes me wonder if they are subsidized in some way or whether enough people really do pay them enough money to stay in business on their own

      seems like experts-exchange.com, living off the contributed answers from its early years.

      i just add -experts-exchange when i search for something.

    9. Re:Bogus blogs and duplicate newsfeeds by Jazz-Masta · · Score: 1

      Speaking of bogus blogs... What really ticks me off is if I'm searching for a answer to a technical problem, I often find the same message thread on 10 different sites. I wish google would realize these are all the exact same thread and combine them into a single response.

      The problem I have with Googling technical problems is that the 10 sites that do show up often have all the wrong information.

      I was searching for info on converting latin1 to utf8 to make a similar point, and I went through almost all the top 100 results before I got to a post that mentioned you needed to convert the content INSIDE the database as well...and that post didn't even mention how. There are about 20 Wordpress scripts that convert the databases from latin1 to utf8, but do so by converting the database itself. There is only one, and not popular, that converts the string types to binary first to save the content (special characters, etc), then converts the tables and database, then converts the string types back. I can't believe how much misinformation there is floating around. One person posts something and 100 people take it as gospel and post it on their blogs, while the technically correct info is posted on a website deep in the Google index because it hasn't been updated!

    10. Re:Bogus blogs and duplicate newsfeeds by mikael_j · · Score: 1

      I used to have that problem with Safari, I never bothered to check whether it was just some javascript or CSS trickery to hide that part of the page though...

      /Mikael

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    11. Re:Bogus blogs and duplicate newsfeeds by phantomcircuit · · Score: 1

      I despise sites that simply reproduce content from forums or mailing lists like that.

      Which is why whenever I find one with my comment on it I immediately send their host a DMCA take down.

      Finally a good use for the DMCA :P

    12. Re:Bogus blogs and duplicate newsfeeds by colesw · · Score: 1

      As a note, at least for Experts Exchange, you can scroll to the bottom of the page to see the content.

    13. Re:Bogus blogs and duplicate newsfeeds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      For experts-exchange, the answers are at the bottom of the page. Just scroll ALL the way down. Really, try it.

    14. Re:Bogus blogs and duplicate newsfeeds by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

      Or just become a genius hacker and scroll to the bottom of the ee page, when you go to it! What an “impressive” way of “hiding” the solution from you, while allowing Google to index it, no? ^^

      Protip: If Google shows it, it’s in the page! If it does not help to scroll, turn of the style(s| sheets) and JavaScript.

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    15. Re:Bogus blogs and duplicate newsfeeds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I suppose you are referring to ExpertsExchange.com.

      However, the answers actually ARE on the page. You scroll to the bottom, past all the statements trying to get you to join, and the entire conversation, answers and all, are right there.

      This is why the site (and others like it) get so many inbound links and does so well in google.

    16. Re:Bogus blogs and duplicate newsfeeds by BillX · · Score: 1

      Be thankful, those at least have some chance of having an answer to the technical problem, even if there are copies scattered all over. Outside of the "program x barfs cryptic error message y"-type queries, my results for any search containing a vaguely technical/engineering term all start with "System and method of..." I've actually started adding -patent to my queries to not have to click past the 3 pages of junk patent applications that somehow manage to claw their way to the top of the listings.

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    17. Re:Bogus blogs and duplicate newsfeeds by badkarmadayaccount · · Score: 1

      And set UserAgent to Googlebot 2.1. But don't leave it that way using google services. It gets scared and hides behind a sorry page.

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  5. Re:Badware? by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 2, Funny

    A surprisingly large amount of people couldn't make the link between Malware and Malicious software.

    And an even larger amount of people didn't know what Malicious meant. *facepalm*

  6. Re:Badware? by Rogerborg · · Score: 1

    No, see, you may have paid someone to protect you from Malware, but they didn't protect you from Badware. It's totally different. However, I can protect you, for a nominal fee...

