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Should You Be Paid For Being On Call?

theodp writes "Fortune's Dear Annie takes on the case of poor Dazed and Confused, an independent webmaster who's expected to be on call for his client at all hours of the day and night, but doesn't get paid for being on call, only for the 40 hours a week that he's in the office. Surprisingly, Annie throws cold water on the contractor's dreams of paid OT, citing these pearls of wisdom from an attorney who's apparently never had the 'privilege' of being a techie on call: 'Many companies see the on-call issue as analogous to a fire fighter's job. Most of the time, a fire fighter is off-duty but on call, hanging around the firehouse, cooking, sleeping, or whatever. What that person really gets paid for is the relatively small, but crucial, amount of time he spends walking into a burning building with an ax. A webmaster, likewise, has slow times and busy times.'" What on call policies are you used to working with and how should it work in an ideal world?

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  1. Well, then... by fyngyrz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Here's the way I see it. Mr. Lawyer, you want to pay for support 40 hours a week? I'll give you a cellphone number I'll answer 40 hours a week.

    It is ridiculous to presume that offering the opportunity to interrupt one's life at any time, any place, with an overriding obligation to deal with your problems, has no value.

    Oh, you want the 168 hour phone number? Well, that's gonna cost ya...

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    1. Re:Well, then... by Deflagro · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Right, I'm sure Mr Lawyer wouldn't mind being on retainer for free either. We'll call you when we need you and pay you on the go.

      Firefighters get benefits though in that they are provided food and shelter at no cost and can practically live at the firehouse, albeit not something everyone would love to do :P

      I think if you expect someone to be at your every beck-and-call, then you need to pay them. At least give them some reason to care.

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    2. Re:Well, then... by MrMr · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't understand that. If he's an independent webmaster it will cost him a non-paying customer, the kind you really can do without.
      If he is on the pay-roll he should probably join a union.

    3. Re:Well, then... by amorsen · · Score: 4, Interesting

      In Denmark, the IT union is one of the stronger ones.

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    4. Re:Well, then... by mikael_j · · Score: 5, Informative

      As a swede (who is a union member) I'd like to give my opinion on this.

      Suppress wages

      Not really, they generally only demand guaranteed minimum raises (which are normally just a little over inflation) and minimum pay dependent on the field people work in. So they don't really suppress wages, they just make sure employers don't try to stick their employees with miserably low pay, and that employers are forced to give out raises that at least match inflation.

      defend the inept

      Most of the legal action I've seen from unions has been against employers who have insisted on 15 year-old 15" CRT monitors being ergonomically equivalent to new TFT monitors, that employees should come in to work ten minutes early without pay and similar silliness that affects "all" employees ("all" with quotation marks because obviously management has brand-spanking-new 24" TFT monitors because the old CRTs would somehow hamper their ability to work efficiently even though they're perfectly fine for everyone else) or individual cases where an employer wrongfully fired someone and the union offered legal assistance.

      petty crap during "bargaining" years

      Ah, but the employers are even worse in this regard, nothing like moving assets out of one daughter company with a lot of employees into another daughter company just so you can say the business division is doing poorly and can't afford respectable raises for the employees.

      strong arming members

      Never heard of this, sometimes individual union representatives can have some wonky demands on employers though, although the only times I've heard of this have involved employers who were notorious for always trying to "bend" labor laws so there was a clear power struggle between the employer and the union to begin with.

      and take money away for political purposes.

      There are definitely a few unions that do this, they're mostly the classic big "social democrat" unions like LO who have a historic connection to various political parties though.

      I'm glad that I'm a union member, it has saved my ass a few times when employers have tried various bullshit.

      /Mikael

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    5. Re:Well, then... by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 4, Informative

      Heh, like they'd stay otherwise.

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    6. Re:Well, then... by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 5, Interesting

      My experience, working with an education union in Oregon.

      Suppress wages - I did IT, the school district was bound to make me an hourly worker by labor agreement with the Union, the Union that represented us was the union for school workers, janitors, secretaries, cafeteria workers. So yes, my wages were suppressed, I couldn't leave the union, couldn't get step pay raises because of education or certification, just by putting time in.

