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Barnes & Noble's Nook, Reviewed

harrymcc writes "Barnes & Noble's Nook — the most significant e-reader since Amazon's original Kindle — hits B&N's retail stores today. I've published an extensive review of the device, which is also the first e-reader to run Google's Android OS: It's an interesting and capable gadget in many ways, but the interface — which is sluggish and somewhat quirky — isn't polished enough to render it a Kindle killer."

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  1. Killer by Zerak-Tul · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What e-books need is not a kindle-killer but a dead-tree-killer.

    1. Re:Killer by Tellarin · · Score: 5, Funny

      ... a dead-tree-killer.

      Oh no! We're doomed. How do you kill a tree zombie? They don't have heads to shoot at.

      Aaaahhhhh

    2. Re:Killer by jhoegl · · Score: 5, Funny

      The roots man... go for the roots!

    3. Re:Killer by sh00z · · Score: 5, Informative

      ...get off the dead trees, and environmentalism surrounding recycling paper, or cutting down trees that are grown as a crop.

      I'm going to kill my mod points for this discussion to say emphatically that this comment is NOT INSIGHTFUL, and borders on being deceitful. I hate to cite Wikipedia as a source, but look here for the reasons to recycle paper, even if you believe you're doing the environment some good by landfilling your paper refuse:

      • Raw materials: recycled paper requires only 50% of the weight of raw materials vs wood pulp (the part you don't use in paper--lignin--has already beeb removed)
      • Processing chemicals: Significantly less-hazardous chemicals are required to re-process recycled paper (mostly white) vs wood pulp (mostly brown)
      • Energy consumption: there is 40% less energy required ro recycle paper vs processing new wood pulp
      • pollution output: Recycling causes 35% less water pollution and 74% less air pollution than making virgin paper

      I'm not even going to bother going into how juvenile it is to assume that throwing a piece of paper in the trash==composting it (or that the other organic bits like banana peels and carrot tops don't do a much better and faster job of it than paper would).

  2. Don't Need a Kindle Killer, Exactly by RobotRunAmok · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Just need something that forces Amazon to keep innovating and keep pricing competitive.

    Thanks, B&N!

    1. Re:Don't Need a Kindle Killer, Exactly by AuMatar · · Score: 5, Funny

      Now now, its only fixing if they agree to do that. If they miraculously decide to use the same price without discussion, that's the market at work!

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    2. Re:Don't Need a Kindle Killer, Exactly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Because it simply isn't possible that the cost of materials plus a reasonable markup would come out to the same price. And let's completely ignore the number of other ebook readers that are in the $200-300 range while we're at it. It's all a giant conspiracy.

    3. Re:Don't Need a Kindle Killer, Exactly by N1AK · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The fact that it shares the same price point doesn't imply price fixing or stop it being beneficial to consumers. Firstly, if the B&N device is 'better' it is effectively cheaper than the Kindle. Secondly, if both devices are exactly even then sales should begin to spread between the two, this will encourage one of the parties to drop the price in order to gain the others market share.

      Factor in other benefits like removing some dominance from Amazon's position as ebook superpower, which will hopefully add competition to book pricing and limit anti-consumer licensing/limitations and this seems (as it should) like a good thing for us little people.

    4. Re:Don't Need a Kindle Killer, Exactly by teg · · Score: 5, Informative

      But I'm hopeful. How long did it take before Apple had to allow non-AAC audio files to play on the first-gen iPods? They only did that because other companies started making players that would play the widely available mp3 files.

      iPods were released before the iTunes store, so they have been able to play MP3s even longer than protected AACs.

    5. Re:Don't Need a Kindle Killer, Exactly by Rolgar · · Score: 2, Informative

      Don't forget rounding to a 'round number,' because even if costs plus 20% markup adds up to $242, that isn't going to be the price, they're either going to go with $250 to be competitive (don't want to be seen as cheap) or $225 or $240.

