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Verizon Changes FiOS AUP, -1, Offtopic

RasputinAXP writes "Verizon has changed their FiOS AUP effective yesterday, and added an interesting new clause to their specific examples that we're all familiar with: 'it is a violation of the Agreement and this AUP to ... post off-topic information on message boards, chat rooms or social networking sites.' At this point, every FiOS-based Slashdot user is breaking the new AUP."

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  1. My first hand experience on Modern Warfare 2 by sopssa · · Score: 5, Funny

    I think it was a cool game. Clever plot, movie-like experience that took your breath away and huge explosions. It was sad that there wasn't more of those sneaky sniper missions however.

    Multiplayer is cool with it's leveling and perks, which actually matter quite a lot. Your characters abilities are totally different based on your perks. Co-op play is also great fun.

    What do you think?

    funny picture

    1. Re:My first hand experience on Modern Warfare 2 by JeanBaptiste · · Score: 4, Informative

      I LIKE TURTLES.

    2. Re:My first hand experience on Modern Warfare 2 by timster · · Score: 4, Funny

      I agree, and I think it's time for the government to acknowledge the problem.

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    3. Re:My first hand experience on Modern Warfare 2 by Anonymous+Monkey · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yum Potato Pancakes!

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    4. Re:My first hand experience on Modern Warfare 2 by realisticradical · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Scaramouch, Scaramouch, will you do the Fandango?

    5. Re:My first hand experience on Modern Warfare 2 by gbarules2999 · · Score: 3, Informative

      $yum install potato-pancakes
      Loaded plugins: fastestmirror, presto, refresh-packagekit
      You need to be root to perform this command.

    6. Re:My first hand experience on Modern Warfare 2 by maddskillz · · Score: 4, Funny

      OMG PONIES!

    7. Re:My first hand experience on Modern Warfare 2 by Afforess · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I thought New Moon was a poorly done movie. The acting was terrible, and the characters themselves, corny. 4/10, would not see again.

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    8. Re:My first hand experience on Modern Warfare 2 by Carbaholic · · Score: 3, Interesting

      And now for something completely different, a man with three buttocks

    9. Re:My first hand experience on Modern Warfare 2 by JWSmythe · · Score: 2, Insightful

          I guess that's better than three men with one buttock. Siamese triplets with one ass? Who wipes it?

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    10. Re:My first hand experience on Modern Warfare 2 by vishbar · · Score: 5, Funny

      Burma Shave

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    11. Re:My first hand experience on Modern Warfare 2 by ndunnuck · · Score: 4, Funny

      Potato is already a root. Or a tuber, same difference.

    12. Re:My first hand experience on Modern Warfare 2 by JWSmythe · · Score: 2, Insightful

          If someone flips a coin to decided something with me, I punch them in the face. When they wake up I tell them "Nope, it's what I called." They obviously didn't care much if they left it to the random chance of a coin flip. Try it. You'll find it helps solve a lot of problems. Well, until they start trying to do the same thing. If they swing at you, after they wake up, knock 'em out again just for spite. ... and people say violence doesn't solve anything.

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    13. Re:My first hand experience on Modern Warfare 2 by i.r.id10t · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yeah but the chick that plays Alice had some nudie pix leaked about a month ago...

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    14. Re:My first hand experience on Modern Warfare 2 by capnkr · · Score: 2, Informative

      How to make your very own Holy Hand Grenade

      Useful to know, when needing to repel the occasional turtle-loving zombie.

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    15. Re:My first hand experience on Modern Warfare 2 by ae1294 · · Score: 3, Funny

      wow, you mods are really on the ball today...

      Slashdot is full of little bitches who all need to all be punched in their collective faces while their ipods, iphones, macbooks and ps3's all are smashed on the basement floors.

      One day I plan on hacking this site using root / password! and garbing all the marketing/mod logs so I can take a little trip around the world to hand out free punches to each and every one of you fucking cock sucking basement dwelling whores.