      Defend the inept - Having the Union defend a coworker that threatened other coworkers (he talked about bringing a gun in if we didn't treat him better, to a school), tell me not to testify against another Union member who was accused of surfing child p0rn on an elementary school computer, oh it was grand.

      Petty crap during "bargaining" years - Teachers union are "bargaining" so they all park in front of school district office, where a number of members of another union work, vandalize cars during work hours. I worked in administration for years and they never did anything like that.

      Strong arming members - No secret ballots, blacklisting people who vote against what the union wants for a contract or strike vote, pressure to vote in State and Federal elections for the union's preferred candidate, etc. If you belong to a Teachers Union in the US, just try and vote against what the union wants, and they know who you are because you had to show your union card when you turn in your ballot.

    7. Re:Well, then... by Bill_the_Engineer · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If he's an independent webmaster it will cost him a non-paying customer, the kind you really can do without.

      Well...

      Having played both sides of this issue, let me throw some thoughts out to the wolves (so to speak):

      1. If he is asking slashdot on how to handle this, I doubt he is in a position to lose any customers.

      2. If the website is so problematic that he needs to be on call, then maybe he should make an effort to improve the reliability.

      3. I've had a few customers who used to call after hours for issues not related to the work I was doing. If the problem was small and can be done over the phone (or remotely) I usually helped them out for free. If the problem looked like it was going to take some time to fix or required me to drive to their location, I charged. If the problem could not wait until regular business hours, I charged accordingly. The trick was that I did enough gratis work for them, that they didn't flinch when I required payment for the particularly difficult problems...

      4. As the economy worsens, the number of competitors for your clients will increase. It's easier to work a little harder to keep a client, then it is to replace one.

      5. Keep in mind, that some advice given here on Slashdot are from those who wouldn't mind taking your client.

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    8. Re:Well, then... by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The trouble ensued when he was about to be laid off and his employer decided (instead of letting him go) to offer him a position as an independent contractor, paid at a rate of 40 hours a week in the office.

      If that's really what happened, he's got more problems than this on-call business. As described, that is what the IRS calls 'conversion' and they will reclassify him back as an employee, fine the crap out the employer and keep the self-employment taxes he's been paying as a contractor (double-dip).

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    9. Re:Well, then... by gestalt_n_pepper · · Score: 4, Informative

      Read history. Unions occurred when the oligarchs had all the power and the workers (often as young as 8) were little better than slaves working 7/16 with no benefits. Fast forward to the 90s. IT talent is scarce so they can't get away with this. Fast forward to about 20 seconds past the dot com crash. Threatened with wage arbitrage (i.e. outsourcing), IT personnel get hooked to pagers 24/7. Collar and leash optional.

      Unions work in other countries like Sweden and Japan. Unfounded claims to the contrary, we're nobody special and they can work here too.

      Is there abuse in unions? You bet. Is there abuse without unions? You bet.

      Bottom line? If you don't push back, you get pushed to the wall, and asked to bend over.

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    10. Re:Well, then... by WhatAmIDoingHere · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I have a lot of experience dealing with various nursing unions (the mothership hospital and the small branch I worked at operated an off-site renal unit which had staff from both hospitals working together), and from what I've seen, the issue isn't that specific teacher's union. It's the majority of them.

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    11. Re:Well, then... by Sandbags · · Score: 5, Informative

      No need for a union. Simply:

      1) get written confirmation from your boss you are not elligible for overtime and on-call pay. Show him a copy of the FLSA related to on-call work and have them explain why they fee it does not apply to your position.
      2) work as long as you feel you'de like to for that firm.
      3) at some point later, present a copy of the FLSA 29 CFR 17 defining on-call pay requirements, having this notorized by a lawyer is nice too. Even an anonymous call to the labor board in your state may also work so you can remain anonymous and reap the benefits without job loss.
      4) take large settlement check for all logged time (at time and a half at least, plus additional compensation as best as you can negotiate).
      4a) if company offers your continued employment, great, if not, you have a real nice paycheck, plus back pay
      4b) if check not offered, sue, you'll be due at least 3 times the back pay at time and a half, plus all your legal fees. It's a cut and dry case, you'll be compensated additionally for time lost, and likely will never appear in court.