      All of that comes down to a self and market study generated number that indicates value. Depending on how the product will be seen compared to the top (most visible) competitor, they can go for 4 images. They can go for cheapest that fills the most basic need, similar utility at a cheaper price, similar utility at the same price, or higher utility at a premium price. Then, based on what the executives and marketers decide is the best price for both immediate and long term market positioning, a price is picked. Pricing is a mix of science and art, and some get it right, and some get it wrong.

    6. Re:Don't Need a Kindle Killer, Exactly by hazydave · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Sometimes it's price fixing, sometimes it's market observation. It's not just the Kindle, but Sony and others being sold at or around this price point. That shows B&N that such hardware will move at that price, but also, that the will likely have trouble selling it at a higher price. So they set the price based on the competition... and yeah, this has very little to do with the actual cost.

      In fact, if the cost were half of what Amazon's paying, they might still launch at the higher price, just to be taken seriously as a Kindle alternative. Like Amazon, B&N will be making lots of money on eBook sales if this is successful, so even if they're paying much more than Amazon, or even selling at cost, they're not going to charge more.

      What is clear, so far, is that B&N's eBook prices do seem to be a bit higher than Amazon's. Anyone looking seriously at these devices has to consider the cost and availability of content... the price of the eBook reader will ultimately be a drop in the bucket.

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    7. Re:Don't Need a Kindle Killer, Exactly by hazydave · · Score: 3, Informative

      From what I've read of the Nook, the situation is EXACTLY like it was in the earlier days of the MP3 player, and particularly the iPod.

      You can read any ePub book on the Nook... as long as it's not DRMed... just like the iPod and every other MP3 plays unDRMed MP3 files. It also supports PDB and PDF, after a fashion (fully page PDF is generally unreadable on today's relatively low-rez eBook readers). But it also reads DRMed ePub or PRC.

      For reference, the very first iPods played non-DRMed MP3s... that was never the problem. They also played non-DRMed AAC.

      The problem was that most of the commercially available content was only on AAC files protected with Apple's proprietary DRM. Which is also just the situation today in eBooks. The thing about ePub... it lets any old DRM live inside it. There's a more or less standard DRM from Adobe, and supposedly, the Nook support this... this is also the one used in Sony readers (along with Sony's own proprietary format). But there's also the proprietary B&N DRM, which is based on the Adobe DRM but different in some ways, supposedly. The big problem is that B&N content will presumably only be released in this proprietary format... so it's only readable on the Nook (and whatever PC or PDA based readers B&N decides to release). And some other eBook readers that have content agreements with B&N.

      This is similar to what Amazon did with the Kindle. Their AZW format is a customized version of the Mobipocket file format. The Kindle can read AZW, or unprotected Mobipocket books (MOBI, PRC). Oh yeah, and plain old text files. Thus, while you can read a number of free books, anything commerically available is going to be Kindle only right now, in both directions.

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  3. WiFi by Gopal.V · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Speaking as someone not living in the US ... and hence out of the AT&T whispernet, the fact that this can work over WiFi is a huge plus.

    I'd totally pay 250 US for it, just for kicks. Especially if they'd publish something like a bird watcher's guide, which where I really miss having a ton of searchable content, but without the bulk to carry around.

    1. Re:WiFi by teg · · Score: 4, Informative

      Speaking as someone not living in the US ... and hence out of the AT&T whispernet, the fact that this can work over WiFi is a huge plus.

      I live in Norway, and my Kindle works just fine with the cell network here for downloading books etc.

    2. Re:WiFi by MartinSchou · · Score: 3, Informative

      Sure. And you're paying more for them and getting fewer to pick from.

      Oh, and no Wikipedia surfing for you either.

      And for all that, you get to pay more than in the US. Yay!

  4. To beat Kindle you need better policy by erroneus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Perhaps it is my slashdot bias, but the story about Kindles having books removed from readers' machines still strikes a sour chord with me. I recognize that most consumers don't know a thing about and many don't care. I don't see much difference between book burning and book deleting. To me the reasons, are irrelevant. Abuse will always emerge when opportunity is given.

    1. Re:To beat Kindle you need better policy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Bingo. No Kindle for me. Ever.

      I did want one, and saw myself inevitably getting one when the price reached a reasonable altitude.