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  7. Re:Badware? by thijsh · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Good idea to dumb it down... most of my family or collegues will stop understanding and thus really listening when they hear words like malware. When you want to educate people be prepared to explain it in a simple way they understand, it will save you work later.
    And when you start to lose them just tell them "the evil hackers will plunder their bank account", this will give you about 3 minutes extra attention span. ;)

  8. First good thing about the work firewall then by mikael_j · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This could possibly be the only time one of the retarded things our company-wide firewall did turns out to be right, it strips all referrer headers from HTTP traffic (which has caused me endless pain since some of my work involves said headers).

    Of course, it still blocks all "application/---" MIME types which makes no sense and has caused even more issues (apparently anything with a MIME type that starts with application/ is a dangerous executable and must be blocked).

    /Mikael

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  9. Economic and Political Solutions? by 2PAIRofACES · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I get what these extortion-ware programs are. I've removed a few from my various relatives windows machines with malwarebytes and 1 other program (it's funny how no 1 program seems to be able to remove these vicious buggers). What I don't understand is how these a$$holes are getting their money. So the last time it happened to my uncle I told him to pay. He paid with a visa, waited a week and disputed the charge. It took him a few weeks, but finally got the chargeback, which I'm sure cost the a$$holes some of their own cash. Of course, during this period of time, the "anti-virus 2009" wasn't actually removed, but was weakened enough for my uncle to hop on the net and download his own malwarebytes and clean his system up. From now on, every time a relative gets this or one of its bastard brothers, I'm advising a "pay now and charge-back a week later" approach. I hope it catches on and the credit card companies, whose love of money has thus far blinded them to the illegal extortion scheme they've been aiding, decides it just isn't profitable to keep moving money for the a$$holes.

    Which brings me to my second point. I have a 5 year old son. I explained in simple terms, without analogy what the a$$holes are doing, and HE grasped that it was wrong, so why haven't our law enforcement official done so? I assume without knowing that most of the a$$holes are foreign nationals. FOLLOW THE DAMN MONEY. I can hire a P.I. for $250 who could tell me where the money is going. When the money get's where it's going, have our LEO on the phone with the local LEO and, just a name off the top of my head Hillary Clinton on 3-way, and a DEMAND that whoever got the money start talking. If Hillary can't be bothered, fire the bitch and get someone who can spare 20 minutes to help thousands maybe hundreds of thousands of their countrymen not be extorted. Rinse, repeat as necessary until we get to the BIG CHEESE. Don't extradite, let them be tried wherever they're found, preferably with charges that translate to "screwing with our government's aid deals with the U.S. (there aren't THAT many countries the U.S. isn't funneling money, or at LEAST food too).

    Functionally, there isn't much difference between these programs and foreign nationals walking into grandma's house and ripping her computer out and refusing to hand it back without $30. If we can't fix such an obvious problem economically, or politically, then we are left with a 3'rd option. Find them and take them out with drones. I'm not even remotely kidding. I hope it doesn't come to it, but how many of us would bat an eye if it did?

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    1. Re:Economic and Political Solutions? by cdrguru · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The problem with the "follow the money" is that nobody with any means to do anything cares. Let's say you track the money to some Netherlands bank and find the guys running it. Local law enforcement, acting on your behalf, says "Gee, American sucker lost money. So what?"

      UK, Ireland and Australia might care. Most other places you would need to hire a local lawyer and sue them in local court because local law enforcement just isn't interested. And if you get into places like Romania or Bulgaria you find out that ripping off Americans is legal there.

      There just isn't any amount of weight someone in the US can bring down internationally to make local law enforcement do anything about this. No amount of diplomatic pressure is going to be enough, because it is going to come down very simply to being too trivial for diplomats to deal with.

      Besides, this isn't happening "in the real world" at all - it is happening on the Internet. Even in the US "the Internet" gets lots of special treatment and enforcement of simple things. Stuff that would result in jail time off the Internet results in nothing at all when the same thing is done involving the Internet.

    2. Re:Economic and Political Solutions? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Eh, its not like Hans in Amsterdam is openly leading a life of crime. In reality, these scams are always run through credit card fraud or some form of money laundering. Tracking them down is hard, and it's small potatoes compared to the real crooks.

  10. Re:Badware? by Barefoot+Monkey · · Score: 1

    When did the word badware appear? Is it because some people couldn't cope with Malware?