      Here's the conditions outlined in the FLSA regarding who should be paid for on-call waiting time (on call actual time on a call helping someone is assumed you'll be paid for, this is the "sitting around" time you should also be paid for...):

      --Geography. How far can an on-call worker stray from the jobsite? The more restricted he or she is, the more likely it is that on-call time is compensable. Before cell phones and pagers, on-call people often had to be at home, by the phone. Now they can be anywhere, so the issue is less clear. That often brings it down to a matter of

      --Response Time. How long a time do you allow for on-call people to respond? That frequently spells how far away they can be. If you demand the person be on-site in 10 minutes, says Jorgensen, the time is likely to be compensable. If it’s 60 minutes, he believes the opposite is true.

      --Call Frequency. How often is the person actually called? In one court case, Jorgensen reports, an employee called three to five times a day was ruled to be working and had to be paid. In another case, one called six times in a year was not deemed so.

      --Uniqueness. A fourth factor relates to how many of your workers can do the needed work. If there’s a pool of employees available, and employees can trade off the on-call responsibility, there’s less evidence that any one of them is restricted personally.

      --Alcohol restrictions. If the company requires you to remain sober during on-call time, likely you qualify for pay during the entire time.

      Other things that may factor in regionally or at the state level:
      - additional compensation for interrupted meals, including at the least pay for the intire time of the meal plus the interruption, and potentially fair compensation for the cost of the meal.
      - minimum 5 hours uninterupted rest clause. Get woken up at 3AM after going to sleep at 11PM. Have to be at work at 8AM next day, so you get up at 5:30. You did not get 5 hours uninterupted, so you must be paid the ENTIRE 8 HOURS OF SLEEP as if you were awake/
      - no alternate compensation: can't be compensated with comp time, only payroll. In states where comp-time is approved comensation for on-call work, that must be at 150% the comp rate (equiv of overtime compensation pay). Further, an employer in most states can not make you leave early because you worked late the night before, nor cut your hours to below your average work week in order to avoid overtime.
      - OSHA and other FLSA regulations on max time allowable at work in a 24 hour period (varies by job title as well, for instance emergency worker, driver, etc).

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    12. Re:Well, then... by Sandbags · · Score: 5, Informative

      An independent contractor who has only 1 customer is by law considered an employee. If you're provided a desk, equipment of any kind, security access as an employee is (doesn't have to sign in, etc), is issued commands and job tasks by management, averages over 36 hours per week over a 3 month period or longer, has a dedicated manager, is expected to show up and work regular hours, etc, then the contractor is simply an employee who chooses to not accept HR to process their tax paperwork. In fact, in many states, it is ILLEGAL to have an "independent contractor" not be on the books if at any time their contract is open ended or not related to a specific task with a defined completion date. If he's there ofr a "contract job" where the job ends given a sety of conditions, and where he's the only one doing the work (not part of a team of other full time contractors), then he may very well be a contractor, but then he's got the power to negotiate or walk away as well, and should have a business contract with them, and not have filled out an employment application...

      I had an employer try to pull this BS in CT. He thought it would be a great idea to fire us all, hire us back at a 10% pay raise, but save all the benefits, vacation, Social security and HR costs, etc. he saved about $300/week per each of us, and we got $50-100 more... Come tax time, we found out the hard way that just because an employer doesn't pay your matching SS costs and medicare, that does NOT mean it does not have to get paid... i had a $4K tax debt to deal with under this arrangement.

      We spoke to a lawyer, and the state department of labor, and the guy got fined big time, and we each got the back pay X3, our tax debt reassigned to his firm, and 10% of what they took out of his ass for reporting him. During the process, he terminated us all instantly, so we also got compensation for unlawful termination and loss of work pay (plus unemployment on top). They also found out he'd been doing this for YEARS in cycles, and got him for a few hundred grand in unpaid taxes, and last I heard he was still serving a 9 year prison sentence for tax evasion (he tried to move all the money and the house to relative's accounts so they could not put leans on it when he refused to pay up). They took everything he had, business home and cars.