      May each of you burn in hell forever as the spaghetti monster devourers your souls one bit at a time.

      and in Satan's name may a pox fall upon your motherboards, bit rot consume your illegal loli porn and may your hard drives all crash and burn.

    16. Re:My first hand experience on Modern Warfare 2 by Jason+Levine · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I see your Bohemian Rhapsody and raise you a Muppets Bohemian Rhapsody!

      http://www.youtube.com/user/MuppetsStudio#p/c/C9E4DEEA577A3A79/0/tgbNymZ7vqY

      Dr. Bunsen Honeydew: "Will you let me go?"
      Mahna Mahna: "Ma-na-ma-nah!"
      Snowths: "do do do do do do"
      Lew Zealand: "Let me throw."
      Mahna Mahna: "Ma-na-ma-nah!"
      Beauregard: "I will not let you throw."
      Crazy Harry: "Let me blow."
      Mahna Mahna: "Ma-na-ma-nah!"
      Beauregard: "I will not let you blow."
      Fozzie Bear: "Let me joke."
      Statler and Waldorf: "Do not like your jokes."
      Fozzie Bear: "Let me joke."
      Statler and Waldorf: "Do not like your jokes."
      Fozzie Bear: "Let me joke."
      Statler and Waldorf: "Do not like your jokes."

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    17. Re:My first hand experience on Modern Warfare 2 by sopssa · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I agree. Moon was a great movie, the single science fiction I've managed to watch for years actually.

    18. Re:My first hand experience on Modern Warfare 2 by vegiVamp · · Score: 3, Funny

      I *know* violence isn't the answer. I get it wrong on purpose.

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    19. Re:My first hand experience on Modern Warfare 2 by vegiVamp · · Score: 2, Funny

      Please link to your sources :-D

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    20. Re:My first hand experience on Modern Warfare 2 by skuzzlebutt · · Score: 2, Funny

      I like shamrock shakes. They smell like gum.

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    21. Re:My first hand experience on Modern Warfare 2 by dwillden · · Score: 2, Funny

      I agree, the incorrect usage of the English Langu... SQUIRREL!!!!!!!!!!

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  2. Windows ME by Neil+Hodges · · Score: 4, Funny

    My experience with Windows ME wasn't exactly a good one. As soon as I installed a second hard drive, it would bluescreen at boot. XP was better back then (when it was first released).

    1. Re:Windows ME by Yvan256 · · Score: 2, Informative

      To open the secret cow level, all you need to do is put Wirt's leg and a tome of book portal in the cube.

    2. Re:Windows ME by Arthur+Grumbine · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'm pretty sure that that is not the original intended use of nmap!

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    3. Re:Windows ME by bertoelcon · · Score: 2, Funny

      AC, I'm really happy for ya and imma let you finish but Kayne is the best troll of all time. The best of all time.

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    4. Re:Windows ME by Verdatum · · Score: 2, Informative

      The trick is to teleport into your own brain, and tear out your common sense. Then you will be able to pick up the "tea" and the "no tea" at the same time. The ship's computer will be so impressed by this feat that it will finally open the door for you and you can begin to explore Magrathea.

    5. Re:Windows ME by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 2, Funny

      It's precisely statements like these that will set back the sexual revolution at least 100 years. Please try to be less judgemental in the future.

  3. Hey Verizon! by Average_Joe_Sixpack · · Score: 4, Funny

    Go Fu*NO CARRIER

  4. Part (b) : "flaming" by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 5, Funny

    (b) transmit uninvited communications, data or information, or engage in other similar activities, including without limitation, "spamming", "flaming" or denial of service attacks;

    You people at Verizon are a bunch of asswipes.

    1. Re:Part (b) : "flaming" by Icegryphon · · Score: 2, Funny

      I see they have been spending one time on the *chan sites.

    2. Re:Part (b) : "flaming" by oenone.ablaze · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Actually, I suspect that it's because Verizon just cares about what's going on in _their_ forums, and they included that clause so they could terminate the internet service of complainers / trolls in their forums without saying so explicitly. That's what I would do, if I were a myopic, profit-maximizing natural monopoly.