      But they wrote me off with that stunt. Now any reader I do settle on must establish to my satisfaction that it does not have that "feature".

    2. Re:To beat Kindle you need better policy by slim · · Score: 3, Informative

      It was a bad decision on Amazon's part, but it was one they made good on in my opinion:

      http://www.crunchgear.com/2009/09/04/big-amazon-will-give-you-back-your-copies-if-1984-annotations-wont-be-sent-into-the-chute/

      I'm not keen on buying DRM'd e-books. But the fact is that in this case, Amazon showed itself to be capable of treating customers right, and of making the right reparations when standards slip.

    3. Re:To beat Kindle you need better policy by erroneus · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And yet they did not issue a firmware update that would remove the easily abused feature.

      When rights are able to be taken away, they are no longer rights -- they are privileges. I'd just as soon buy an actual book.

      Apologizing for behavior is one thing. Making sure it never happens again is quite another.

      With all this DRM everywhere, all we are really ensuring is that 1000 years from now, no one will know who we were or what we did.In the short term, we are losing public domain. In the long, we are losing our identity.

    4. Re:To beat Kindle you need better policy by IndustrialComplex · · Score: 2, Informative

      If you bought a stolen physical book, that book can be taken back from you. The fact that its unlikely to happen is not relevant to the discussion. Amazon did better than you'd get if you bought stolen goods -- they refunded the money. If you bought virtually any other stolen item, you'd be out the item and your money.

      Something else that isn't relevant are comparisons to stolen goods.

      These people did NOT buy stolen goods. It would be a stretch to even call them counterfeit goods.

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    5. Re:To beat Kindle you need better policy by Mr2001 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Are you sure? Wikipedia disagrees:

      Nineteen Eighty-Four will not enter the US public domain until 2044,[13] and in the European Union until 2020, although it is in the public domain in Canada,[14] Russia,[15] and Australia.[16]

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    6. Re:To beat Kindle you need better policy by lymond01 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'd mod you up but you're already at +5. My concern is that Amazon's example reminded people that with everything electronic, data can be changed with or without our permission. Tough for someone to walk into your house and remove your book without at least some defense on your part. But if a company can just click a button and remove your property without your permission or knowledge, we're walking right into Orwell's 1984, only we won't need thousands of people editing newspapers...just a small team to make the edits to the electronic newspaper editions, book bannings, etc.

      Not saying my tinfoil hat is on, but Amazon's deletion of personal property means I'm wearing it sombrero style on my back with a string around my neck.

    7. Re:To beat Kindle you need better policy by Stray7Xi · · Score: 2, Informative

      And yet they did not issue a firmware update that would remove the easily abused feature.

      The fault is the law, not Amazon. The copyright status of this book is confusing enough that an honest mistake was made by a publisher that sold an unlicensed book on Amazon. The extreme penalties associated with this mistake could have killed off the whole kindle product line with a massive judgment.

      Patching this "feature" out would be pointless at this point, because it can always be patched back in if they ever want to recall again. The customers were rightfully upset so Amazon had to make a policy. They say they will recall a book for:
      1. Fraud(book was never purchased)
      2. Malware (book causes system problems)
      3. Customer asks for a refund
      4. Legal judgment (which means they jumped the gun for 1984)

      Any future court case on any future e-reader the publisher will request a remote wipe. Not having the feature would not prevent a judge from ordering it. Judges have made odd computer demands without concern for ability before. Such as a judge ordering the contents of RAM for discovery:
      http://ralphlosey.wordpress.com/2007/09/02/judge-affirms-magistrates-decision-in-the-ram-memory-case-no-minimum-storage-time-for-electronic-information-before-it-is-discoverable/

      I think Amazon's response was awesome. They acted promptly, kept their customers informed, refunded then ultimately restored without loss of personal annotations and publicly responded to criticism.

      If this was Microsoft, opening the book would suddenly start giving generic error messages without any explanation. After a lot of support runaround you'd finally get an explanation. With further customer service complaints you'd be given store credit but each CSR would give varying amounts to customers. Annotations would be permanently lost.