      Contractors by definition can not be on salary. If you;re buddy is only paid 40 hours as a contractor, he needs to send them a bill and threaten to send a copy to the labor board and the attorney general of the state. Have him tell them he wants time and a half back pay, plus time and a half vacation compensation, plus $300 per payroll period in leiu of stiffer fines from the government, and give them a copy of the FLSA sections refering to the definitions of contractor and employee.

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    13. Re:Well, then... by JWW · · Score: 4, Insightful

      While the Constitution has its flaws, I cannot fathom how horrible a "new" Constitution developed by our current political "leaders" would be. I believe that it would be too horrible to behold.

      The current political classes in DC need to be run out of town in total before we should even think of changing the constitution...

    14. Re:Well, then... by Sparr0 · · Score: 4, Informative

      "Sure, the constitution has its flaws, but it's better than what we have now"

      This button made me smile, then frown, then cry.

  2. Of course you should be paid by Aliencow · · Score: 5, Informative

    You're basically hooked to a pager, which means you need to be near a phone, and usually near a computer with internet connectivity.

    I don't work in operations, but everyone in decent places I've worked at did get paid around 3hours of salary per 24hours of wearing the pager. Then it was a minimum of 1 hour per "call" (more like issue, as it could involve multiple calls) except for the first one of the day which was included in the 3hours.

    That meant that in a typical week you'd get paid for (24*7)-40 hours of "pager duty", which amounted to 16 hours of salary, so 2 days extra. That's pretty good, assuming you're on a decent rotation and don't have to be THE guy doing it every single week.

    1. Re:Of course you should be paid by BarryJacobsen · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I'm the only IT person here, and basically how it works for me (I designed the system as I was essentially creating the department) is that I work 40 hours per week, with the expectation that most of the time it will be the standard 9 - 5. If I get called during the night and I'm just on the phone and/or remoting in, that time counts towards the 40 with the time counted in 30 minute chunks (i.e. a 5 minute phone call counts as 30 minutes worked). If I actually have to come in, the time it takes for me to drive there + back to where I was is included in the worked time and (again) time is counted in 30 minute chunks. It works out pretty well for me.

    2. Re:Of course you should be paid by bberens · · Score: 4, Funny

      No worries, most of the code where I work appears to have been written while inebriated.

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    3. Re:Of course you should be paid by soupforare · · Score: 4, Funny

      And you need to be sober.

      I drink when I'm *at* work, I'm certainly not changing that when I'm on-call!

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  3. There seems to be some confusion here... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Obviously, with all else equal, the guy who is 40 hours + on call needs to be paid more than the guy who is 40 hours only, unless we want to go back to the good old days of indentured servitude or something.

    However, it doesn't really much matter exactly how that extra money is delivered. It could be that "The job description of 'Job A' includes being on call, which is why people who do it earn a hefty salary" or it could be "'Job B' is 9 to 5; and time on call is X dollars/hour outside of that". That seems to be the point of confusion.

    1. Re:There seems to be some confusion here... by nine-times · · Score: 4, Insightful

      However, it doesn't really much matter exactly how that extra money is delivered. It could be that "The job description of 'Job A' includes being on call, which is why people who do it earn a hefty salary" or it could be "'Job B' is 9 to 5; and time on call is X dollars/hour outside of that". That seems to be the point of confusion.

      Exactly. The first question here should be, are we talking about a salaried position or an hourly wage? If it's a salaried position, then the salary should just be higher for taking on a job with the increased responsibility of being on call. "Being on call" should be part of the job description, and part of the negotiation for salary at hiring. If it wasn't and they ask you to be on call, then I think it's generally reasonable to say, "That wasn't part of my job description. If you want me to be on call, then I want a pay bump to go along with it."

      If it's an hourly wage, then again it needs to be negotiated. If it were me, I'd probably want a certain rate for working the normal 40 hour week, a different rate for being on call, and a third (relatively high) rate for work done outside of normal hours, while on call. If you want me to make an effort to ensure that I can be reached 24/7, I expect some kind of compensation. If you expect me to actually come in at 2am and work, then I expect to get paid more for that time than I get paid during the normal weekday.

