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Brain-Control Gaming Headset Launching Dec. 21

An anonymous reader writes "Controlling computers with our minds may sound like science fiction, but one Australian company claims to be able to let you do just that. The Emotiv device has been garnering attention at trade shows and conferences for several years, and now the company says it is set to launch the Emotiv EPOC headset on December 21. PC Authority spoke to co-founder Nam Do about the Emotiv technology and its potential as a mainstream gaming interface." One wonders what kind of adoption they expect with a $299 price tag.

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  1. Could be a half-decent toy, if priced well by EdZ · · Score: 4, Informative

    Looks like it actually is approaching a reasonable number of electrodes, unlike other the bunch of other 'brain control' devices (a pair of electrodes on your forehead does not an effective EEG make). Still too few for any sort of fine control, but you might just be able to get 2d bang-bang direction control going with a large amount of practice.
    Of course, if it costs something ridiculous, then it's probably easier to make your own.

    1. Re:Could be a half-decent toy, if priced well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      As someone who has done research int brain-computer interfaces, most BCI devices created for games are really measuring EMG, which is electrical noise created by muscle movements. A pair of electrodes on your forehead can only really effectively measure small muscle movements in your forehead.

      On the other hand, this looks like a regular 16 electrode cap with one ground and one reference.

      I wonder how they bypassed the need for gel...

      By the way, $299 is actually a fairly reasonable price for a good cap. I wonder what the biological amplifier costs, though. If it is included in the price (or within the cap) then $299 really is a very good price for such a device.

    2. Re:Could be a half-decent toy, if priced well by uglyduckling · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You can definitely record useful EEG data on neonates using forehead electrodes without gel. It's called a Cerebral Function Monitor. It looks like there is research in using it with adults too. These are mostly used in patients that are comatose or (medically) paralysed, so I suspect there would be issues with interference from motor nerve signals although these would have a very different pattern so I suspect could be filtered.

    3. Re:Could be a half-decent toy, if priced well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I have the development release and the electrodes use cotton-like "wicks", which are wetted with saline. While I am not familiar with other EEG devices, this does not require an external amplifier, and is connected wirelessly to a USB dongle.

    4. Re:Could be a half-decent toy, if priced well by Beefmancer · · Score: 2, Insightful

      As someone *else* familiar with BCI research, I can back that up, $299 would be a good deal if the software is any better than openEEG. Buyers should be aware however that their website makes some really far-out claims for the device, and that the marketing is realllly shady. Plus, as I've pointed out here before, I've heard firsthand from one of the biggest names in the field that he met with the President of this company who failed to demonstrate that this device could do anything. Even the best in academia can get only wobbly control in 2d... thus the odds are very low that their 2d cursor control, even with tons of practice and a bald head, is going to be good enough for shooters.

      To give them credit though, it might be good enough for pac-man! And if done properly it could get kids excited about neuroscience.

  2. Conductant? by MichaelSmith · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Back when I had regular EEGs a technician would spend about ten minutes squeezing conductive cream onto my scalp before clipping the electrodes on. If you don't use a conductive liquid your signal is going to have to pass through your hair, which doesn't sound good for their N/N ratio. So what's it going to be? Shaved heads or washing your hair after gaming?

    1. Re:Conductant? by Voulnet · · Score: 5, Interesting

      You don't need conductive gel at all. My graduation project was using EEG to allow disabled people to control a PC, and we did not use conductive gel, at all. Conductivity was very good.

    2. Re:Conductant? by djdevon3 · · Score: 2, Funny

      We'll all get pin implants. It's about time we turned into an alligator clip society.

    3. Re:Conductant? by Abreu · · Score: 2, Funny

      Missed Moment of Awesome. The correct Soviet joke in this case should be:

      "In Soviet Russia, the Program controls the Brain through the Headset!"

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  3. interesting by dwarfenhoschi · · Score: 2, Informative

    It will be very interesting to see how this works out. It tested the last "Brain Control Device" (i think it was from a german company) at the Games Convention 2008 and was very surprised to see it working...with some learning of course.

  4. Great video by BadAnalogyGuy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    After watching the video, a very specific quotation comes to mind.

    Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from a rigged demo.
    - Andy Finkel

    If you look at the hardware itself, there is a gyroscope attached. Hence, when the fat white guy wants to lift the stone, he leans his head back. I suppose you are to watch him wave his hands, but the real action is going on literally on his head.

