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Apple Counter-Sues Nokia Over Patents

adeelarshad82 writes "About two months ago Nokia sued Apple for infringing Nokia patents in its iPhone. The 10 patents in the lawsuit, filed in the US state of Delaware, relate to technologies fundamental for devices using GSM, UMTS and/or local area network (LAN) standards. The patents cover wireless data, speech coding, security and encryption and are infringed by all Apple iPhone models shipped since the iPhone was introduced in 2007. In the latest development to the case, Apple said Friday that it had filed its own suit against Nokia, countering Nokia's claims of patent infringement with its own."

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  1. CEO Battle by Khris · · Score: 5, Funny

    Let's just put the CEO from both companies into a ring and have them fight it out. Whoever wins gets everything including the black turtleneck!

  2. AM I reading the subtext right? by Teese · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Apple is complaining that Nokia isn't offering the Standards based cell phones on Reasonable and Nondiscriminatory basis? Isn't Nokia required to do that as part of submitting those patents as part of the GSM standard. It stated that in the lawsuit that nokia wanted a patent cross-license agreement with apple for the rights to the GSM patents. That's not reasonable and nondiscriminatory.

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    1. Re:AM I reading the subtext right? by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I would agree. But, again, the idea that Nokia can hold up the patents that Apple needs in order for Nokia to get the patents that they want is certainly not "Non-discriminatory."

      To go with my previous example, if Nokia says, "it's $0.25 per cellphone, but we'll cut it if you cross-license these patents," that's one thing. But to say "You must cross-license these patents" is something else.

      This gives Nokia an incredible advantage over Google, RIM, Microsoft, and anyone else who makes a cellphone operating system. Nokia makes a cellphone operating system but they also have patents which Google, RIM, and Microsoft—Nokia's competitors—must license in order to work with GSM networks. So you have to license technology from your competition if you want to work on GSM networks.

      Nokia is definitely taking advantage of the situation by trying to use these must have patents in cellular telephony in order to improve their own cellphone operating system which is used on the phones that they sell.

      That's definitely non-discriminatory.

  3. Re:I'm rubber and you're glue... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    You fight like a dairy farmer!

    How appropriate, you fight like a cow.

  4. Nokia sues Apple for infringing technology patents by Colin+Smith · · Score: 5, Funny

    And Apple sues Nokia for what? The process for creating black shiny things?

     

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  5. Re:Just a small part by jpmorgan · · Score: 5, Informative

    Not really. Apple has only been in the cell phone business for a few years... Nokia is a granddaddy. If you look at the patents Apple is saying that Nokia is infringing, they're comparatively minor. Let's look at the patents...

    No. 5,555,369: Method of creating packages for a pointer-based computer system
    No. 6,239,795 B1: Pattern and color abstraction in a graphical user interface
    No. 5,315,703: Object-oriented notification framework system
    No. 6,189,034 B1: Method and apparatus for dynamic launching of a teleconferencing application upon receipt of a call
    No. 7,469,381, B2: List scrolling and document translation, scaling, and rotation on a touch-screen display
    No. RE 39, 486 E: Extensible, replaceable network component system
    No. 5,455,854: Object-oriented telephony system
    No. 5, 379,431: Boot framework architecture for dynamic staged initial program load
    No. 5,634,074 : Serial I/O device identifies itself to a computer through a serial interface during power on reset then it is being configured by the computer
    No. 5,915,131 : Method and apparatus for handling I/O requests utilizing separate programming interfaces to access separate I/O services
    No. 7,383,453 B2: Conserving power by reducing voltage supplied to an instruction-processing portion of a processor
    No. 5,848,105: GMSK signal processors for improved communications capacity and quality
    No. 6,343,263 B1 : Real-time signal processing system for serially transmitted data

    Mostly we're talking fluffy software patents. The last few are potentially meaty, but given how little time Apple has been in this business, and how recent these were filed and granted, they're probably pretty specific (although I don't have the time to pick through the actual claims). Worst case scenario for Nokia is probably, they pull their smartphones from the US market for 6 months while they work around them. And the US smartphone market is a minor part of Nokia's business.

    But Nokia... Nokia has patents on just about every wireless technology known to man. Worst case scenario for Apple is they can cancel the iPhone and put an ethernet jack in the next MacBook Air.

  6. It IS crazy! by NoYob · · Score: 5, Funny

    Here's a crazy idea: in-house lawyers.

    Do you know how hard it is to potty train a lawyer?! It's not like a dog or better a cat that makes a bee line for the litter box. Nooooooo!

    Lawyers need a big office if they don't have one, they'll shit all over everything. They need an expensive car or they'll pee over everything. And as for food! Oh God!

    Just gimme a cat.

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  7. Re:I'm rubber and you're glue... by CityZen · · Score: 5, Insightful

    > When someone punches you, you punch back.

    I think you're kind of missing the point. We shouldn't be behaving like cave-men in the first place.

    True, the corporate environment that all companies currently exist in tends to encourage this behavior. But the nature of this corporate environment is hurting everyone (except the lawyers), so how long will it be before we can all evolve and pursue better things?

    Reminds me of an anecdote concerning the game Mule. I played this game with my brothers, and we always competed against each other. When I mentioned the game to a friend of mine, she said "That's a great game. What was the richest your colony ever got?" I responded with some score I remembered at the time. She said something to the effect of "Why so low? We usually got 10x that!" It had not even occurred to me that one might try to play the game cooperatively, thus benefiting the colony as a whole, rather than the individual player.

    Somehow, mankind as a whole needs to make a similar observation.

  8. Re:maybe they should just pay up by DurendalMac · · Score: 5, Informative

    Apparently some people get the opposite effect from Jobs' reality distortion field. Let's see here...

    Mach: It's open source. So long as Apple abides by the license (which they do), there is no possible way they can "steal" it.
    Objective-C: Apple is far from the only ones to have an Obj-C language. And the funny thing is that NeXT was the first company to license it, which Apple later purchased. Yep, obtaining a license certainly equates to theft!
    MP3 Players: Are you fucking serious? Apple was far from the first to make an MP3 player. They were simply the most successful. Holy crap, Sony ripped off the inventor of the wax cylinder by making the Walkman!
    Multitouch: Apple purchased Fingerworks, who had developed a number of multitouch technologies and interfaces. Again, buying is stealing?
    The App Store: You can't possibly be fucking serious.
    Song recommendations: See above. You mean they can recommend something based on something else you bought? WOW, they stole that...from the rest of the ENTIRE FUCKING INDUSTRY.
    Phone cameras: Holy. Fucking. Shit. I'm not even going to address this.

    Words cannot describe just how incredibly stupid you really are.