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Reducing One Amino Acid Could Increase Lifespan

John Bryson writes "Eating less of one amino acid might lengthen your life. There have been lots of previous studies showing that many species live long on highly restricted calories, but a lot of this benefit may be possible by only restricting one amino acid. Amino acids that have shown this have been tryptophan and methionine. A recent study, published online December 2 in Nature, a highly respected journal, may help explain some of the health benefits of restricted-calorie diets."

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  1. No Turkey for you... by icebike · · Score: 3, Funny

    Tryptophan, isn't that the sleep inducing post Thanksgiving Feast drug of the ritual Turkey meal?

    What's methionine found in? Don't tell me, pumpkin Pie...

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    1. Re:No Turkey for you... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      Tryptophan also naturally occurs in bananas. It metabolizes through a few stages into serotonin.

    2. Re:No Turkey for you... by Paltin · · Score: 4, Informative

      Tryptophan inducing the Thanksgiving sleep is a nice myth--- but it's a common amino acid, and is actually in a higher concentration in chicken than turkey.

      The sleep inducing factor in your favorite November holiday is actually the fact that you stuff yourself. Eat four pounds of chicken and gravy, and then we'll see if you stay awake. :)

    3. Re:No Turkey for you... by millennial · · Score: 3, Informative
      Not quite. But yeah, I had the same thought :)

      One belief is that heavy consumption of turkey meat (as for example in a Thanksgiving or Christmas feast) results in drowsiness, which has been attributed to high levels of tryptophan contained in turkey. While turkey does contain high levels of tryptophan, the amount is comparable to that contained in most other meats. Furthermore, postprandial Thanksgiving sedation may have more to do with what else is consumed along with the turkey, in particular carbohydrates and alcohol.

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    4. Re:No Turkey for you... by Psychotic_Wrath · · Score: 3, Informative

      There is more tryptophan in a glass of milk than a serving of turkey

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    5. Re:No Turkey for you... by B3ryllium · · Score: 5, Funny

      Eat four pounds of chicken and gravy, and then we'll see if you stay awake. :)

      I accept the terms of your challenge.

    6. Re:No Turkey for you... by obarthelemy · · Score: 3, Funny

      the conversation ?

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    7. Re:No Turkey for you... by shawb · · Score: 4, Interesting

      True, to get sleepy from the tryptophan in turkey, one would have to figure out how to eat that turkey without eating the other amino acids present... it only promotes sleepiness when consumed on its own.

      However, there is still a twisted nugget of almost truth if you follow one of the current theories on postprandial sedation. The whole chain goes something like this:
      Eating large amounts of starchy food -> increased blood sugar levels.
      elevated blood sugar -> insulin release
      elevated insulin levels -> increased absorption of long chain amino acids into muscle tissue
      increased absorption of long chain amino acids -> decreased blood serum levels of long chain amino acids
      decreased serum long chain amino acid levels -> increased serum ratio of short chain/long chain amino acids
      tryptophan is a short chain amino acid, and higher serum ratios of tryptophan lead to increased production of seratonin and melatonin, leading to sleepiness.

      So yes, there is some tryptophan in turkey. And tryptophan supplements can induce sleepiness, but they need to be taken on an empty stomach to do so. That is because digesting pure tryptophan will also increase the serum ration of tryptophan to other amino acids. However in a traidional thankgsiving feast, it's the massive overload of carbs in the stuffing, corn, bread, mashed potatoes, green bean casserole, sweet potatoes, cranberry marshmallow fluff, pie, whipped cream and even gravy (it's thickened with starch) that lead to the sleep inducing increased serum ratio of tryptophan. Some of the sleepiness can also be blamed on redirecting a good portion of blood flow to the digestive system to tackle the huge meal just consumed. A glass of wine or two can provide enough alcohol for the final KO providing the need to sleep.