    Same thing really - after all, "mal" is "bad"... in Latin

  11. Lorenzo Von Matterhorn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You got played. It's the "Lorenzo Von Matterhorn". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Playbook_(How_I_Met_Your_Mother)

  12. Ho Hum by The+Cisco+Kid · · Score: 1

    "Windows is a vulnerable POS" "New virus/trojan/worm affects Windows" "Every Windows computer can be assumed to be compromised, trojan-laden, and part of some botnet thats either being used to compromise other Windows machines, capture the user's personal information and/or to pump out anonymous spam".

    Assume these as static truths. Eg, not 'news'.

    Now what would *really* be news, is if a day went by and there wasn't some new compromise/attack/vulnerability affecting Windows machines.

    I live in hope that someday one of these trojan/worm/virus writers, distribute something that erases the entire hard drive, flashes all flashable memory on the machine, and then powers it down. But of course, they'll never do that, because then they'd be destroying the very resources they use to proliferate.

    1. Re:Ho Hum by Stan92057 · · Score: 0

      Why expect/want someone else to do your dirty work?

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    2. Re:Ho Hum by dskzero · · Score: 2, Insightful

      News would be that no one takes time to complain about windows whenever some new vulnerability is discovered. I'm willing to be that if any one linux distribution was used as much as windows, the story would be different.

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    3. Re:Ho Hum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Windows is a vulnerable POS" "New virus/trojan/worm affects Windows" "Every Windows computer can be assumed to be compromised, trojan-laden, and part of some botnet thats either being used to compromise other Windows machines, capture the user's personal information and/or to pump out anonymous spam".

      Assume these as static truths. Eg, not 'news'.

      Now what would *really* be news, is if a day went by and there wasn't some new compromise/attack/vulnerability affecting Windows machines.

      I live in hope that someday one of these trojan/worm/virus writers, distribute something that erases the entire hard drive, flashes all flashable memory on the machine, and then powers it down. But of course, they'll never do that, because then they'd be destroying the very resources they use to proliferate.

      I can only hope that one day, somebody comes and destroys your life's work, simply because they disagreed with you. This is what you are saying about 96% of people who have a computer.

      Don't be an asshole.

      People's lives are on their computers anymore, everything from pictures of family/trips/random life, to family videos, to novels, academic papers, to every other goddamn thing they can have on a computer. You want to ruin people's lives simply because they use Windows.

      You are quite possibly one of the biggest douchebags I have ever met online.

    4. Re:Ho Hum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you weren't quite so stupid, you'd realise that this, like most malware attacks, is a social engineering attack. They do not exploit any software vulnerability, they trick naive users into installing malware (which requires ignoring various warnings from the OS).

      If you think a naive person who is tricked by a criminal deserves to lose whatever the criminal steals from them or destroys, then you are a pathetic excuse for a human being.

    5. Re:Ho Hum by The+Cisco+Kid · · Score: 1

      Ah I see you subscribe to the 'popularity myth'.

      Thoroughly debunked here:

      http://www.desktoplinux.com/articles/AT5785842995.html

    6. Re:Ho Hum by The+Cisco+Kid · · Score: 1

      Just because most viruses/trojans don't generally go scorched-earth on the host computer doesn't mean your files are secure.

      Want you pictures/videos/novels/papers/"goddamn things" to be secure?

      Don't store them on a Windows computer.

      The point there, was that if some virus did this, millions of people would learn this, and learn it well.

      Sometimes learning is painful. Sometimes people don't learn even after repeated lessons.

      (And just so you can feel safe, I don't write viruses or trojans. That would require using a Windows computer, which I don't)

    7. Re:Ho Hum by The+Cisco+Kid · · Score: 1

      What I think, is that the world could use a wakeup call about monocultures and software monopolies.

      Just imagine if people used arc welders or battleships the way MS encourages people to use their computers. The point is its a tool, not a toy or an appliance, and pretending it isn't allows things like that to happen.