    Now if someone could build an iPhone app that can do this, we'd have all the same functionality at an even higher price!

  5. Re:Obligatory by dintech · · Score: 2, Interesting

    One wonders what kind of adoption they expect with a $299 price tag.

    Early ones.

  6. Re:just bad by BadAnalogyGuy · · Score: 4, Informative
  7. Re:Obligatory by declain · · Score: 5, Funny

    Of course. Since it's gaming device, Linux enthusiast are their main market.

  8. Re:Bypassing normal I/O mechanisms of the brain by MrNaz · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "Given the little knowledge I have of neural network functioning"

    It seems it's even littler than you think.

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  9. Re:NIA out for a year. by citizenr · · Score: 2, Informative

    OCZ one doesnt work at all, or barely.

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  10. Actually it does. by DrYak · · Score: 2, Informative

    Of course. Since it's gaming device, Linux enthusiast are their main market.

    Actually, they are also targeted neuro- and psycho- scientist who might be interested in such a mass marketed, dead-cheap(*), over-simplified EEG.
    The company provides SDK, which are also usable on Linux.

    It's the exact same situation as with GPU, which are both consumer mass product for playing games (OpenGL & DX) *and* are interesting to scientist looking for cheap of-the-shelf parts (for OpenCL and CUDA).

    (*) : The *device itself* is cheap. In order to unlock full access to all the data and let the scientist play with what they want, the free-as-in-beer SDK isn't enough and they have to pay for research SDK.
    But still, the whole stuff isn't as expensive as medical-grade EEG installations.

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  11. Misleading by Jeffrey_Walsh+VA · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Should be brain-controlled

  12. Other Applications by smitty777 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm a bit surprised (or maybe not) that the focus of the discussions has been on the gaming aspect of the device. I know it's not perfect, there are a lot of bugs to work out, and it's been around for a while, but I can see tremendous application and potential for this technology. This could provide quadriplegics with access to software, allow another interaction pathway for those with their hands occupied on critical tasks (pilots, surgeons, police).

    I wonder how much the hand gestures were required to move the objects? I'm sure it's a way to "cognitively prime the pump" at this point, but could it be done without the gestures? Or could someone learn to do it without them?

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  13. Everyone who buys this will love it! by Bocaj · · Score: 2, Funny
    Really, everyone wearing one of these will swear,

    "Emotiv is the greatest company ever. I love all of their products. I am mortgaging my house to purchase more of their products. Emotiv is my friend. Emotive is good."

  14. As Penny Arcade put it... by Dr.+Manhattan · · Score: 3, Funny
    "Emotiv's Epoc mind controller device thing doesn't allow you to control other people's minds, which I think is a disappointment to everyone." (Here.)

    There are also... power issues.

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  15. Re:Bypassing normal I/O mechanisms of the brain by RockoTDF · · Score: 3, Interesting

    He isn't talking about some evil mind control, what he is saying is that when you learn and use your brain, connections change. Therefore, if you are trying to get the "up" motion on the keyboard down, there will be a change in your brain activity that will be reinforced by getting it right. So yes, he is right that using this device will change how things are working, but such change would be no different than learning to type in Dvorak or using a different controller for the first time. Nothing dangerous.

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  16. Re:just bad by gr3kgr33n · · Score: 2, Informative

    This is a VERY old diagram. It shows how the design was intended 3 years ago.

    If your going to cite diagrams, use one from the actual product. http://audivolv.com/emotivEpocMindReadingHelmet.jpg

    As for previous comments on "conductive goo", the emotive epoc uses felt pads with a saline solution for conductivity. If you will notice, the owner and lead researchers are both women with thick, long hair and they have no problems using the device.

    Linux support is in the works (Read: Drivers are under development); however, since their target is gamers, this is not their priority at the moment.

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  17. Lawsuit coming in 3...2.... by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 3, Interesting
    I looked into creating such a system a few years ago. After a bit of research, I decided I wasn't that brave -- certainyl the technology existed even then to do it, but here's what I ran into: requiring a person to learn (via biofeedback) to force certain brainwave patterns, and to repeat them often and for long periods of time, is not necessarily a Good Idea. What research I could find at the time showed that there may be potentially negative effects (inducing epilepsy was one such, in people who had no prior history). But more than that, I mostly found a huge unknown - there were few real studies on how this could affect a person.

    Until such a device can interpret thoughts as we have them, without requiring the user to "think" certain patterns... I think I'll hold off on buying mine.