  5. Kindle killer? by jotaeleemeese · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Amazon's reluctance to let the gadget out of the US market earlier makes the Kindle just another e-book reader, it has no iconic status that would warrant the "killer" adjective for any competitors, who are competing against it in equal footing pretty much everywhere.

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    1. Re:Kindle killer? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      Try clicking on the rather prominent "Live outside the US" link. The Kindle has been available outside the US with international 3G internet support for months now.

    2. Re:Kindle killer? by ifchairscouldtalk · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Personally I'm not so sure that it is the belated international availability which dwarfs the iconic status of the Kindle. The iPhone too was only available for the US market for a long while. Certainly, the unavailability of a product doesn't help its popularity, but many other factors (not all imputable to Amazon itself), contribute to the somewhat limited extent to which people around the world have reacted to the "revolution" which Amazon was hoping to bring with its device.

  6. Chinese generic 13" reader? by your_neighbor · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Which reads any .pdf .djvu .younameit, e-ink, etc?
    They can not be the ultimate quality, but they will put some fire in competition! Then prices will begin to be fair!

    1. Re:Chinese generic 13" reader? by bazorg · · Score: 2, Informative

      not with 13", but there is a similar thing on ebuyer.com. £120, no DRM.

  7. Mandatory AT&T contract? by The+Cisco+Kid · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The review mentions AT&T 3G, but I couldn't find any mention of whether a new AT&T contract is required to buy the device at the stated price. If it is, then fsck that. If it isn't, then 'meh'. Its still pretty expensive. Wait for v 2.0.

    Also, if one plugs its USB in, does it appear as 'USB storage', that one can copy PDF's to and be able to read them? Or is one required to use its proprietary software on a proprietary platform to load only special files with DRM?

    And how about on wifi? Can one use any sort of standard protocol (ssh, ftp, smb) to copy PDF's in (or out) and/or can it navigate to an arbitrary URL and download a PDF, or does it only support the device accessing company-specified websites to 'buy' books?

    Bottom line - Mandatory contract bad. Mandatory proprietary software bad.

    1. Re:Mandatory AT&T contract? by CrosseyedPainless · · Score: 3, Insightful

      From the FAQ: No. There is no charge for your nook's wireless features. You do not need a contract.

      As for the file transmisson: B&N is short on details. Since the OS on the nook is Android 1.5, I'm guessing someone will find a way to hack the firmware, even if B&N isn't helping.

    2. Re:Mandatory AT&T contract? by zaq1xsw2cde9 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The Nook is the same as the Kindle in that respect. The contract for service belongs to the device and is lifetime no cost for the owner of the e-book. The 3G company doesn't even know who you are to charge you. That contract is handled between the manufacturer and the 3G company OEM.

    3. Re:Mandatory AT&T contract? by Ephemeriis · · Score: 5, Informative

      The review mentions AT&T 3G, but I couldn't find any mention of whether a new AT&T contract is required to buy the device at the stated price. If it is, then fsck that. If it isn't, then 'meh'. Its still pretty expensive. Wait for v 2.0.

      No new contract, no bills at all. The 3G is free, just like the Kindle's.

      Also, if one plugs its USB in, does it appear as 'USB storage', that one can copy PDF's to and be able to read them? Or is one required to use its proprietary software on a proprietary platform to load only special files with DRM?

      No idea how it works with USB as I don't have one yet, but it does read SD cards... So you could always just throw your files on an SD card to avoid whatever software they think you should be using.

      It will read PDFs and EPUB documents - both of which are more open than what Barnes & Noble is using now. Barnes & Noble has indicated that they plan to move their entire ebook store over to EPUB eventually.

      And how about on wifi? Can one use any sort of standard protocol (ssh, ftp, smb) to copy PDF's in (or out) and/or can it navigate to an arbitrary URL and download a PDF, or does it only support the device accessing company-specified websites to 'buy' books?

      Again, I can't say because I don't have one yet... But it sounds like the WiFi is fairly limited at the moment. There is no web browser and I don't believe you can transfer anything wirelessly... Except for maybe accessing the B&N bookstore over WiFi.