      Of course, negotiating terms of employment can always be tricky. If you really like your job and don't mind being on call for the amount you're paid, then you might not want to push it. If you play hardball, it's possible they'll just let you go.

  4. NOT GONNA DO IT! by iplayfast · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I tried this once, but I hated being on a leash so much that I quickly found another job. It just wasn't worth my sanity.

    1. Re:NOT GONNA DO IT! by scamper_22 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      One the items often missed here is the exempt employees are supposed to be able to exercise judgment. It's a vague concept in many circumstances. However, if you are able to exercise judgment, you MUST be able to use the following word:

      NO.

      Do some companies make it hard to say no? Absolutely. Been there done that. But that is what you must do. If you are a worker bee that just takes instructions from management... you are not a professional and you should be paid overtimes.

      It's amazing to me the number of people who never even TRY to say no. I don't know how I'd act if my manager actually threatened to fire me for saying no. It's never happened. Granted, I am sure it has cost me in terms of promotions, bonuses... Perfectly fair if you ask me. Someone else is willing to work harder than me... they deserve it.

      I'm a pretty reasonable person. I'll put in some extra hours if a deadline is coming up. I'll do a late night call once in a while if there's an emergency. If I start to see a pattern... emergencies happening weekly... then it ain't an emergency and management had better start budgeting for that.

      And yes, we should all be grateful to have a job in this time. But never forget this is not a one way street. No employer is going to value you unless you value yourself.

      You know the code/equipment; you know the domain; you know the processes; you are known to do good work. You're worth something. If you leave, the company has to go find a replacement, train them, deadlines pushed back because a new person is coming in... and there's uncertainty if it works out... Chances are the company is understaffed as is... and losing you would just make things even more unmanageable. In short, value yourself. Don't overvalue yourself... anyone can be replaced :P

  5. hospital model... by i.r.id10t · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Well, the firefighter mentioned is flawed - he is *at work* waiting for a call to come in. On call is not at work, but available should the shit hit the fan.

    The hospitals I worked in, the staff that were on call (CAT scan techs, nuke med techs, OR nurses, recovery room nurses, dialysis folks) were paid $1 or $2 per hour just for carrying the beeper. Should they get called in, they were guaranteed 2 hours of pay, but they had to stay waiting for something to do for that whole time (a CT tech could come in and scan someone in 10 min - but they then had to hang out and wait for the extra hour and 50 minutes). This pay was at regular pay rates/levels, so night shift differential or holiday differential kicked in, as would over time if their total for the pay week was over 40 hours.

    So... followign this, our poor over worked web master would be paid say $1/hr for totin his beeper or whatever. If he gets called, he comes in and fixes the issue, gets a minimum of 2 hours of work at his hourly rate, and probably gets over time. Sounds good. In reality, he's probably a salaried employee, so over time is out the window, and if he's lucky he may be allowed to leave 15 minutes early on Friday to make up for it.

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  6. Firefighting by tumnasgt · · Score: 5, Informative

    Firefighters) run shifts, they are only ever on call when they are at the station, which they have two 12 hour day shifts, two 12 hour night shifts, and then 4 days off. Pretty fair working conditions if you ask me. No 40 hours in at the station, and then an expectation that they will get up at 3 o'clock in the morning cos Mrs Jones' left a candle burning and the cat knocked it over. Maybe Mr Lawyer need's to check who he is comparing with before he accidentally agrees that 24/7 is unfair.

    1. Re:Firefighting by QuantumRiff · · Score: 4, Informative

      My brother is a firefighter, works 24 on, 72 off. He is at the station the entire time he is "on call", and never, ever gets called when off duty, unless someone needs to trade shifts. If he has training to do, it is either done during his shift (with obvious breaks for fires) or he gets paid additional to come in during his off time (or gets a 24 hour shift waived as payment, basically trading time)

      Is the lawyer thinking of Volunteer firefighters? they usually work their real jobs during the day, and when the call comes, go to work as a firefighter. Many Volunteer departments in rural areas don't pay the firefighters, but do re-imburse them a token amount for mileage when they drive to the scene.

