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Devices To Take Textbooks Beyond Text

An anonymous reader writes with a New York Times piece about the tumultuous transition to electronic devices, instead of printed materials, for text. "Newspapers and novels are moving briskly from paper to pixels, but textbooks have yet to find the perfect electronic home. They are readable on laptops and smartphones, but the displays can be eye-taxing. Even dedicated e-readers with their crisp printlike displays can’t handle textbook staples like color illustrations or the videos and Web-linked supplements publishers increasingly supply. Now there is a new approach that may adapt well to textbook pages: two-screen e-book readers with a traditional e-paper display on one screen and a liquid-crystal display on the other to render graphics like science animations in color."

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  1. Why not have a pc / netbook that can do more for by Joe+The+Dragon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why not have a pc / netbook that can do more for about the same cost?

  2. Change one word and download? by Nefarious+Wheel · · Score: 3, Interesting

    There will be a need to offer complete downloads when a word changes, so that professors may be reimbursed for a new book each term. Either that or the books will arrive as DRM locked on disposable tablets. Or will erase themselves after the term is over. Can't have people re-using books, now...

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    1. Re:Change one word and download? by BKX · · Score: 2, Informative

      This semester's accounting book was like that already for me. The book itself came unbound (just a pile of sheets with holes for a three-ring binder), and had a two-semester subscription to the online version of the textbook. The problem is that the subscription by itself was only $20 less than the book and you had to have it to do the homework. After the next semester, I'll be stuck with a worthless pile of paper (not even as good as a worthless textbook.)

  3. I highly doubt this will take off. by illumastorm · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The e-reader will probably cost in the $500 range to cover cost. Each "book" will still cost $200 and will have to be bought again the next semester. Bookstores themselves most likely will not carry these unless they get a percentage of each reader and "book" sold because they will lose out on the used book sales.

  4. Re:Why not have a pc / netbook that can do more fo by alen · · Score: 2, Funny

    because the next cool and hip thing is a dumbed down, overpriced but cool looking tablet that limit your ability to do whatever you want on a computer.

  5. Re:Why not have a pc / netbook that can do more fo by nomadic · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why not have a pc / netbook that can do more for about the same cost?

    Because PCs/netbooks don't have e-ink screens.

  6. garbage by Hognoxious · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Even dedicated e-readers with their crisp printlike displays can't handle textbook staples like color illustrations or the videos and Web-linked supplements publishers increasingly supply.

    Last time I looked, dead trees don't handle videos and Web-linked[sic] supplements either.

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  7. It's getting better, I suppose by RudeIota · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I think this is one of those ideas that *sound* better than it actually is. In short, adding graphics and video to electronic book readers are the first couple of steps into losing what a 'book reader' should be.

    Many argue that eReaders "just aren't the same" as a real, 3 dimensional book. I agree... both literally and figuratively, I suppose. However, educational text books are perfect for eReaders. They are often enormous, have to be frequently carried around in conjunction with others book and I'm pretty sure most people don't care about how a text book 'feels'. So moving eReaders to book = good idea.

    However, with an LCD screen, this changes things a bit. First, I feel this is losing the focus of what an 'eReader' is. It hasn't lost it yet -- but it is getting there. It blurs the line between an eReader and a Tablet... which could be a little blurry with a laptop already.

    Another drawback over eReaders as we know them is we're going to see a pretty intensive increase in power usage. This is now going to be a device that needs to be charged hourly, depending on the battery size and how much multimedia they plan on packing into this thing. Books don't have videos and while it is neat, again, it is losing focus of being an electronic book and falling into the realm of tablet.

    Take it a couple of more steps with web browsing, a keyboard etc... It's not longer an eReader. Personally, I'd rather have a 'dual screen' laptop that I could types notes on and read at the same time, since I'm going to spend a lot of my time looking in the general direction of an LCD already.

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  8. Re:Why not have a pc / netbook that can do more fo by mark-t · · Score: 2, Informative

    Try reading a pc or netbook screen in direct sunlight. Able to do more doesn't mean diddly when you want contrast, which is what is really required for general reading.

  9. Re:Why not have a pc / netbook that can do more fo by QuantumRiff · · Score: 3, Informative

    Cause an E-Reader uses E-Ink, which only uses electricity when the text changes. It doesn't take any power to show static text, just change it. (unless, of course, you use the low power backlight)

    Nobody wants to charge their textbook a couple of times a day.

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  10. I'll take accurate first, please by grasshoppa · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Given the glaring errors I've seen in just about every school related text book I've ever owned, I'd prefer them work on accuracy before electronic.