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    8. Re:No Turkey for you... by Bent+Mind · · Score: 4, Informative

      anecdotes =/= science

      Not sure what your point was. Were you saying that there isn't any science in your post?

      I found the answer in a wikipedia link provided in another message. The link suggests that the sleepiness is not caused by tryptophan alone. Rather, carbohydrates trigger the release of insulin. Insulin causes muscle to take in LNAA, but not tryptophan. This leaves a larger ratio of tryptophan in the blood to be taken across the blood-brain barrier into the central nervous system. There it is converted into serotonin. The serotonin is metabolized into melatonin. Melatonin makes you sleepy.

      So, tryptophan by itself does not make you sleepy. However, tryptophan combined with carbohydrates leads to the right conditions needed to make you sleepy. It has nothing to do with stuffing yourself. Nor is tryptophan's involvement a myth. It just needs the right conditions. Skip the mashed potatoes and you shouldn't get sleepy from turkey.

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    9. Re:No Turkey for you... by biryokumaru · · Score: 3, Funny

      All I saw was "blah blah blah, we eat roadkill."

      This is probably unfair, but I feel that that aspect of your story diminishes your credibility.

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    10. Re:No Turkey for you... by MobyDisk · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Nor is tryptophan's involvement a myth

      The myth is not that tryptophan is involved. The myth is that tryptophan is the cause, and that Turkey causes sleepiness because of it. The fact that there is a small grain of truth in the myth does not make it any less of a myth. The common everyday belief is incorrect.

  2. One simple rule by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Now I can live longer and get a flat stomach by following ONE simple rule.

  3. Re:Yes, but... by John+Whitley · · Score: 4, Informative

    TFA directly addresses that point:

    Piper and his colleagues don’t know what the correct amino acid balance might be for humans, and he says it would be a nearly impossible feat to adjust people’s diets to get just the right mix. Instead, the team is investigating how tweaking amino acid content in the diet affects cells. If the researchers can identify pathways affected by amino acid imbalances, they might be able to design drugs or other therapies that could give the benefits of caloric restriction without cutting calories.

  4. Re:Prolong life as a what? by Tangentc · · Score: 5, Interesting

    RTFA indeed, if you read as far as the third paragraph you'd know that it was also proven on mice, dogs, and baboons. That makes this pretty likely to apply to humans as well. Though I'm confused as to why the summary says that tryptophan also has this property, as the article doesn't even use the word. I couldn't find the original Nature article, but the linked one certainly said nothing about it.

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  5. Link to actual study by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nature08619.html for the actual study

  6. Amino Acids by LightPhoenix7 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    So... what they discovered is that limiting diets reduce reproduction at the expense of lifespan?

    Color me skeptical, but this is not exactly new. It's well known that limited diets reduce reproductive metabolism in favor of survival. After all, what good is reproduction if you don't live to do it.

    Now, I'm not saying this is all bunk. I don't know. What I am saying is that all this really proves is that methionine is necessary for egg-laying and lifespan in Drosophila. That's a far stretch from saying that reducing methionine increases lifespan in well-fed humans. In fact, what TFA says is that there is a discrepancy in studies. In fact, TFA doesn't even mention tryptophan, so I don't know where the submitter got that.

    Unfortunately, I can't access the Nature article right now. However, I'll definitely be taking a look at it tomorrow, because I am extremely skeptical of these claims.

  7. "A highly respected journal" by bhima · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As a subscriber to Nature I find it interesting that when we're talking about amino acids Nature is a highly respected international weekly journal of science but.... when we're talking climate science it's the nexus of an evil, duplicitous, Socialist, Marxist, environmentalist cabal bent on destroying the fabric of American society.

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    1. Re:"A highly respected journal" by argStyopa · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Neither of the two, actually.
      Nature is a magazine, edited by humans, who have their own collection of baggage and biases. In general, these don't interfere with a generally good job of presenting relatively objective information on science.
      As far as anthropogenic global warming is considered, they're as likely as anyone to fall for the popular hysteria, particularly when it's driven by their own peers.