      Bottom line - Mandatory contract bad. Mandatory proprietary software bad.

      The reason I chose a nook instead of a Kindle is the relative openness of the platform. With the SD cards and support for PDF and EPUB format, I figure I can use this thing with basically any content I want - even stuff Barnes & Noble doesn't sell or support. And with the Wi-Fi I can probably maintain my connectivity even if B&N kills the 3G for some reason. And the user-replaceable battery means I don't have to go to great lengths just because the battery is old and flaky - unlike the Kindle.

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  8. A Kindle killer:? by intheshelter · · Score: 3, Informative

    The whole phrasse Kindle killer evokes some epic struggle to knock off the top dog in the market. Right now the iPhone/iPod touch appears to be the number 1 ebook reader. Meanwhile Amazon is afraid to release sales numbers for the Kindle because it would show it has been a disappointing seller.

    I think the Kindle is a good idea, but for a single use device with a very high price it is not going to make any inroads into the market.

  9. Awesome. by purpledinoz · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm glad that more e-readers are starting to come out. I hope to get one after a couple more generations and a huge price cut. Plastic Logic is coming out with an e-reader soon too. Yay for competition.

  10. Sure, We'll Wake You Up... by RobotRunAmok · · Score: 4, Funny

    Wake me up when there's an ebook reader that works more like a real book.
    It should have softish covers, and once you open it, there should be 2 screens inside (one for each page).
    This way the screens would be protected all the time, and it would feel more natural as a reading tool

    Just Curious: How do you handle electronic mail, what with the absence of stamps and envelopes and licking and such?

    1. Re:Sure, We'll Wake You Up... by MartinSchou · · Score: 3, Funny

      Wake me up when there's an ebook reader that works more like a real book.
      It should have softish covers, and once you open it, there should be 2 screens inside (one for each page).
      This way the screens would be protected all the time, and it would feel more natural as a reading tool

      Just Curious: How do you handle electronic mail, what with the absence of stamps and envelopes and licking and such?

      Oh, he still uses stamps and envelopes, but it's hellish expensive for him, having to buy a new monitor every time, and let's not forget that people keep complaining that there's nothing on the monitor once they get their letters.

  11. While it may not be a "Kindle Killer"... by Phoenix · · Score: 5, Informative

    The Kindle does have one disadvantage that is making me give the Nook a stronger look.

    PDF's.

    I buy a lot of Role Playing materials from Steve Jackson Games' "e23" site. They are in very high quality PDF documents and something that can display them without having to lug around a large, heavy, and massively power hungry laptop is a god send.

    However, even though I legally own a copy of the PDF, Amazon refused to convert the PDF into a Kindle Ready file due to (as I was informed) copyright issues.

    The Nook supports PDF out of the box and the internal file storage as well as the expansion slot gives me the room for all of the PDF's that I have.

    So while it might not be a Kindle Killer, it has some features that put it close enough to the Kindle to make it a worthwhile contender.

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    1. Re:While it may not be a "Kindle Killer"... by slim · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Have you considered the Foxit eSlick.

      http://www.foxitsoftware.com/ebook/

      I haven't tried one myself. I'm a bit dubious about the way it's *all* PDF (reflowable text seems better for many kinds of writing). But if PDF works for you, Foxit are among the best at it. Their software PDF viewer is certainly better than Adobe's.

    2. Re:While it may not be a "Kindle Killer"... by tool462 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I picked up a netbook not too long ago that has proved quite suited to the task. Granted, it does consume more power and weigh more than a Kindle/Nook/eReader, but the numbers aren't bad.

      Weight: 3 lbs. I have plain old dead-tree books that are this heavy.
      Battery life: 6-11 hours of actual use. The 6 hours is with the screen brightness all the way up, Wifi on, and doing enough work to keep the CPU and hard drives cranking. I treat it kind of like a cell phone, use it all day, plug it in to charge overnight.

      And on an actual computer, you don't have to worry about weird formatting issues. You can zoom in and scroll around without having to wait for the screen to refresh. The display is significantly larger, and in color.