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  11. XO by gmuslera · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Here in Uruguay all school childrens have an XO, that have a decent screen for reading text, even under sunlight. If well don't have a dual screen like those, cost less than half of the ones in the article, and can do far more than just reading books. And doing more than just displaying books means that education don't need to be something as passive as reading/memorizing a textbook, and a lot of its activities are oriented to getting student to participate. And we are talking about a device that is around since several years by now.

  12. Students already don't use the texts we have by line-bundle · · Score: 4, Interesting

    In my experience as a professor I found that there are two types of students. Those who get the material without much supporting information, and those who will never get it no matter how many different techniques you use. Bloating textbooks has just made it harder for those interested in the subject to wade through the crap.

    Adding more to already bloated textbooks won't help. I should start a movement for smaller books.

    1. Re:Students already don't use the texts we have by webdog314 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      My daughter recently brought home a Jr. High level biology textbook that was bigger than the ones I had in college as a microbiology major. It had a hard cover with an 8 in. hologram and foil-stamped embossing. Having worked in a high school library, I can understand the hard cover. Kids are hard on textbooks. However, when I was in school our teachers actually told us to take care of the damn things and that we would be held responsible for excessive damages. They gave us covers and encouraged us to use them. Still, I weep that the school was suckered into paying for all those fancy printing extras, especially given that the content hasn't changed all that much since I was learning it, at least at that level. Grade school textbooks are nothing more than the publishing industry's last gasp chance to suck every penny out of a system they have been raping with impunity for decades. Forget ebooks, I want to see more of the free government funded and approved public domain textbooks that you can get online. You need another copy of your science textbook, here, I'll burn you a CD. No laptop or ereader? No problem, I'll just print one out for you for the cost of the paper. Harcourt Brace et al can kiss my fanny!

  13. Well by ShooterNeo · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Note : the e-paper screen on this device is 9.7" diagonal, which is the same size as the display on the kindle DX. Most likely it's the same part number.

    This device is approaching the functionality of a truly useful electronic book. That's enough screen area to make an electronic textbook practical and close to being equivalent to the paper version. The true value of course is that you should be able to fit dozens or hundreds of books onto the machine. Plus : searchability, updates, electronic highlighting, etc.

    Downside : publishers will try to destroy the used book market. They'll use DRM and various access controls to try to force every user to buy a separate copy.

    Upside : open textbooks directly published by professors, available free or for under $15, will be more practical.

    Obviously, the problem this device has is that at $490 it's far too expensive ($200-$300 would probably be a more practical price point). Android is still basically a beta product, and we don't know if the guts of this device are up to snuff. It needs to have a long battery life, a CPU that is beefy enough to not add long delays yet use very little power, and things like an SD card reader.

  14. Re:Why not have a pc / netbook that can do more fo by Kratisto · · Score: 2, Funny

    It's okay, we can have students carry around multiple car batteries. It will end up weighing about the same, anyway.

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  15. Battery life? by pancakegeels · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I would like a *cheap* usb ebook screen so I can reduce the eye-strain when reading text at work/home etc. Why doesn't that exist?

  16. Re:Why not have a pc / netbook that can do more fo by masshuu · · Score: 2, Insightful

    make removable displays in netbooks then. Push in a couple thing and it pops out. You could then stick a new display(say old one was damaged for some reason, or new one has higher res and higher dpi), or pop in a high contrast, black and white e-ink screen

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  17. Re:Why not have a pc / netbook that can do more fo by mark-t · · Score: 2, Informative

    An e-ink reader has less to do with being more compact than a netbook and more to do with being high contrast, and not requiring any power to sustain a static image, which is ideal for something like reading.

  18. Re:Why not have a pc / netbook that can do more fo by ShooterNeo · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Yes, but the idea of a tablet is that it should be much lighter and smaller than a full computer. You'd be able to cart it around like a clipboard and use it in all sorts of industries. Ideally, the tablet would be about the size and weight of the screen on your laptop. It would be running a very low power usage CPU, and would have a power efficient display. Due to the slow CPU, it wouldn't be useful for a lot of things you can do with a laptop, but would be designed for working with lots of 2d documents.

  19. Re:Why not have a pc / netbook that can do more fo by QuantumG · · Score: 5, Funny

    Who are these people who read textbooks in direct sunlight?

    And if you're such an advocate of sunlight, what are you doing posting on Slashdot?