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  7. The point is that your time is not your own by Fished · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The problem is that, when you're "on call", your time is not your own. You're expected to be ready and able to drop everything at a moments notice and go to work, immediately. Furthermore, you can be limited as to where you can go, particularly in areas with poor cell phone coverage. Most employers I've worked with have given a day of "comp" time in exchange for a week on-call, although they've sometimes been a bit sketchy on actually doing this and on how you should report it. To me, it should be official, recognized, and fully compensated--but often it just happens at manager's discretion.

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  8. He's not really "on call" by iamhassi · · Score: 4, Informative

    I've done a lot of independant contractor work and I've hired dozens of contractors, so I'll put my two cents in.

    As a independent contractor he gets to choose if he wants to work or not. If he wants to go out of town then go for it, but if they call and you're not available they're going to get someone else. You're not "on call", they just let you know "hey we have some work here if you want it, if not no problem".

    Being an independant contracotr for a business just means you are someone they know with a particular skill and they will let you know when they need your expertise in the future. It's the job equivalent of "fuck buddy".

    If he got paid for being "on call" as a independent contractor then we'd all have to pay plumbers, lawn mowing guy, electrician, mechanics, and all the other "use you when I need you" people in our lives for being "on call".

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  9. Wrong! by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 4, Informative

    Most of the time, a fire fighter is off-duty but on call,

    100 percent of wrong. Firefighters are not off-duty when they are on-call. They are on-duty. When they go off-duty, they are no longer on call. Firefighters are typically on-duty for a 24-hour shift for two or three days a week. On their off days, they are not on call. Thus, most of the time, a firefighter is NOT on call.

  10. Re:Paid call by KraftDinner · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think you'll find many businesses do though.

  11. Cut and Dry here by Sandbags · · Score: 5, Informative

    I've worked On-Call shifts with a number of companies before.

    Here's the deal:
    The FLSA [Fair Labor Standards Act] regulations provide that "[a]n employee who is required to remain on call on the employer's premises or so close thereto that he cannot use the time effectively for his own purposes" is considered to be "working." 29 C.F.R. [section] 785.17

    It is against the law for a on-call person to be paid salary. They are non-exempt employees by definition. Any time spent fulfilling required job duties outside of the office must be compensated. Overtime pay scales may or may not apply by job description.

    Since a home system, paid for at least in part by an employer, including compensated phone/internet bills and job requirements to maintain a home computer for work purposes (or a provided corporate computer for use at home, including rotated on-call hardware shared by several people) is an extension of the office and the duties of the job, that home system is essentially ruled by the courts to BE the office when on-call. Anytime an employer requires an on-call person to remain in their home, or in proximity to a computer system and to carry and answer a phone routed by the company at specific hours, then that person, under the FLSA, is in fact WORKING. The rate they're paid for that time spent "waiting" for a call may be billed at varying rates, but generally not less than 50% of regular pay, and any time actually on a call would be bileld at the standard rate for that employee (or overtime rate if it applies). Many companies pay a base "convenience" wage to people who are on call but take no calls during that time.

    The Supreme Court, in previous rulings, has also concurred. If you are bound to a location, unable to leave and persue personal activities (say, go to a movie, go out to dinner across town, play video games online, go shopping at something other than a local grocery store, etc), or are mandated to be at a computer to handle calls within X minutes of a notice of an alert (the "you can do whatever you want, but you only have 30 minutes to answer a page" idea), then you are essentially work bound, and not free to use your time at your own lesiure. For example, if while on-call, you could go spend a weekend at your parents, so long as you answer calls per company policy, and meet SLAs for handling issues, they you are only required to be paid while actually working, but if that company required you to stay "within 15 minutes of a connected computer at all times while on-call" then you are work bound, and must be compensated at at least a base acceptible rate during that time, including time-and-a-half as mandated for hours over 40.