      And to top it all of, the price was about the same. eBooks may still have a future, but from what I've seen they still have a ways to go.

  12. Re:wtb more booklike reader by peater · · Score: 2, Informative

    While I agree that an ebook reader can't compete with the soft touch and feel of a book yet, you really ought to try one. I've got a Sony Reader and its really not all that bad. The absence of backlighting makes it really easy on the eye, I charge the battery once in a couple of weeks -- admittedly I don't spend TOO much time reading -- but yes the battery life is reasonably long and the reader comes with a soft cover so you can hold it like a book although it still has one screen (yes the cover protects the screen as well).

    What I like about e-readers is that I can read multiple books in parallel -- depending on my mood, I just pick one and continue where I left off and switch to something else when I get bored (ADD?). The one thing I'm missing with my reader (its an older model) is a built-in dictionary which I believe Kindle and Nook both have. The newer versions of the Sony Reader have them too along with note taking features. But yeah, its quite a nice gadget and I've done hours of fun reading on it. If you can get your hands on one (borrow?) for a short while, give it a shot. Takes a getting used to but you might be pleasantly surprised.

  13. What does a book offer that a reader doesn't? by professorguy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A book offers permanence. Books are created so the only infrastructure required to receive the information within is your brain. And how can you get rid of books authorities no longer like? Well, because of the light infrastructure requirements, you CAN'T. No book burning has ever deleted an entire work from the culture.

    But if a corporation decides to "burn" an e-reader book, can they? They sure CAN! And the book will be gone with no chance of ever discovering an unburnt copy.

    Sorry, no. The function I want is PERMANENCE. That cannot be built into an e-reader.

    1. Re:What does a book offer that a reader doesn't? by Nikkos · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "No book burning has ever deleted an entire work from the culture"

      That we know of.

  14. Kindle PDF Support by swg101 · · Score: 4, Informative

    There was new firmware recently released (Amazon release notes) that adds, among other things like longer battery life, native PDF reader support to the Kindle 2. (Note, the Kindle DX had native PDF support since it was released months ago.)

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  15. Why buy either? by dfdashh · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Could someone please explain the advantage of a dedicated e-book reader? I don't understand why I would buy either when I can get a netbook for $50 more (at worst) that can read both PDFs and Amazon e-books. Is it the battery life of these things, or is the hardware form factor really nice? I don't know.

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    1. Re:Why buy either? by slim · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Definitely e-ink is the feature that makes these special.

        - Much more readable, because it reflects rather than transmits light
        - Readable in bright conditions, for the same reason
        - Low power drain when showing static pages

      Ironically, in a way, e-ink isn't good for much *except* e-readers (yet) because of the cost, the fact it's monochrome and the poor refresh rate.

    2. Re:Why buy either? by Ephemeriis · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Could someone please explain the advantage of a dedicated e-book reader? I don't understand why I would buy either when I can get a netbook for $50 more (at worst) that can read both PDFs and Amazon e-books. Is it the battery life of these things, or is the hardware form factor really nice? I don't know.

      The battery life is generally rated in days, as opposed to hours.

      They are typically shaped more like a book or slate, and less like a laptop. A netbook is going to have the keyboard sticking out of the bottom and the screen is oriented horizontally rather than vertically.

      The e-ink screen is more like a printed page, and easier to read under similar lighting conditions. LCDs typically have problems with bright light, and can cause eye strain after prolonged reading.

      Both the Kindle and the nook offer free 3G to purchase ebooks, which your netbook probably wouldn't.

      If you don't read much and you just want something that can display a PDF, obviously an ebook reader isn't going to be necessary. Just throw it at your computer.

      But if you read for recreation, an ebook reader can be very nice. It allows you to condense a huge book into a very small and portable form factor. It allows you to carry a large selection of books with you. It allows you to quickly and easily purchase more books without having to locate the nearest bookstore. And it is designed to allow you to keep reading for hour after hour, day after day.

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  16. You should read the review. by wiredog · · Score: 2, Informative

    It makes extensive mention of BN's support for epub.

