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Barnes & Noble's Nook, Reviewed

harrymcc writes "Barnes & Noble's Nook — the most significant e-reader since Amazon's original Kindle — hits B&N's retail stores today. I've published an extensive review of the device, which is also the first e-reader to run Google's Android OS: It's an interesting and capable gadget in many ways, but the interface — which is sluggish and somewhat quirky — isn't polished enough to render it a Kindle killer."

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  1. Killer by Zerak-Tul · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What e-books need is not a kindle-killer but a dead-tree-killer.

    1. Re:Killer by Tellarin · · Score: 5, Funny

      ... a dead-tree-killer.

      Oh no! We're doomed. How do you kill a tree zombie? They don't have heads to shoot at.

      Aaaahhhhh

    2. Re:Killer by jhoegl · · Score: 5, Funny

      The roots man... go for the roots!

    3. Re:Killer by sh00z · · Score: 5, Informative

      ...get off the dead trees, and environmentalism surrounding recycling paper, or cutting down trees that are grown as a crop.

      I'm going to kill my mod points for this discussion to say emphatically that this comment is NOT INSIGHTFUL, and borders on being deceitful. I hate to cite Wikipedia as a source, but look here for the reasons to recycle paper, even if you believe you're doing the environment some good by landfilling your paper refuse:

      • Raw materials: recycled paper requires only 50% of the weight of raw materials vs wood pulp (the part you don't use in paper--lignin--has already beeb removed)
      • Processing chemicals: Significantly less-hazardous chemicals are required to re-process recycled paper (mostly white) vs wood pulp (mostly brown)
      • Energy consumption: there is 40% less energy required ro recycle paper vs processing new wood pulp
      • pollution output: Recycling causes 35% less water pollution and 74% less air pollution than making virgin paper

      I'm not even going to bother going into how juvenile it is to assume that throwing a piece of paper in the trash==composting it (or that the other organic bits like banana peels and carrot tops don't do a much better and faster job of it than paper would).

  2. Don't Need a Kindle Killer, Exactly by RobotRunAmok · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Just need something that forces Amazon to keep innovating and keep pricing competitive.

    Thanks, B&N!

    1. Re:Don't Need a Kindle Killer, Exactly by AuMatar · · Score: 5, Funny

      Now now, its only fixing if they agree to do that. If they miraculously decide to use the same price without discussion, that's the market at work!

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    2. Re:Don't Need a Kindle Killer, Exactly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Because it simply isn't possible that the cost of materials plus a reasonable markup would come out to the same price. And let's completely ignore the number of other ebook readers that are in the $200-300 range while we're at it. It's all a giant conspiracy.

    3. Re:Don't Need a Kindle Killer, Exactly by N1AK · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The fact that it shares the same price point doesn't imply price fixing or stop it being beneficial to consumers. Firstly, if the B&N device is 'better' it is effectively cheaper than the Kindle. Secondly, if both devices are exactly even then sales should begin to spread between the two, this will encourage one of the parties to drop the price in order to gain the others market share.

      Factor in other benefits like removing some dominance from Amazon's position as ebook superpower, which will hopefully add competition to book pricing and limit anti-consumer licensing/limitations and this seems (as it should) like a good thing for us little people.

    4. Re:Don't Need a Kindle Killer, Exactly by teg · · Score: 5, Informative

      But I'm hopeful. How long did it take before Apple had to allow non-AAC audio files to play on the first-gen iPods? They only did that because other companies started making players that would play the widely available mp3 files.

      iPods were released before the iTunes store, so they have been able to play MP3s even longer than protected AACs.

    5. Re:Don't Need a Kindle Killer, Exactly by hazydave · · Score: 3, Informative

      From what I've read of the Nook, the situation is EXACTLY like it was in the earlier days of the MP3 player, and particularly the iPod.

      You can read any ePub book on the Nook... as long as it's not DRMed... just like the iPod and every other MP3 plays unDRMed MP3 files. It also supports PDB and PDF, after a fashion (fully page PDF is generally unreadable on today's relatively low-rez eBook readers). But it also reads DRMed ePub or PRC.

      For reference, the very first iPods played non-DRMed MP3s... that was never the problem. They also played non-DRMed AAC.

