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What Do You Do When Printers Cost Less Than Ink?

An anonymous reader writes "A family member recently asked me to pick up more ink for her Epson Photo RX 595. Unfortunately, replacing the black and color ink cartridges costs $81.92 + tax at the local store! That's so bad that I got a replacement printer that's just as good, and spare ink, for less. But now I have a useless piece of e-waste that I can't even give away. What can you do with a printer like that? I hate to just throw it away."

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  1. Cheap Printer? by nametaken · · Score: 5, Informative

    Make sure the new printer comes with FULL carts, not the half-or-less carts they often box with the printer.

  2. repurpose, refill by Fry-kun · · Score: 4, Informative

    Well, you could use it for some DIY project. Printers have nice stepper motors and the guiding rod is pretty straight too.
    But it doesn't have to be like that. You could just go buy an ink refill kit and refill existing cartridges

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  3. Convert it to continuous feed inktanks by assemblerex · · Score: 4, Informative

    You can get a set of continuous ink tanks off ebay for about $50 that will give you enough ink capacity to print until the second coming.

    1. Re:Convert it to continuous feed inktanks by Atario · · Score: 4, Informative

      Be very very careful on this.

      I tried one of these "systems" (read: hacked-together kludges) a few years ago, and found out the hard way that these are problematic. You end up with hoses that kink or get caught by the fast-moving and surprisingly powerful print head mechanism, spilled ink, printer hatches that no longer close properly, and many other drawbacks.

      I just wish some manufacturer made a printer with this design inherent to it.

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  4. I Second this by DrYak · · Score: 4, Informative

    The best course of action for this sort of thing is prevention. Keep consumables prices in mind when buying hardware in the first place, get a decent laser printer

    Indeed. Laser might have higher upfront cost, but tend to cost a lot less per page.
    And also, tend to be much more compatible : they simply accept good-old PostScript. (PostScript over Network is the must in terms of compatibility).
    Thus you don't need to hunt for drivers every time Microsoft decide to change driver model or when attempting to switch to Linux.

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    1. Re:I Second this by MayonakaHa · · Score: 4, Informative

      Not very good in my experience. I've worked repairing printers for the past few years so I've been able to get a good look at quality of build on these things. This definitely has put me off of telling anyone to get a Brother machine ever again. For the money it seems to me like buying a refurbished midline HP laser is a good way to go. Something in the 4000/4200 series. Also, I don't get why people insist on Lexmark/Dell machines. Messy as hell, problematic, badly fitting peripherals and pain in the ass maintenance.

    2. Re:I Second this by guruevi · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually, I have done the calculations and the difference between ink/toner is only about 1 or 2c per page (especially once you get to color).

      For a b/w Brother laser printer the cost is 2c/p with remanufactured cartridges, 3c/p with high-capacity cartridges and 4c/p with the standard cartridges
      For a color Brother laser printer the cost is 4c/p black, 4c/p color with new cartridges
      For a Canon Pixma inkjet printer the cost is 3c/p black, 5c/p color with new cartridges

      So if you're a very low volume printer, then lasers are probably not worth the investments. Especially since the very cheap ($99 OkiData color laser for Cyber Monday) have more expensive cartridges ($120/cartridge = $480 to replace all) Off course once you get to HP printers, the costs shoot up (as the cartridges are 3-6x more expensive than the Canon Pixma's). Lasers also print infinitely faster than the inkjets.

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    3. Re:I Second this by PRMan · · Score: 4, Informative

      1. My Brother lasers cost around 1.2c per page, including paper, using the high capacity cartridge.

      2. Canon Pixma is THE CHEAPEST line of color printers there is. By my calculations, it costs about 7c per page. Also, they don't waste your ink or tell you that you can't print anymore (they do, but you can override it and keep printing until the ink actually runs out).

      3. HP costs about 10-12c per page and Epson is as high as 15c (12c-15c).

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  5. Re:buy compatible cartridges by theNetImp · · Score: 5, Informative

    The ink cartrides that come with the printeres are never 100% full, they are only about 25% full. It's just starter ink, to get you to buy more in.

  6. Re:Donate by Anonymous+Cowpat · · Score: 5, Informative

    likewise. I work for a charity which accepts computers, and people keep dumping printers on us. Those of us who work on this stuff are computer people - we do computers, not electro-mechanical devices. We also have a great deal of difficulty testing if any donated printer actually works, since we're loath to put our precious donated cartridges into the printer just to see if it works, IF we can find drivers for them (we have no direct internet access, and most of the machines are win98SE), and can do nothing about it if they don't. Sadly, the people who get asked 'do we want...?' tend to just say 'yes' to offers of printers, and so we waste more and more shelf space with useless printers which we don't want, can't use, and can't send to eastern Europe (which is where we send things) because no-one wants them, and because they certainly can't afford ink for them.

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  7. Re:not a bargain by uglyduckling · · Score: 4, Informative

    Most high-end inkjet printers separate the cartridge from the print head, whilst cheaper ones usually have it as one unit. I think part of the issue is that high-end inkjets have sophisticated head cleaning systems whereas low-end devices typically just have a (non-replacable) sponge inside. Whey reprocess an inkjet cart the print heads get a proper clean before the cart is refilled.

  8. Re:feeBay is the answer by commodore64_love · · Score: 4, Informative

    Yep. I sell all my junk of ebay for a penny ($0.01) plus shipping cost of $20 ($12 actual postage plus $8 to cover incidentals like buying a shipping box, your gasoline, packing foam, etc). SOMEBODY will buy it.