      Now, you might dismiss this was "ah, he's a denier, he's just parroting his viewpoint" and in a sense I am - a believe global warming is probably a systemic change maybe/maybe not tipped by human activity, and that in any case it's extremely unlikely that it's driven by CO2, or limitable in any meaningful way without genocidal levels of population reduction. There, that's my bias, all clear and present.

      But I'd look directly at Nature and ask when they've made any such clear statement? Clearly, they have a non-challenging editorial stance when approaching the laughable 'science facts' in an Inconvenient Truth (not a whisper from Nature as far as I can recall). Nature IS a respected science journal, that would be a perfect place for the fallacies of the AGW hypothesis to be dissected and the valid conclusions reinforced. But no, instead they seem to prefer the role of mandarins, defending an established dogma without really every looking at it critically or questioning it honestly.

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  8. O_N_L_Y in a Complex System by foobsr · · Score: 3, Insightful

    TFA: "“The idea that only calories are important is basically falling apart,” Fontana says."

    Perhaps one should consider that in complex systems there is no such thing like 'only'.

    CC.

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  9. No tryptophan in TFA by mangu · · Score: 4, Informative

    I am the one slashdotter that reads TFA (the full article) before posting. I even did a search for tryptophan. Nope, it's not there. Maybe the submitter forgot a link, but tryptophan is never mentioned in the sciencenews.org article.

  10. Re:Yes, but... by RAMMS+EIN · · Score: 5, Informative

    ``Ideally, if giving up Trytophan is beneficial with no negative side effects, they'd create a pill that prevents your body from digesting it.''

    Interestingly, there are actually pills that contain tryptophan. Tryptophan is an essential amino acid and is one of the precursors to serotonine. Serotonine is a neurotransmitter, and low serotonine levels are associated with such conditions as depression and anxiety disorders. So people take extra tryptophan (or, more commonly, 5-HTP, the direct precursor to serotonine) to boost serotonine levels.

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  11. Re:Yes, but... by daveime · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Oooh, so naive.

    I don't know about you, but just about every old person I've known has reached a point somewhere or other where they have said "I'm ready to go, I'm tired, I've had enough".

    Now I'm not advocating euthenasia or anything so extreme, but with age comes degeneration, both physical and mental, and for a lot of people, they are prisoners in their own bodeis, wracked with pain and only their daily cocktail of pills keep them functioning even to a limited degree.

    But hell yes, Mr 23-Year-Old-I-Know-It-All thinks we should all "live forever". Wait till you've experience an elderly releative with Alzheimers who gets confused and frustrated because they can't remember what they were doing 5 minutes ago ... or takes an hour to get up because every joint is locked in pain.

  12. Re:Yes, but... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    they might be able to design drugs or other therapies that could give the benefits of caloric restriction without cutting calories.

    I want you to think about how expensive a drug to extend life would end up being. You think world and economic leaders want to see the lifespan of all humans suddenly extended? Regardless of the research and input costs involved in developing a longevity drug, I believe it would probably end up only available to, let's say, a certain "class" of people. I mean, we wouldn't want "those people" to have longer lives, which means they become more numerous, am I right?

    Even a sudden jump of 10 years to human lifespan would cause some social disruption. 20 years or more and the ground starts to shift under our social institutions.

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  13. Re:Yes, but... by justin12345 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Taking a drug is a little easier to do then changing your lifestyle. If these guys can come up with a pill that makes people stay "young" and live 120 years, why shouldn't they get rich?

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  14. Re:Yes, but... by Idiomatick · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "I'm ready to go, I'm tired, I've had enough"

    Hah, that's fucking stupid (no offense). You are talking about people that don't have a choice in the matter, you are talking about acceptance. You are talking about a brave face in front of family. You are talking about a lifetime of preparing for this eventuality.