      The problem was that most of the commercially available content was only on AAC files protected with Apple's proprietary DRM. Which is also just the situation today in eBooks. The thing about ePub... it lets any old DRM live inside it. There's a more or less standard DRM from Adobe, and supposedly, the Nook support this... this is also the one used in Sony readers (along with Sony's own proprietary format). But there's also the proprietary B&N DRM, which is based on the Adobe DRM but different in some ways, supposedly. The big problem is that B&N content will presumably only be released in this proprietary format... so it's only readable on the Nook (and whatever PC or PDA based readers B&N decides to release). And some other eBook readers that have content agreements with B&N.

      This is similar to what Amazon did with the Kindle. Their AZW format is a customized version of the Mobipocket file format. The Kindle can read AZW, or unprotected Mobipocket books (MOBI, PRC). Oh yeah, and plain old text files. Thus, while you can read a number of free books, anything commerically available is going to be Kindle only right now, in both directions.

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  3. WiFi by Gopal.V · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Speaking as someone not living in the US ... and hence out of the AT&T whispernet, the fact that this can work over WiFi is a huge plus.

    I'd totally pay 250 US for it, just for kicks. Especially if they'd publish something like a bird watcher's guide, which where I really miss having a ton of searchable content, but without the bulk to carry around.

    1. Re:WiFi by teg · · Score: 4, Informative

      Speaking as someone not living in the US ... and hence out of the AT&T whispernet, the fact that this can work over WiFi is a huge plus.

      I live in Norway, and my Kindle works just fine with the cell network here for downloading books etc.

    2. Re:WiFi by MartinSchou · · Score: 3, Informative

      Sure. And you're paying more for them and getting fewer to pick from.

      Oh, and no Wikipedia surfing for you either.

      And for all that, you get to pay more than in the US. Yay!

  4. To beat Kindle you need better policy by erroneus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Perhaps it is my slashdot bias, but the story about Kindles having books removed from readers' machines still strikes a sour chord with me. I recognize that most consumers don't know a thing about and many don't care. I don't see much difference between book burning and book deleting. To me the reasons, are irrelevant. Abuse will always emerge when opportunity is given.

    1. Re:To beat Kindle you need better policy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Bingo. No Kindle for me. Ever.

      I did want one, and saw myself inevitably getting one when the price reached a reasonable altitude.

      But they wrote me off with that stunt. Now any reader I do settle on must establish to my satisfaction that it does not have that "feature".

    2. Re:To beat Kindle you need better policy by slim · · Score: 3, Informative

      It was a bad decision on Amazon's part, but it was one they made good on in my opinion:

      http://www.crunchgear.com/2009/09/04/big-amazon-will-give-you-back-your-copies-if-1984-annotations-wont-be-sent-into-the-chute/

      I'm not keen on buying DRM'd e-books. But the fact is that in this case, Amazon showed itself to be capable of treating customers right, and of making the right reparations when standards slip.

    3. Re:To beat Kindle you need better policy by erroneus · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And yet they did not issue a firmware update that would remove the easily abused feature.

      When rights are able to be taken away, they are no longer rights -- they are privileges. I'd just as soon buy an actual book.

      Apologizing for behavior is one thing. Making sure it never happens again is quite another.

      With all this DRM everywhere, all we are really ensuring is that 1000 years from now, no one will know who we were or what we did.In the short term, we are losing public domain. In the long, we are losing our identity.

  5. Kindle killer? by jotaeleemeese · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Amazon's reluctance to let the gadget out of the US market earlier makes the Kindle just another e-book reader, it has no iconic status that would warrant the "killer" adjective for any competitors, who are competing against it in equal footing pretty much everywhere.

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    1. Re:Kindle killer? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      Try clicking on the rather prominent "Live outside the US" link. The Kindle has been available outside the US with international 3G internet support for months now.

  6. Chinese generic 13" reader? by your_neighbor · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Which reads any .pdf .djvu .younameit, e-ink, etc?
    They can not be the ultimate quality, but they will put some fire in competition! Then prices will begin to be fair!

  7. Mandatory AT&T contract? by The+Cisco+Kid · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The review mentions AT&T 3G, but I couldn't find any mention of whether a new AT&T contract is required to buy the device at the stated price. If it is, then fsck that. If it isn't, then 'meh'. Its still pretty expensive. Wait for v 2.0.

    Also, if one plugs its USB in, does it appear as 'USB storage', that one can copy PDF's to and be able to read them? Or is one required to use its proprietary software on a proprietary platform to load only special files with DRM?