    8. Re:Ho Hum by dskzero · · Score: 1

      First off, you missed the point of my reply. It was meant to show that anything popular will have its fair share of detractors, not that Linux is as insecure as Windows and would have as many security problems. Put the gun back into your holster. Second, that's one of the most biased articles I've ever read: No surprise when the one who wrote it is named "Roaring Penguin", and the website is desktoplinux.com. If something's keeping me from loving linux, it's the rabid fanboys trying to convert me, screaming and preaching something oddly resembling the rants that Jehova's Witness try to throw at me.

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  13. Re:Badware? by causality · · Score: 1

    Good idea to dumb it down... most of my family or collegues will stop understanding and thus really listening when they hear words like malware. When you want to educate people be prepared to explain it in a simple way they understand, it will save you work later. And when you start to lose them just tell them "the evil hackers will plunder their bank account", this will give you about 3 minutes extra attention span. ;)

    I derive no pleasure from saying it, but maybe a plundered bank account is the natural price attached to holding their own security in such low esteem. The way I describe these situations is "if you want my help it's there for the asking, but I am not going to fight you in order to help you." I frankly have better things to do and there are people who would have more appreciation for how my knowledge of computers and networks can help them.

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  14. Ahah. So that's who's doing it... by rickb928 · · Score: 1

    But I just shrugged these off as random malware.

    Blogs are going to be another morass of evil, because of so many that just regurgitate/copy/mimic each other, the insecurity problem, and the general lameness of nobody saying nothing.

    And Google gets to look good on this, which is not really making me feel warm & fuzzy.

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  15. Interesting timing by wwphx · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I've had probably 50 people try to register on my message board in the last couple of weeks, mainly from RIPE in Amsterdam and LACNIC in Montevideo. I've considered banning RIPE's IP addresses entirely. The ones that I have approved have been posting your typical porn and Viagra links, I'm not sure if this is exactly the same as I won't follow their liniks to see if it's to blog posts.

    I wasn't sure if there'd been a compromise for SMF boards or if there's a list of low-activity boards that spammers share where my site got listed recently and thus people are trying to post there or what, but I've had to turn on administrator-approval of all memberships, which really ticks me off. I'm thinking about reinstalling my board to change the directory but haven't had time to mess with it.

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    1. Re:Interesting timing by roguetrick · · Score: 1

      I noticed I've had a bunch of assholes running into my CAPTCHA wall for my PHPBB board.

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    2. Re:Interesting timing by wwphx · · Score: 1

      I originally had my board set to the applicant doing a medium CAPTCHA and verifying an email. I'm not sure if there were people on the other end authenticating to get in and post spam, or if there was an exploit with SMF that let them bypass part of the login authentication with a hack.

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  16. Re:Badware? by jDeepbeep · · Score: 3, Funny

    When did the word badware appear? Is it because some people couldn't cope with Malware?

    It's not badware. It's goodware-challenged.

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  17. Bing! by blackfrancis75 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Those guys at Bing have been busy.
    (I know the trojan targets Windows - I say it's a hit they were willing to take)

  18. I noticed by HangingChad · · Score: 2, Interesting

    One of my sites got hacked, along with a bunch of others on Inmotion Hosting. Inmotion tried to claim the user client machines were compromised and all the hacks were just FTP connections, but I don't believe that. It could have been related to an older version of phpbb I was running, but it didn't originate with my desktop.

    The hack added thousands of links to almost every html file in the site, pages and pages of links, and set up rogue directories packed with thousands of html pages (2,147 in one directory). Took me days to clean all that crap out. What was amazing was the sheer scope. Thousands of websites all around the world compromised within a few days of one another and massive cross-linking network set up. It would take a big team to do that legally.

    It's hard to blame Google for an organization going to that much trouble to game the system. I thought I ran a pretty secure site and it's hard to blame the host.

    Here's the head scratcher for me. These people obviously have a very broad base of technical skill and resources. Imagine if they applied that talent to something legal. What's the payoff for all the trouble of building the link network? Do they make more doing this than setting up something legal?

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    1. Re:I noticed by Spad · · Score: 1

      I've read quite a lot of articles about these link farms and associated spam emails, some are designed to spread malware to create botnets which can then be resold á la CPU time on supercomputers and others are designed to send traffic to websites of dubious repute such as Canadian Pharmacy. Some of these sites pay a shitload of money to people who can refer traffic to them, claims of $100,000 a day being made by some of these link spammers.