  17. Re:wtb more booklike reader by tgd · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Have you used an eBook, like daily?

    Its better the way it is. The reading is more natural, its easier to hold, its easier to use than a book in confined settings (or laying in bed, I've found).

    Just because books had facing pages for 400 years doesn't mean its automatically the ultimate user experience for reading ...

  18. Library of Alexandria by tepples · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No book burning has ever deleted an entire work from the culture.

    Are you sure no works died with the Library of Alexandria?

  19. cars not for me yet by zaq1xsw2cde9 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Reading a book scrolling is a much harder way to read compared to flipping pages. Besides, if your e-ink scrolled you would eat your battery up as fast as... well, as fast as an LCD.

    Saying you will wait for e-ink to scroll before you try it is like saying you won't buy a car until they hover, fly and go 500MPH.

    But, I guess that's your prerogative.

    Incidentally, my spell checker made me investigate... I've always heard the word pronounced "perogative", not with an extra "r" in there, but I realize now that I've never seen the word written down. Odd. Anyone have any light to shed on that?

  20. Re:Learn Your History by boristhespider · · Score: 2, Insightful

    He also seems unaware that pretty much every eBook reader will read a wide variety of formats from ASCII through to proprietry formats. It's the DRM that's the killer. But I suspect he knows this, and he's actually meaning Apple's decision to strip the DRM from iTunes rather than letting iPods play MP3s. In a similar vein, we can hope that the Kindle dies an exceedingly ugly death and the other vendors all strip the DRM from their ePubs, which would be more or less the equivalent scenario..

  21. Re:Meh by slim · · Score: 2, Informative

    Do people actually do this? Do folks actually read in the bathtub?

    Don't the pages get all weird from the humidity? What if you drop your book in the water? Don't your wet hands mess up the pages?

    Short answer: yes people do.

    There are obstacles of course, but once you're settled down there are few things as relaxing.

    I'm sure everyone has their own routines. One way is to lower oneself into the bath while holding the book, without getting either hand wet. Another is to put the book on a reachable dry surface, then get into the bath, then towel your hands dry, and get the book.

    When it's time to stop reading and start washing, toss the book onto a dry surface. I've never found that the temporary humidity did lasting damage to a book. Dropping one in is obviously disastrous.

    Best only read light paperbacks or magazines in the bath.

  22. Re:Meh by jabelli · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Reading in the tub is the killer app for e-books.

    Just put your nook or kindle or sony or whatever in a zip-lock bag, and you don't have to worry about it getting wet.

  23. Broken Record by fm6 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I am so tired of hearing "e-readers will never replace books" arguments, as if it were an all-or-nothing thing. I can well imagine stone carvers makers the same "permanence" argument against books.

    E-readers still can't do a lot of what books do, but so what? Half the books I read, I read once, then give them away or return them to the library. For these, an e-reader is perfectly fine. And as the technology advances, a physical book will have fewer and fewer advantages.

    Frankly, I think all this strident ranting against e-books is just people resisting having to learn new ways of doing things. Which is fine for them, but why must they lecture the rest of us all the time?

    And as a writer myself, I have very little patience when this attitude shows up in the people I work with. In particular, it's a pain when editors and reviewers insist on physical copies so they can scribble comments in the margin. So then I have to decipher their handwriting and cryptic comments. And once, when I did an actual mass-market book, the publisher's editor and I had to FedEx pages back and forth, at great cost in time and money. Learn to use Acrobat, people!

  24. Re:wtb more booklike reader by timothy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Different strokes / different folks, I realize, but by way of contrast: I have some other objections to most eBook readers (which I feel getting worn away by interest / curiosity / gadget lust), but I really like that the trend so far is for *single*-screen devices. I like to read books, but I also like to eat or drink while I'm reading. There are all sorts of contrivances for keeping books open and angled at a table, and there are some chairs where it's not too hard, but I've spilled a lot of drinks / dropped a lot of crumbs because I was using one hand to hold the book open and one hand for the food -- I think this would be a lot simpler to avoid with a one-screen device, esp. with a simple angled stand.

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