    3. Re:Part (b) : "flaming" by MindlessAutomata · · Score: 2, Interesting

      (b) transmit uninvited communications, data or information, or engage in other similar activities,

      This reminds me how silly and broad these ToSes are. That appears to even making pinging against the ToS. What is an "uninvited communication" when it comes to the internet?

    4. Re:Part (b) : "flaming" by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, the spellchecker does underline "asswipes" when I type it, but it doesn't underline "assholes", and it doesn't underline "Verizon" either, so make your own assumptions.

  5. Why they may have done so by JoshuaZ · · Score: 2, Informative

    This may be overbroad wording in response to spam comments or the like (remember the Christmas store junk that kept getting posted here over the last few weeks?). The wording is broad, but that may very well be to make sure that they can reasonably catch it all and respond.

    Sorry if that's too ontopic. I guess I could help that out by copy and pasting some hot fanfic but a quick google search doesn't show any Steven Chu/Terry Tao slash.

    1. Re:Why they may have done so by conlaw · · Score: 2, Funny

      The wording is broad, but that may very well be to make sure that they can reasonably catch it all and respond.

      But if it's too broad, an affected customer can try to get a court to throw it out on grounds of ambiguity! Now do the hokey-pokey and turn yourself around. That's what its all about!

    2. Re:Why they may have done so by Chyeld · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If you read the whole section, it's a list of examples of what they consider to be violations of Section 1. Someone just got diarrhea of the fingers and started listing all the ways to misbehave online. They even include flaming.

      The takeaway is Verizon is attempting to say that if you act out in any manner whatsoever, do anything they don't like, or just get on the wrong side of one of their IT folk, your service is dead. Overbroad is an understatement. This is them writing a blank check to themselves to allow them to do whatever they want, whenever they want.

      1. General Policy: Verizon reserves the sole discretion to deny or restrict your Service, or immediately to suspend or terminate your Service, if the use of your Service by you or anyone using it, in our sole discretion, violates the Agreement or other Verizon policies, is objectionable or unlawful, interferes with the functioning or use of the Internet or the Verizon network by Verizon or other users, or violates the terms of this Acceptable Use Policy ("AUP").
      2. Specific Examples of AUP Violations. The following are examples of conduct which may lead to termination of your Service. Without limiting the general policy in Section 1, it is a violation of the Agreement and this AUP to: (a) access without permission or right the accounts or computer systems of others, to spoof the URL, DNS or IP addresses of Verizon or any other entity, or to penetrate the security measures of Verizon or any other person's computer system, or to attempt any of the foregoing; (b) transmit uninvited communications, data or information, or engage in other similar activities, including without limitation, "spamming", "flaming" or denial of service attacks; (c) intercept, interfere with or redirect email or other transmissions sent by or to others; (d) introduce viruses, worms, harmful code or Trojan horses on the Internet; (e) post off-topic information on message boards, chat rooms or social networking sites; (f) engage in conduct that is defamatory, fraudulent, obscene or deceptive; (g) violate Verizon's or any third party's copyright, trademark, proprietary or other intellectual property rights; (h) engage in any conduct harmful to the Verizon network, the Internet generally or other Internet users; (i) generate excessive amounts of email or other Internet traffic; (j) use the Service to violate any rule, policy or guideline of Verizon; (k) use the service in any fashion for the transmission or dissemination of images containing child pornography or in a manner that is obscene, sexually explicit, cruel or racist in nature or which espouses, promotes or incites bigotry, hatred or racism; or (l) use the Service in Cuba, Iran, North Korea, Sudan and Syria or any other E:1 Country as designated by the Department of Commerce.