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  20. Re:Problems with textbooks by QuantumG · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You probably care about the subjects you're taking, unlike 90% of students who are just there to jump through the necessary hoops to get the necessary qualifications so they can be mediocre workers.

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  21. Re:Why not have a pc / netbook that can do more fo by rcolbert · · Score: 2, Informative

    Why even get that when I can take a book out of the library for a lot less?

    Because students tend to not check textbooks out of libraries. They buy them for the semester at considerable expense, and then have to lug them around all day. Or did you miss the use-case that this article is about?

  22. Re:Our school system must change to reflect this. by vlm · · Score: 2, Interesting

    There is no excuse for not totally changing our school system.

    Could have just given a link to wikipedia

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Programmed_instruction

    Assuming you're not just making this all up, I would guess you really enjoyed "the little schemer" LISP/Scheme textbook series?

    I'm related by marriage to two school teachers. This is a great plan for teaching math, like you mentioned, such as trigonometric identities. Not so good for creative writing. The other problem is, according to my relatives, and most things I've read online, "teachers" only really "teach" a small portion of the time, the majority is devoted to social worker, surrogate parent, role model, baby sitter/prison guard/overseerer, drill sergent, psychologist, councilor, nurse, etc.

    Also the theory of mind is pretty weak for learning so the programmed courses will be pretty weak. Some folks learn things best in a different order, or by a somewhat different method. Also some folks just skip certain areas, take the hit to the grade and move on. Given that, I don't think your plan will work for everyone in all situations.

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  23. The data format is more important than the device. by lamapper · · Score: 2, Insightful

    There is something about a newspaper, magazine, book, flipping through it that I simply love. I find it relaxing and enjoyable to lazily leaf through a book, magazine or newspaper. Always will.

    I have to admit that if I were searching for a phrase or phrases I would prefer to have it on a computer. Just works better.

    What matters to me more is not the device (hand held, net book, tablet, laptop, PC, desktop, tower, etc...) but the data format.

    I want to purchase my content ONCE, maybe twice if I have too, but not repeatedly for the rest of my life, every three or four years. That it crazy. I was taught at a young age to try to avoid being penny-wise and dollar foolish. I like to purchase things that last. So if you put the content on cheap materials that will not last, your bad, you will lose my business. I would rather save more money, pay a little more and get the data on better materials that will last. Look at furniture, I will not buy cheap furniture that breaks in less than a year. I would rather pay more (its usually not that much more either) and have it last, it should still be in good shape so that I can give it to my grandchildren if I want too. Instead of something cheaply made that will not last till I see my own children. What a waste of money.

    To buy too cheap is penny wise and dollar foolish.

    I apply the same logic to computer hardware and software that is proprietary in nature. Having been burned not just once, not just twice, but many more times than three, I am simply tired of seeing my hard earned money being drained away by insane fees, charges and forced updates. I will pay for innovation, however I am hard pressed to see how spreadsheets, word-processors and database programs have really improved enough to be labeled "innovative" since Windows 95/98. Granted you might have a chance with databases of finding one or two obscure new features that might be a "must have". But not with Spreadsheets and Word-Processors.

    A friend of mine loved WordPerfect, the technical writers would keep finding new ways to apply WordPerfect to their craft, technical writing, literally every day, day in, day out for multiple years. It was not because the product had been improved, though it was, it was because the product was feature rich and would let a master at their craft (word processing, tech writing, etc..) really excel. Word Perfect was the best Word Processor ever. That was years before Word gained only because of Microsoft Office and Microsoft's control of the desktop. Even later when most had switched to Word after Microsoft corrupted their own file formats to force users to upgrade to the new Word, the experts, the technical writers who knew their craft preferred WordPerfect and other Desktop Publishing tools. It just made sense.

    Word did not take over through innovation, but it did take over none the less. We are all poorer for the lack of innovation.

    So the idea of forcing us to buy some proprietary e-reader hardware in order to read a proprietary data format that could just as easily be provided in an open data format is crazy. Quite frankly it is beyond offensive and hardly endears us to your brand.

    We were not born yesterday.

    Even those (probably because they are simply too inexperienced) that have not experienced this kind of FUD, still understand the concept.

    Buy me (book, music, content, etc...) on this device in that format (proprietary of course) and in a couple of years that device (proprietary) will be left without support (because we said so) and not only will you be forced to purchase the content again because of the proprietary data format; but they (proprietary company) will attempt to force me (and you dear reader if you mistakenly bought in the last time) to purchase yet more new hardware (proprietary of course) that offers yet again, no new innovative features.

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