    For example, at one of my employers, all i was required to do was return a paged call within 30 minutes. once the call was returned, it took about 5 minutes to determine what the issue was, but we had a 4 hour response SLA, so you could tell a customer, "I'm on call, and not at home, I'll call you back in 2 hours..." and that was acceptible. We were only paid for time actually logged on calls (rounded to the nearest hour). At another job, The 1 week a month you were on call, you were expected to keep a quiet household, be at home at all times aside from quick errands, and if you got a call, it had to be answered immediately, and you had to be logged in within 20 minutes of the call. We were paid 50% time for all hours "on call" except meals and sleeping and 100% time on calls (and time and a half as it applied only to time on calls).

    Further, in many states (including this one), even if only billable when actually on a call, it is illegal to be paid for less than 3 hours in any 24 hour period, regardless of the number of hours worked. It's also illegal to be compensated for less than 1 hour for any block of time spent working that is more than 1 hour apart from another billable hour. For example: on Sunday, you get a call at 10AM that lasts 30 minutes. You get another call at 3PM that lasts only 15 minutes. They have to pay yo

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  12. As an American, here's my union story... by Crazy+Taco · · Score: 5, Informative

    And as an American in IT working at a unionized plant (I'm not in the union, but I write programs to do scheduling and such based on their ridiculously complicated seniority rules), let me give the other side of the story.

    Suppress wages

    Yeah, this really happens several different ways. First and most obviously, they surpress the wages of the competent. There are people at our plant who are awesome workers who deserve more pay, and lazy people who should be fired and paid nothing at all. But firing is almost impossible, and the union insists everyone gets paid on the same scale. So the people who are as lazy as a pet coon make more than they are worth, and the competent people subsidize this by being paid less. Also, the minute workers unionize, management has to start playing heavy defense and trying as hard as they can to not give raises. Why? Because if they give raises and then have a bad year as a company (such as Chrysler and GM), the union won't take a pay cut, and they may go bankrupt. Every company who has watched the UAW over the years intuitively understands this, so they work hard at not giving an inch even in good times... thus depressing wages. My unionized plant is actually paid less than our non-unionized plants, so it really can happen that way.

    defend the inept

    Happens constantly. My father in law (a union member) quit his job as a union steward because he was sick of defending people who were in the wrong. At my plant it's the same way. Most grievances are filed by inept workers with a sense of entitlement. Likewise, most of the times management tries to fire inept workers, they can't, because the union defends them tooth and nail. We busted one guy repeatedly for spending hours looking at porn at work, and he kept getting defended. The only way we got him out was by essentially plea-bargaining him: you agree to resign, and we won't make public what you did, so your family won't find out. Otherwise, we couldn't have gotten rid of him, because the contract says you can only be fired if you commit the same offense twice in a six month period, and he was doing it outside the six month window (or at least that's how often we were catching him).

    petty crap during "bargaining" years

    Happens all the time during bargaining, although to be fair both sides are petty. In my plant, both the union and the management hated a certain seniority rule, but neither wanted to negotiate or change it because "once it's gone we might not be able to get the rule back if we ever want it in the future." So you keep it (and fight over it) even though both sides agree it's stupid.

    strong arming members

    This has never been more true than under the current US administration. The unions are pushing for two new rules. The first is card check, which allows unions to organize based on a check of who is carrying cards, rather than having a formal vote in which both union and management make their case, and then the members vote. In fact, you don't even have to have a majority to unionize under this! And look at the "employee free choice act" rule change: it takes away the right to a secret ballot and makes people vote publicly for and against the union. That way everyone knows who didn't vote for the union, and coercion can take place. Both of these rules are strong arm tactics that do not benefit employees, and taking away a secret ballot or organizing without a vote or even a majority are all totally un-American.

    and take money away for political purposes.

    Every union I know of takes dues from its members and spends them to fund the Democratic party. Big Labor is pretty much a wholly owned subsidiary of the Democratic party, and everyone knows it. My father in law sees his dues spent to elect Democrats every year, even though he votes Republican. But that's how unions operate... just like some companies (cough GE cough) try to get in bed with government and carve out monopolies and policies in their favor, Big Labor does the same. They are all about increasing their size, financial and power bases.

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