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How Men and Women Badly Estimate Their Own Intelligence

theodp writes "In investigating the question of whether men are smarter than women, British researcher Adrian Furnham came up with some startling results. His analysis of some 30 studies showed that men and women are fairly equal overall in terms of IQ, but women underestimate their own intelligence while men overestimate theirs. Surprisingly, both men and women perceived men being smarter across generations — both sexes believe that their fathers are smarter than their mothers and their grandfathers are more intelligent than their grandmothers. And if there are children, both men and women think their sons are brighter than their daughters."

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  1. They believe it because it's true by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 0, Troll

    Odds are your father or grand father are smarter than their partners. Sure you mom may have a vast wealth of knowledge about shoes or Oprah but that's not of any real use.

    1. Re:They believe it because it's true by Runaway1956 · · Score: 0, Troll

      Depends on how you define "works". If you have a superiority complex, and assume that "our way is the right way", then maybe their system doesn't work. However - they are invading Europe, not the other way around. Their culture is pressing outward, and looking for new territory. European and US culture are being overwhelmed, and if nothing changes, we WILL be outvoted, and overpowered in the foreseeable future. We aren't talking about thousands of years here - I give it 200 years tops. Their population continues to expand, while ours shrinks. So long as immigrants - legal or otherwise - are given the vote, eventually, those voters WILL outnumber the aborigines of Europe, and the recent invaders of the United States.

      Yes, it works. Welcome to reality.

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    2. Re:They believe it because it's true by Runaway1956 · · Score: 0, Troll

      There are none so blind, as he who will not see.

      It means nothing to you that we are no longer a sovereign nation. Nothing at all, right? Anyone from anywhere can waltz in, take up residence, demand social benefits, get a vote - and everything is right with the world.

      The more I hear people talking like this, the more convinced I am that America isn't worth saving. WTF did we go to Afghanistan and Iraq for. (Alright, I can answer half of that - Iraq was all about oil and Little George's desire to measure up to his daddy.)

      Illegal aliens have probably killed half as many people in this country, this year, as Al Queda killed on 9/11/01. Three of them were killed within 20 miles of my home. There seems to be a killing per week in Houston by an illegal. Austin, Dallas, and every other major city within 300 miles of the Mexican border has the same problems.

      But - I'm guilty of protectionism because I would like to see some law and order being imposed on a huge population of 20 million unregistered, undocumented criminals. Geez.

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  2. Re:Variance is the key by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 0, Troll

    Read the article before commenting.

  3. male genital mutilation by BetterSense · · Score: 1, Troll

    Don't forget that in the United States, some 60% of male babies undergo brutal genital mutilation, and nobody gives 2 shits. Female genital mutilation is thoroughly illegal, regardless of any and all cultural, religious, or imagined justifications (as it should be). Slicing off bits of babies is allowed and even encouraged as long as they are male babies.

    1. Re:male genital mutilation by ShooterNeo · · Score: 0, Troll

      It may be mutilation...but it provides strong protection against HIV, a rather deadly disease.

    2. Re:male genital mutilation by mackyrae · · Score: 1, Troll

      Myth. Circumcision's only effect on hygiene is that lazy people find it easier to clean if they're circumcised. On the other hand, scar tissue is *more* susceptible to infection...

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  4. what a suprise. by timmarhy · · Score: 0, Troll
    yet another study bagging men. maybe it's just because they stick out in my mind, but most women i know are dumb as a fucking door nail. now i know some really smart women to, but i cound them on one hand where the type that think about nothing but landing a man and having babies is a dime a dozen.

    how about we do a study on why the fuck studies always concerntrate on proving the current PC flavour of the month, and studies that prove unpopular truths hardly see the light of day.

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  5. Re:If women are so smart . . . by akirapill · · Score: 1, Troll

    Oh please. Men are on average about 12kg larger than women and are much more prone to spousal abuse - It's because of men that domestic violence is framed as a women's issue. According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, women are 7 to 10 times more likely to be injured during an act of violence, while men commit 90% of domestic homicides, and before you start complaining about the unfair treatment men get from public institutions, maybe you should have taken the time to find out that women are much more likely to be convicted for murdering their spouses than men.

    Also, could you please cite statistics for the "commonly shocking occurrence" of women tricking men into raising children that arent' their own, especially in regards to the other "shockingly common occurrence" of men skipping town after getting their partner pregnant? Or women forced to raise children conceived by rape - how's that for "having no say in how the pregnancy turns out"? Just try to tell me with a straight face that men get raped by women as much as women get raped by men. You mentioned molested boys, but do you really think that it's women that are abusing them?