    And how about on wifi? Can one use any sort of standard protocol (ssh, ftp, smb) to copy PDF's in (or out) and/or can it navigate to an arbitrary URL and download a PDF, or does it only support the device accessing company-specified websites to 'buy' books?

    Bottom line - Mandatory contract bad. Mandatory proprietary software bad.

    1. Re:Mandatory AT&T contract? by CrosseyedPainless · · Score: 3, Insightful

      From the FAQ: No. There is no charge for your nook's wireless features. You do not need a contract.

      As for the file transmisson: B&N is short on details. Since the OS on the nook is Android 1.5, I'm guessing someone will find a way to hack the firmware, even if B&N isn't helping.

    2. Re:Mandatory AT&T contract? by zaq1xsw2cde9 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The Nook is the same as the Kindle in that respect. The contract for service belongs to the device and is lifetime no cost for the owner of the e-book. The 3G company doesn't even know who you are to charge you. That contract is handled between the manufacturer and the 3G company OEM.

    3. Re:Mandatory AT&T contract? by Ephemeriis · · Score: 5, Informative

      The review mentions AT&T 3G, but I couldn't find any mention of whether a new AT&T contract is required to buy the device at the stated price. If it is, then fsck that. If it isn't, then 'meh'. Its still pretty expensive. Wait for v 2.0.

      No new contract, no bills at all. The 3G is free, just like the Kindle's.

      Also, if one plugs its USB in, does it appear as 'USB storage', that one can copy PDF's to and be able to read them? Or is one required to use its proprietary software on a proprietary platform to load only special files with DRM?

      No idea how it works with USB as I don't have one yet, but it does read SD cards... So you could always just throw your files on an SD card to avoid whatever software they think you should be using.

      It will read PDFs and EPUB documents - both of which are more open than what Barnes & Noble is using now. Barnes & Noble has indicated that they plan to move their entire ebook store over to EPUB eventually.

      And how about on wifi? Can one use any sort of standard protocol (ssh, ftp, smb) to copy PDF's in (or out) and/or can it navigate to an arbitrary URL and download a PDF, or does it only support the device accessing company-specified websites to 'buy' books?

      Again, I can't say because I don't have one yet... But it sounds like the WiFi is fairly limited at the moment. There is no web browser and I don't believe you can transfer anything wirelessly... Except for maybe accessing the B&N bookstore over WiFi.

      Bottom line - Mandatory contract bad. Mandatory proprietary software bad.

      The reason I chose a nook instead of a Kindle is the relative openness of the platform. With the SD cards and support for PDF and EPUB format, I figure I can use this thing with basically any content I want - even stuff Barnes & Noble doesn't sell or support. And with the Wi-Fi I can probably maintain my connectivity even if B&N kills the 3G for some reason. And the user-replaceable battery means I don't have to go to great lengths just because the battery is old and flaky - unlike the Kindle.

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  8. A Kindle killer:? by intheshelter · · Score: 3, Informative

    The whole phrasse Kindle killer evokes some epic struggle to knock off the top dog in the market. Right now the iPhone/iPod touch appears to be the number 1 ebook reader. Meanwhile Amazon is afraid to release sales numbers for the Kindle because it would show it has been a disappointing seller.

    I think the Kindle is a good idea, but for a single use device with a very high price it is not going to make any inroads into the market.

  9. Awesome. by purpledinoz · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm glad that more e-readers are starting to come out. I hope to get one after a couple more generations and a huge price cut. Plastic Logic is coming out with an e-reader soon too. Yay for competition.

  10. Sure, We'll Wake You Up... by RobotRunAmok · · Score: 4, Funny

    Wake me up when there's an ebook reader that works more like a real book.
    It should have softish covers, and once you open it, there should be 2 screens inside (one for each page).
    This way the screens would be protected all the time, and it would feel more natural as a reading tool

    Just Curious: How do you handle electronic mail, what with the absence of stamps and envelopes and licking and such?

    1. Re:Sure, We'll Wake You Up... by MartinSchou · · Score: 3, Funny

      Wake me up when there's an ebook reader that works more like a real book.
      It should have softish covers, and once you open it, there should be 2 screens inside (one for each page).
      This way the screens would be protected all the time, and it would feel more natural as a reading tool

      Just Curious: How do you handle electronic mail, what with the absence of stamps and envelopes and licking and such?