    As for the actual printer, I've learned to buy LASER printers. They have a high initial cost but low-priced ink (~$50 for 5000 pages). The laser printer ends-up being cheaper after you pass 800 pages.

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  9. Monoprice sells ink and toner now by voisine · · Score: 4, Informative

    Monoprice, that awesome, dirt cheap site for (great quality) cables now sells ink and toner, and flatscreen tv mounts. Basically all the stuff the big box stores put obscene markups on.

  10. Re:buy compatible cartridges by Moryath · · Score: 4, Informative

    There are.

    - Does it have a network card?
    - Does it handle duplexing?
    - Can it handle "nonstandard" paper (cardstock, label, etc)?
    - Does it take just the normal 8 1/2x11 paper, or does it go all the way up to 11x17?
    - What's the duty cycle? (number of pages before things like imaging drum and fuser need replacement)
    - Does it use a toner cartridge that costs $80-90 for 6,000 pages, or like the current set of $100 piece-of-shit Sharps, a cartridge that costs $100-120 for a mere 1000 pages?
    - What's the tray capacity? 50, 100, 150, 500, 1000, 5000 pages?
    - How reliable is it? (e.g. can you expect a "random" jam error every 1000 pages, 2000, 2500, 5000...)
    - How much memory does it have?
    - What's its native printing resolution? Does it spit out 600, 1200, or higher DPI, or does it take (for example) a 2000dpi camera image and crunch it down to 600 or even a cheap-ass (looking at you again Sharp) 300 dpi?
    - What form of color calibration does it have, if any? How "true" are the colors it gets from manufacturer-standard cartridges?

    I could go on, but I think you get the point. A cheap piece-of-shit Sharp model won't do for networking an office of 50 people after all, you need something designed robust enough for high volume and a long duty cycle...

  11. Re:Donate by anss123 · · Score: 4, Informative

    I have. Pissed me off.

  12. Re:buy compatible cartridges by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Informative

    If you can live without colour then a cheap laser is still a very good proposition. Even on the "starter" toners it comes with you can get several thousand pages for something that costs under £100 new. Even the colour ones are coming down in price now, although they tend not to be much good for photos and the toners are probably come with even less toner than the black and white ones do.

    Laser prints also last longer and don't smudge as easily as ink.

    I really can't see much point in having a colour inkjet these days. You can buy photo prints online so cheaply now they cost about the same or less than an inkjet costs to run per picture. Oh, and don't forget the cost of photo paper and wastage when you make some little mistake. Maybe it would work out better if you re-filled your cartridges but re-fills tend not to perform as well as originals so won't get you the same quality as online print shops anyway.

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  13. Re:buy compatible cartridges by ShooterNeo · · Score: 4, Informative

    There are hacked cartridges that evade this chicanery. http://cgi.ebay.com/Continuous-Ink-System-For-Epson-R260-R380-RX580-Printer_W0QQitemZ370299562964QQcmdZViewItemQQptZBI_Toner?hash=item563792ebd4

    Our good friends the Chinese have devised all sorts of bypasses.

  14. Get yourself a color laser by Joce640k · · Score: 4, Informative

    ...and get completely off the inkjet treadmill.

    You will NOT regret it.

    The day I switched was when I needed to replace a color in my inkjet, and the new one needed a head clean. By the time it finished cleaning another color needed replacing...rinse, repeat. It took me half an hour to get all the colors working and when I was done a couple of my 'new' cartridges were 25% gone (you want an option to clean a single color? LOL!). I figure it cost me over $20 to print those two pages (and I arrived late for an appointment...)

    It was junked soon after that and I bought a color laser. With the laser I just switch on and print. No muss, no fuss.

    It cost me about the same as three sets of inkjet cartridges and I figure it's going to print ten times as many pages.

    If your printer usage is "occasional" then don't even *think* of buying an inkjet. No, scratch that... just don't buy inkjets, period. Say no. They look cheap in the store but they're the biggest ripoff in IT.

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  15. Re:feeBay is the answer by b4upoo · · Score: 4, Informative

    One can go to the local Walgreen's drug store and get their cartridges refilled for $10. A cartridge will usually last me about one year.

  16. Re:buy compatible cartridges by dcollins117 · · Score: 5, Informative

    How do you keep your ink cartridge from drying out in that amount of time? When we still had a ink jet printer, it seemed like we had to replace the cartridges every couple of months since they would dry out or clog up.

    You just clean the cartridge. I normally send people to http://www.printerhacks.com/how-to-really-clean-an-inkjet-printer-in-5-simple-steps/ for the procedure. It works well.

  17. Re:buy compatible cartridges by Brett+Johnson · · Score: 4, Informative
    I bought one of these Brother B/W laser printers a couple of months ago for US $90 at OfficeMax:

    http://www.brother-usa.com/Printer/ModelDetail.aspx?ProductID=hl2170W

    It comes with wired AND wireless network support built in. It did ship with the lower capacity toner cartridge, but at 1500 pages, it should still last a couple of years at the expected use rate (home office + school kids). The high capacity (2500 page) replacement cartridges were $46 OEM or $27 for generics.

    The ink-jet cartridges for the printer this one replaced cost ~$30 a pop and lasted only a couple of months before they 'dried out' (half full). Even at $46, a 2500 page toner cartridge should last 3 or 4 years.