      To cover the fanfic requirement:

      DOOM: Repercussions of Evil

      John Stalvern waited. The lights above him blinked and sparked out of the air. There were demons in the base. He didn't see them, but had expected them now for years. His warnings to Cernel Joson were not listenend to and now it was too late. Far too late for now, anyway.
      John was a space marine for fourteen years. When he was young he watched the spaceships and he said to dad "I want to be on the ships daddy."
      Dad said "No! You will BE KILL BY DEMONS"
      There was a time when he believed him. Then as he got oldered he stopped. But now in the space station base of the UAC he knew there were demons.
      "This is Joson" the radio crackered. "You must fight the demons!"
      So John gotted his palsma rifle and blew up the wall.
      "HE GOING TO KILL US" said the demons
      "I will shoot at him" said the cyberdemon and he fired the rocket missiles. John plasmaed at him and tried to blew him up. But then the ceiling fell and they were trapped and not able to kill.
      "No! I must kill the demons" he shouted
      The radio said "No, John. You are the demons"
      And then John was a zombie.

  6. Re:Star Destroyer Vs. Borg Cube? by Joe+U · · Score: 2, Insightful

    SCUBA is an acronym for Self Contained Underwater Breathing Apparatus

  7. Re:Have you guys ever... by sopssa · · Score: 2, Insightful

    But the problem here is the constant Windows vs. Linux fighting. We've spend all this time fighting and completely forgot to laught at how stupid Mac OS X users are.

  8. Forget (e) offtopic, how about (b)? by ClayJar · · Score: 5, Informative

    "[I]t is a violation of the Agreement and this AUP to[...] (b) transmit uninvited communications, data or information"

    They don't even say "unwanted" or some such term. According to the letter of their AUP, discovering an old friend's email address (or Facebook page... whatever people use these days) and sending the friend a message "may lead to termination of your Service". They could replace their entire AUP with an at-will statement and it would be no less unconscionable.

    Of course, cutting off anyone who sends yet another "e-card" might actually be justified, and according to AUP 2.b, they could do it. :)

    Obviously, it's not likely they will enforce the AUP in an egregiously Draconian manner, but I for one would prefer having the outlandish bits *implied* rather than expressly stated. It just looks cleaner. On the other hand, they didn't quite go completely Pythonesque on us:

    Prohibited:
    1. Users named other than "Thomas".
    2. Users named "Thomas".

    1. Re:Forget (e) offtopic, how about (b)? by Thinboy00 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "[I]t is a violation of the Agreement and this AUP to[...] (b) transmit uninvited communications, data or information"

      I'd say this is pretty Pythonesque. I can't send you data until you invite me. Of course, you sending me an invitation is prohibited unless I invited you to do that. But I can't do that unless you invited me first. Etc.

      That just means in theory that VZ customers can't contact each other.

      Of course, in theoretical practice VZ customers can't contact anyone by any reasonable and modern protocol.

      Of course, in practical practice it means VZ can terminate its customers whenever it wants.

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    2. Re:Forget (e) offtopic, how about (b)? by spidercoz · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Huh? (head explodes)

      now who the fuck is going to clean that up?

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  9. Re:haha that's funny by Fritz+T.+Coyote · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Raise your hand if you remember when putting "NO CARRIER" in a post was considered Rude as it could make some terminal emulators think the modem had dropped the call.

    OK, get your health care aid to help you raise your hand.

    Now all of you kids get off my lawn!

  10. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 2, Funny

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  11. Re:lol by The+Archon+V2.0 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    do i even need to bring up the constitution here? free speech anyone?

    Since it's a corporation, it's not bound by the First Amendment.

    Hey, wait, that means bringing up the Constitution is off topic.

    Very good.

  12. Making everyone a criminal is convenient by aaandre · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Because now Veri$on will be able to disconnect anybody for any reason under the pretext of breaking a rule. Quite convenient. Same with government and the thousands of laws.

    Not every law is applied to everybody, but when anybody becomes inconvenient, there are enough laws to take them out of the picture.

    The more numerous the laws, the more corrupted the state.

  13. Re:OMG Im breaking my AUP!! by PPH · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'm going straight to hell!

    If you are a Verizon customer, you are already here.

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  14. Re:I'm Not! by Kjella · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Seriously though - how are they going to enforce this without reading the information I'm sending over the net. Shouldn't that be Illegal?