      Oh, he still uses stamps and envelopes, but it's hellish expensive for him, having to buy a new monitor every time, and let's not forget that people keep complaining that there's nothing on the monitor once they get their letters.

  11. While it may not be a "Kindle Killer"... by Phoenix · · Score: 5, Informative

    The Kindle does have one disadvantage that is making me give the Nook a stronger look.

    PDF's.

    I buy a lot of Role Playing materials from Steve Jackson Games' "e23" site. They are in very high quality PDF documents and something that can display them without having to lug around a large, heavy, and massively power hungry laptop is a god send.

    However, even though I legally own a copy of the PDF, Amazon refused to convert the PDF into a Kindle Ready file due to (as I was informed) copyright issues.

    The Nook supports PDF out of the box and the internal file storage as well as the expansion slot gives me the room for all of the PDF's that I have.

    So while it might not be a Kindle Killer, it has some features that put it close enough to the Kindle to make it a worthwhile contender.

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    1. Re:While it may not be a "Kindle Killer"... by slim · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Have you considered the Foxit eSlick.

      http://www.foxitsoftware.com/ebook/

      I haven't tried one myself. I'm a bit dubious about the way it's *all* PDF (reflowable text seems better for many kinds of writing). But if PDF works for you, Foxit are among the best at it. Their software PDF viewer is certainly better than Adobe's.

  12. What does a book offer that a reader doesn't? by professorguy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A book offers permanence. Books are created so the only infrastructure required to receive the information within is your brain. And how can you get rid of books authorities no longer like? Well, because of the light infrastructure requirements, you CAN'T. No book burning has ever deleted an entire work from the culture.

    But if a corporation decides to "burn" an e-reader book, can they? They sure CAN! And the book will be gone with no chance of ever discovering an unburnt copy.

    Sorry, no. The function I want is PERMANENCE. That cannot be built into an e-reader.

    1. Re:What does a book offer that a reader doesn't? by Nikkos · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "No book burning has ever deleted an entire work from the culture"

      That we know of.

  13. Kindle PDF Support by swg101 · · Score: 4, Informative

    There was new firmware recently released (Amazon release notes) that adds, among other things like longer battery life, native PDF reader support to the Kindle 2. (Note, the Kindle DX had native PDF support since it was released months ago.)

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  14. Re:Why buy either? by slim · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Definitely e-ink is the feature that makes these special.

      - Much more readable, because it reflects rather than transmits light
      - Readable in bright conditions, for the same reason
      - Low power drain when showing static pages

    Ironically, in a way, e-ink isn't good for much *except* e-readers (yet) because of the cost, the fact it's monochrome and the poor refresh rate.

  15. Re:wtb more booklike reader by tgd · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Have you used an eBook, like daily?

    Its better the way it is. The reading is more natural, its easier to hold, its easier to use than a book in confined settings (or laying in bed, I've found).

    Just because books had facing pages for 400 years doesn't mean its automatically the ultimate user experience for reading ...

  16. Re:Why buy either? by Ephemeriis · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Could someone please explain the advantage of a dedicated e-book reader? I don't understand why I would buy either when I can get a netbook for $50 more (at worst) that can read both PDFs and Amazon e-books. Is it the battery life of these things, or is the hardware form factor really nice? I don't know.

    The battery life is generally rated in days, as opposed to hours.

    They are typically shaped more like a book or slate, and less like a laptop. A netbook is going to have the keyboard sticking out of the bottom and the screen is oriented horizontally rather than vertically.

    The e-ink screen is more like a printed page, and easier to read under similar lighting conditions. LCDs typically have problems with bright light, and can cause eye strain after prolonged reading.

    Both the Kindle and the nook offer free 3G to purchase ebooks, which your netbook probably wouldn't.

    If you don't read much and you just want something that can display a PDF, obviously an ebook reader isn't going to be necessary. Just throw it at your computer.

    But if you read for recreation, an ebook reader can be very nice. It allows you to condense a huge book into a very small and portable form factor. It allows you to carry a large selection of books with you. It allows you to quickly and easily purchase more books without having to locate the nearest bookstore. And it is designed to allow you to keep reading for hour after hour, day after day.

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  17. Library of Alexandria by tepples · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No book burning has ever deleted an entire work from the culture.

    Are you sure no works died with the Library of Alexandria?