      There's a whole economy around spam, website hacks and malware these days, you've even got people who will QA your malware for you to check for bugs and others who will run them against common AV software and suggest ways to evade them. Then you can sell your malware to someone who will use the network of compromised sites they bought off someone else to build botnets which they then sell time on to other people who are using them to send spam emails on behalf of *other* people.

      The saddest thing is they're generally a lot more efficient than legit businesses, because they have to be to stay profitable and out of jail.

    2. Re:I noticed by ralphdaugherty · · Score: 1

      Do they make more doing this than setting up something legal?

            short obvious answer, yes.

  19. let me jump on the troll wagon, too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Awhile ago there was a major news story involving an Austrian and incest. Now I just assume that all Austrians are like that, in order to simplify my narrow mind's view of the world. Maybe it's the Austrian schools or leiderhosen or something.

    1. Re:let me jump on the troll wagon, too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The parent wrote "many speakers of American English."

      I don't know about your dialect of English, but here in the UK the word "many" does not mean "all." Thus no generalisation was made.

      You need to work on your trolling abilities, kid. At least try to properly identify a case of generalisation next time.

  20. No-Script by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I tried to reproduce this. But I was running noscript. I had to enable a half dozen sites before I could see what they were talking about.

  21. Re:Badware? by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 1

    I agree - but I think its better that they be informed about it at the least. See my parents were under the impression that so long as they never entered their information online it wouldn't be in danger. As such, they had a number of financial records on their computer, which (of course) got infected.

    Now, nothing bad has resulted (to our knowledge), and I've lined them up with preventative measures and how to deal with it when it strikes. They didn't really care all that much until I told them that yes, those bank records ARE AT RISK. Then they perked right up.

  22. Re:Badware? by LordAndrewSama · · Score: 1

    If I weren't happily in love I'd see that as an opportunity to get the receptionist naked...

  23. Re:Badware? by tyme · · Score: 1

    Good point! It should be "ungoodware" (or, maybe, "double plus ungoodware")

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  24. +INFINITY by mosel-saar-ruwer · · Score: 2, Interesting


    This is possibly the best post that has ever been made at /.

    I have been wanting the ability to mask HTTP REFERRER [sic sic] since practically Day One of getting on the WWW [and certainly since the first time I ever put a sniffer on the network stack and saw all the personal information that was being given away to God-only-knows whom].

    It's hard to believe that it's taken us almost two decades to be able to surmount the single most egregious mistake that Tim Berners-Lee made in designing [or mis-designing] the web.

  25. Bogus Antivirus by GearheadX · · Score: 1

    Been a lot longer than 6 months, I've been seeing these things on end user machines for over a year.

  26. Filtering out the bottom-feeders. by Animats · · Score: 4, Informative

    The big search engines remain too "soft" on bottom-feeders. Google once took a harder line. In 2004 and 2005, Google sponsored the Web Spam Summit. Then they had a down quarter and turned to the dark side. Since then, from 2006 to 2009, they've sponsored the Search Engine Strategies conference, the web spammer's convention.

    Google has to do this to remain profitable. 35% of AdWords advertisers, by domain, are "bottom-feeders" - sites with no identifiable legitimate business behind them. A significant portion of Google's revenue comes from those bottom-feeders, and the AdWords ads on their sites. If Google filtered out all spam blogs, their revenue would decline.

    We, of course, run SiteTruth, as a demo to show that search can have less evil. Try putting some of those "bad" sites into SiteTruth and see how it rates them.

    (We get some whining, of course. "I wanna run ads on my blog and I don't wanna say who I am." Tough. You're operating a business, and businesses, by law, don't get to be anonymous. Even in the EU. Deal with it.)

    1. Re:Filtering out the bottom-feeders. by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

      If Google filtered out all spam blogs, their revenue would decline.

      And this, children, happens when you sell your soul to the golden cow.
      There always comes the moment when you have to choose, if you will walk over dead bodies, for it.

      As if there were no bigger ideals and goals to follow, than money, money, money...