    Honestly, they don't care as long as you pay and nobody complains. This is just another case where if they get complaints from someone, they can terminate you for ToS violation. In reality, not much has changed - have you read some of them? There's usually enough insane terms to terminate anyone, any time anyway. This is just adding one more possible excuse to put on the termination notice.

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  15. Re:Star Destroyer Vs. Borg Cube? by MalleusEBHC · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The star destroyer was neither a star nor a destroyer. Discuss.

  16. Re:Someone wants to check /. from work by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Cute. That statement amounts to giving themselves the power to inspect both the origin/destination and the content of all communications.

    Better SSL up.

  17. Re:haha that's funny by Yvan256 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Damn you, it took me 7 minutes to log back in!

  18. Re:haha that's funny by gid · · Score: 4, Informative

    Never knew about NO CARRIER but I remember +++ath0 could make some modems hang up, but you had to get the user on the other end to type it in to get the modem to hang it up. If they were running a linux machine, you could craft an icmp packet, or use sendmail or ftp to echo the string back to you.

    Some modems fixed this by requiring a pause.

  19. Re:Cows by Yvan256 · · Score: 3, Funny

    As I just said above, all you need to do is put Wirt's leg and a book of town portal in the cube.

  20. I'm calling Verizon on ALL OF YOU!!! by Jazz-Masta · · Score: 2, Funny

    How DARE you break the terms of your agreement! Have we stooped so low? What next? Downloading of Movies, Music, etc?

  21. Re:I'm Not! by quickOnTheUptake · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I suspect this is just the next level of ISPs' disallowing spamming. They probably aren't planning to actively enforce it, but if it were to come to their attention that one of their accounts is being used to post 100's of more or less subtle marketing messages a day to forums, they reserve the right to cut the account off.
    That said I actually have no idea, just a guess.

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  22. Re:This is why I run Emacs on MacOS by Jazz-Masta · · Score: 2, Funny

    Because being a Linux fanboy was too mainstream.

    Wow, it takes talent to be modded offtopic on an offtopic conversation.

  23. Re:haha that's funny by sopssa · · Score: 4, Informative

    Some Linksys router's were even more fun (along with some Norton antivirus I think). If you sent "CHR(1)DCC SEND test 0 0 0" to IRC channel or private message, it would make the Linksys router drop all connections hence disconnecting the user from IRC too. That done in a large channel and you saw hundreds of users dropping.

  24. Err.. no. by Fished · · Score: 2, Insightful

    IANAL. I don't even play one on TV. However, your "constitutional rights" are a list of things that the government may not do to you. While there might be some legal angle based on Verizon's status as a common carrier, public utility, etc., generally speaking a private company has no obligation to enable your freedom of speech. Think about it... does a newspaper have to print your letter to the editor? No. Same deal here.

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  25. To all of you offtopiccers! by sopssa · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm on Verizon and cannot join the discussion, you insensitive clods!

  26. Re:haha that's funny by Grax · · Score: 5, Funny

    A bear walks into a bar and says "I would like a beer ... ", waits 30 seconds, then says "... and a wine cooler."

    The bartender says, "OK. But why the big pause?"

    The bear says, "I dunno. I've always had them"

  27. Oopsie by rindeee · · Score: 3, Interesting

    What Verizon (Comcast, and others) are going to learn the hard way is the liability that comes along with this. IANAL, but, from experience I understand that if you specifically say something is prohibited, but then do not enforce prohibition of it and someone causes harm to another where it would have been precluded had you enforced the prohibition of said activity, guess who's liable. :)

  28. Re:Riiight, constitution doesn't apply. by Late+Adopter · · Score: 3, Informative

    The Constitution only prevents that in government actions. What prevents private discrimination of recognized classes is primarily the Civil Rights Acts of 1964.

  29. Re:haha that's funny by HolyCrapSCOsux · · Score: 2, Funny

    Three men walk into a bar, the fourth ducks.

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  30. Re:haha that's funny by azmodean+1 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Yea, but you could usually get the same effect by posting "Hey guys, use Alt+F5 to enable the special DCC recv mode and I'll send you some {illicit data of the moment}"