    Your indignation at Americans not taking "men's issues seriously" and then citing examples like rape and domestic violence is absurd since those areas in particular lay bare the fact that men and women's issues are inherently different. If anything, Americans elevate "men's issues" (crime, unemployment, war) disproportionately over other pressing issues, like equality, which you seem to have a seething disdain for (is your solution to racism for minorities to "grow up and take responsibility for all the crap they do" to white people?). Nice straw man, but your meaningless call for women to "as a group decide to grow up" is childish especially since all the "crap" you mentioned is a much worse problem for women.

  6. Re:If women are so smart . . . by lena_10326 · · Score: 0, Troll

    Try finding room at a shelter if you're a man that's been abused in general, especially so if the abuser is a woman

    Woman on man abuse is extremely rare.

    Or having to wait in line after the women have had their shot at the local homeless shelter

    Those shelters are for women with children. Quit trying to cut the line in front of children.

    Good luck getting the police to protect you from an abusive woman.

    In either case, all they do is file a report and tell you to get a restraining order. It's the same procedure for both sexes.

    Or how mysteriously 1/5 of boys being sexually abused is conveniently rounded to virtually nothing when 1/3 of girls being molested is rounded up to most. Here's a hint those numbers are probably almost identical, women just don't admit that that happens to men as well.

    I guess you don't watch daytime talk shows.

    Men are subject to conscription when there's a draft, women aren't.

    And who will take care of the children left behind? Can you breast feed babies?

    Men don't get any say in how a pregnancy turns out, but are still required to pay up in full, even in cases where the woman intentionally got herself pregnant

    Men get a say where they stick their dick.

    Blaming men for things like female insecurity over looks, is just bigoted, that's not something that has anything at all to do with men, that's something that women do to each other.

    I suppose men have nothing to do with the porn industry.. do they?

    The bias isn't going to go away until, women as a group decide to grow up and take responsibility for the crap they do to men.

    You are a blistering idiot. And, probably a drooling pussy of a man who's socially incapable of having any sort of normal relationship with women.

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  7. Re:If women are so smart . . . by shiftless · · Score: 0, Troll

    The patriarchy does harm men, yes. Without the patriarchy, more men would be willing to admit that they'd been beaten, and other men wouldn't ridicule them "for being beat up by a girl." Until it's ok for men to admit that they'd been beaten by a woman and not suffer for it, this won't change. Think about that next time you say or hear someone say "dude, I can't believe that bitch owned you!"

    Any man who allows himself to be beaten up by a woman is a coward, a pussy, and deserves to be ridiculed until he finally mans up, grows a pair of balls, and decides to stand up for himself. What's that, he's too weak to fend off her attacks? That's because he spends 20 hours behind a glowing monitor or TV each day. Men have much higher testosterone levels than women and this allows them to build muscle far easier. For this reason even the strongest woman weight lifter (natural, no steroids) is weaker than most average male weight lifters. I too was a skinny computer nerd in high school who never touched a weight and even then I remember being stronger than most women I knew. Do I feel sorry for some pathetic excuse for a man who lets a woman abuse him? LOL.

  8. Re:If women are so smart . . . by shiftless · · Score: 0, Troll

    Trust me on this, I know from personal experience that women can get away with hitting men in public and people don't do anything about it.

    That's because it's the man's responsibility to take care of himself, not the public's. If I saw a man let a woman punch him or otherwise abuse him in public and not do anything about it, I'd laugh (along with everyone else who witnessed it) and call him a pussy to his face.

  9. Stupid is as stupid does. by SharpFang · · Score: 0, Troll

    The problem with women is that while many of them are quite intelligent and -able- to draw correct conclusions and make connections, they rarely act upon their intelligence, often needing people (men) to try really hard to make them use their heads. Almost as if thinking hurt.

    It's not that they can't act smart, it's that they don't like to. They tend to depend on their intuition and "hunches" ignoring and disregarding the logical conclusions completely. They can come up with an optimal solution to a problem, then apply a suboptimal one because they "like it better". Or they make completely unreasonable demands, being fully aware that the demands are impossible - possibly enjoying seeing the logical man trying to twist his brain around the paradox they force upon him, and deranging him for his inability to solve the impossible (as if it was the most obvious and easy thing in the world).

    Truly evil and twisted creatures they are...

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  10. Re:Uh, pregnancy? by mcgrew · · Score: 0, Troll

    A man must either wear a condom, get invasive surgery, or abstain. Not so a woman; she has a plethora of choices, including lying and saying she's on birth control. And if she decides she doesn't want the baby, she can abort whether he wants it or not. If she chooses to give birth, he pays for the child whether he wants it or not.

    Yeah, that's real fair.