    If there were a pill that extended their life 10years and increased the quality of life. They'd be fucking horrified of not having that pill. Proof? If they really wanted to die they wouldn't be such pussies about it (srsly, old people are not pussies), and they'd end it themselves. Old people have tons of drugs they could do themselves in with in their sleep.

    You are assuming a 95yrs old extensions. That doesn't have to be the case, might be that 35yrs lasts 5yrs more. I understand that it is easier to deal with death by saying it was his time. Or that he lived a full life. But people in the 1500s said 'he lived a full life' to people dying in their 20s (in the bronze age, a mere 15 yrs old). So our definition of a full life is pretty damn flexible.

    What you are experiencing isn't rational, it is a rationalization, a way of handling with death. Don't use it to make decisions for the future please.

  15. Oh effing great by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Funny

    So what this essentially means is that we can choose between shorter lives and not wanting longer ones.

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  16. Re:Yes, but... by ChrisMaple · · Score: 3, Insightful

    A substance that would extend life by ten years for everyone would be enormously popular. Politicians that attempted to prevent its general availability would find themselves out of office, or find their lifespans shortened.

    Most substances that have been found to enhance health and/or extend the life of people not suffering some severe disease are natural compounds or close analogs. When the formula or source is known, the same sorts of people that now make illegal drugs would be able to make the life extending compound(s). So if the compound is politically suppressed or made too expensive by a monopoly, the black market will step in and make it widely available.

    Even now, countries outside of the country that develops a drug use the threat of manufacturing it themselves to force down the price. There's no reason this pratice won't continue

    A widespread increase of lifespan by 20 years means people can be productive much longer. While greater widespread wealth can possibly be seen as disruptive, it's hardly something to complain about. A greater portion of old people will also cause a greater accumulation of wisdom (good), a balance toward political conservatism (mixed), and more old people trying to steal from the young by political processes (bad). Most of the "social institution" problems are government related, and it's a sure bet that politicians and "social scientists" are going to see and make more trouble than there is trouble inherent to increased lifespans.

    Furthermore, "a sudden jump of 10 years to human lifespan" is absolutely impossible. Even if nobody dies, it takes ten years for lifespan to increase by ten years.

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  17. Re:Yes, but... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It's not politicians that would attempt to prevent the general availability of a longevity drug. It's much more probable that the drug company that held the patent would restrict it's use by keeping the price artificially high.

    Look at the case of ulcer drugs. At one time, anti-ulcer medications were the top money-makers for drug companies. Even long after research showed that ulcers were caused by bacteria, and could be easily cured by cheap generic antibiotics, drug companies tried to suppress that research in order to maintain their profits. Even after it was widely known and accepted by health providers, drug companies spent tens of millions trying to convince doctors that this simple fix was somehow not in their patients' best interest. It's one example of how a profit motive does not favor the public good.

    Currently, drug companies only fund research that is guaranteed to develop drugs that can be patented, ignoring completely commonly available substances that could be beneficial.

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  18. Re:Yes, but... by a+whoabot · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "But people in the 1500s said 'he lived a full life' to people dying in their 20s (in the bronze age, a mere 15 yrs old)."

    Where's the evidence of this? I know that in Iron Age Greece males in their teens and even early twenties would be called ephebes -- not quite fully grown men. Plato suggested in the Republic that only people over 50 years old should rule, and that women should breed from 20-40 and men from 28-55, because these are their "prime" reproductive years. Was he expecting almost no one to breed? He himself lived to 84 years old, and there was nothing particularly spectacular about it. I doubt the Bronze age would be much different.

    Perhaps you are confusing average life expectancy with what is regarded as a "full" life span?

  19. Re:Yes, but... by easyTree · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Apparently you already have something similar in the sense that it's illegal for the US government to use its buying power to secure lower drug prices - as this would 'disadvantage' the drug companies. This is in direct opposition to the stated goal of healthcare.