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      Any sufficiently advanced intelligence is indistinguishable from stupidity.
  27. Poor unsuspecting non-geeks...=) by Shaper+of+Myths · · Score: 1

    I use all the same things that fellow geeks tend to use...Adblock Plus, NoScript, host file, etc. They work great for me but for the average person (family, friends, customers, etc) I find that a few minutes of explaining the existence and nature of the 'dark side', combined with the addition of a few basic measures keeps most of the crap at bay with little effort on their part. From speaking to them on a regular basis (I've been driving around fixing home and business machines for over 5 years now (3-5 calls per day) with a small Boston-area company so I've seen a huge cross-section of users) I've pieced together what I think is the root of the matter..."Internet Security" programs...

    These things (Norton and McAfee are the worst) claim to do everything but make people breakfast, not only on the package but also on their websites. Most machines even come with free trials of these bastards installed by default. They have cartoon interfaces with green lights and checkboxes and all manner of condescending 'you are safe' messages all over them. What they fail to mention is that they can only effectively protect against what is on their 'lists'. I understand they need to make money but its downright deceptive to give people the expectation that they don't have to do anything to keep themselves safe. Once the average person installs one of these monsters they assume (and yes its foolish to assume anything but to them the computer is a tool, not a second job) that nothing can harm them. After all they paid money for it to protect them. Most are horrified to find out that these things are smoke and mirrors and that even though their AV says 'you're protected' they still ended up infected with a rootkit or something similar that completely evaded detection because it had hit the ground running less than 24hrs previously.

    The particular attack form that hits sites like the ones mentioned in the article is the worst, and actually relies on the AV vendors own obnoxiousness to trick people. Regular AV software loves to pop up and announce how great a job its doing. Most people ignore these and just click whatever they have to to dismiss them. Why? Not out of stupidity (usually) but because it happens so frequently that they've become desensitized to it. So when they are on a site and a popup announces they've been infected and that unfortunately they need to renew their subscription to fix the problem, they click what they need to in order to get back to what they were doing. They don't notice that words are slightly mis-spelled or that Antivirus 2010 doesn't say McAfee or whatever it is that they've got. They see a giant cartoon with warning messages and a 'fix it' button. It all happens so quickly that most of the time when I'm talking to a customer about it they don't remember actually doing it until an hour into the call.

    Whats the solution? I don't think there is a perfect one, but I can say that I've had tremendous luck over the last several years with a very basic approach. Currently it consists of the following...

    Education - a 15 minute conversation (in plain english btw) can save you hours of repairs later. once people have a realistic expectation of what their role is in their own safety they become better users
    Getting them to use IE only for the sites they absolutely need it for (usually internal work-related ones)
    Migrating them to Firefox w/Adblock Plus and Web of Trust (the ad filtering is a great way to get most people to dump IE in a heartbeat)
    OpenDNS set up on their router with the updater service running on one of their machines (only if they want sites blocked for kids/employees/whatever)
    Basic antivirus (AVG, MSE, etc) with as many of the more annoying features shut off as is possible so that when they see a message they might stop to read it.

    With the above stuff in place the only malware-related things I need to get rid of are usually related to a toolbar that something like Java installed on them or if someones kid went off to pirate something and got infected (thus bypassing any security in place by looking for trouble actively).

    YMMV of course...

  28. Why is nobody... by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

    ...targeting my “long tail”?

    Oh... with badware? Well then, no thanks. ^^

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  29. Clever social engineering by Vadim+Makarov · · Score: 1

    I encountered this over a year ago. In the summer 2008, to be exact. A large academic publisher's website was hacked to redirect to malware when seeing "google" in the REFERER string, yet function normally otherwise. It has taken me a day to realize it wasn't Google's or my computer problem. It has taken me two or three emails to a journal editor over a couple weeks to have the site webmaster finally notice and believe it was his server responsible and not something else. Half the traffric was hijacked, yet webmasters usually checked their own websites not through Google and assumed everything looked normal. This was an efficient trick the first time it was used.

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  30. "Don't simply notice"? by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 1

    webmasters of the compromised sites and their hosting providers don't simply notice this illicit activity.

    How do they notice it then? Complexly?

    You can't expect words to mean the same thing when you string them together out of order.

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