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ID Thief Tries To Get Witnesses Whacked

adeelarshad82 writes "Pavel Valkovich of Sherman Oaks, CA has pleaded guilty to solicitation of murder, admitting that he attempted to hire hit-men to kill witnesses working with Federal authorities in their investigation of Valkovich's ID theft activities and subsequent crimes. According to the Justice Department: '...Valkovich and others had stolen personal identifying information and used that information to transfer funds from victims' bank accounts to PayPal accounts.'"

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  1. What. The. Funk? by Rogerborg · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Valkovich will face a statutory maximum of 50 years in prison: 20 years for the murder-for-hire and 30 years for the bank fraud.

    Two things amaze me:

    One, that you can get more jail time for moving 440,000 from one DB column to another than for trying to have someone killed.

    Two, that actual bankers that committed fraud to the tune of trillions were punished by (at most) being handsomely paid off and sentenced to go golfing for the rest of their lives.

    What a strange "justice" system we've created for ourselves.

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    1. Re:What. The. Funk? by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Insightful

      He who owns the system makes the rules. Where's the news?

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    2. Re:What. The. Funk? by Thanshin · · Score: 4, Funny

      Valkovich will face a statutory maximum of 50 years in prison: 20 years for the murder-for-hire and 30 years for the bank fraud

      On further investigation, a new fact has been discovered. When Valkovich was hiring the assassin, he was simultaneously copying his cds to a usb player. The sentence has been changed to death penalty of him, his entire family, and everybody in the same neighborhood with a name starting with a V, or a W.

    3. Re:What. The. Funk? by Mr.+Freeman · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It has absolutely nothing to do with how much money you stole. If this guy had stolen 20 billion dollars he'd still be going to jail.

      It all has to do with HOW you steal it and WHAT you call it. Example:
      Typical theft/bank fraud: Jail time
      Experimental accounting strategies and strategic investment and pay-rate schedule (aka bank fraud): Golden parachute and another cushy job

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    4. Re:What. The. Funk? by camperslo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      But wonder what's going on inside the guy's head tho, he acts like he would be in an action movie:

      Perhaps some action movies functioned as training and provided role models for this guy.
      Watching too much bad stuff may make it seem more normal, making a line a bit easier to cross.

    5. Re:What. The. Funk? by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But wonder what's going on inside the guy's head tho, he acts like he would be in an action movie:

      The answer is in the first comment of this thread:

      20 years for the murder-for-hire and 30 years for the bank fraud.

      ==> he just tried to save 10 years of prison time. Had his plot gone through, there would have been no witness for the fraud, and all they could stick with him would be the murder: 20 years, instead of 30!

      And this is the reason why it is so dangerous to have laws on the book that carry a penalty that is harsher than for murder...

    6. Re:What. The. Funk? by Rogerborg · · Score: 3, Funny

      Didn't Joshua Lincoln bring the laws on stone tablets down from a burning ark on Mount Rushmore? I'm pretty sure that's what I was taught in Civics 101.

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    7. Re:What. The. Funk? by instantkamera · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Logic fail.

      he just tried to save 10 years of prison time. Had his plot gone through, there would have been no witness for the fraud, and all they could stick with him would be the murder: 20 years, instead of 30!

      Had this plot "gone through" he would have actually been charged with something other than "solicitation of murder", the charge carrying a 20 year sentence. Let's assume the murder charge is worse.

      And this is the reason why it is so dangerous to have laws on the book that carry a penalty that is harsher than for murder...

      again, the 20 years ... not for ACTUAL MURDER. Not to mention, Im pretty sure this guy wasn't weighing his jail time options and "settling" for 20 years. I think he wanted to silence the witness(es) and not get caught doing it.

    8. Re:What. The. Funk? by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 4, Informative

      Yep. Murder is normally a "25 to life" affair. However, in this case it would be first degree murder, since it was most certainly premeditated. That is life with no chance of parole in every US jurisdiction I'm aware of, and makes you eligible for the death penalty in some.

      Murder gets you extremely heavy time. Attempted murder doesn't get you as much. Solicitation of murder, even less. Reason is in each case, things are less severe. In the first, you actually took someone's life. In the second, you tried, but failed, so despite everything else, the person is still alive at least which makes the situation much less severe. In the third, you didn't even try to kill them, you just asked someone else to, someone who didn't do it.

      However let's not pretend like 20 years is a light sentence.

  2. It wasn't him... by Sarten-X · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...his identity must have been stolen!

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    1. Re:It wasn't him... by dikdik · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I have had my identity stolen twice and both time it was a data breach with a merchant I was dealing with. I find it appalling that it is so easy to get a credit or signup for a loan. How about more responsibility on the bank merchant part? The there credit bureaus should be held responsible for this mess. They are making profit using our data and we end up paying to clean it up or monitor it.

  3. Put the onus on financial institutions by dikdik · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Plain and simple, the only thing that's going to really make a dent in identity theft is to make identities harder to steal, and that means requiring all the banks and credit card companies to jump through more identity verification hoops before they give someone your money or a line of credit in your name.

    Sure, requiring you to go to a licensed notary and have a credit card application notarized might not make it so easy to get credit, but it would also make it harder to get credit in your name.

    The banks and credit card companies could do this, but it's more profitable to let people steal your identity and then just jack up fees and interest rates to cover the losses.

  4. "Copyright theft" and *Identity theft" by erroneus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Those two terms have something in common -- both were trumped up by people with something to hide and would rather misdirect the public about what is going on.

    There is no theft of copyright unless someone somehow convinces the registry office that he is the author and owner of the material. It is "infringement" but that word doesn't sound bad or terrible enough to get people excited.

    And there is no "Identity theft" either... well, there is when someone is actively out there claiming to be someone else while that someone else is thereafter doubted as to who he is. Not sure that actually happens though. What identity theft really is is fraud perpetrated against banks and other institutions who created a system by which a person is identified by numbers that are shared frequently and openly. I hesitate to call them secret numbers since every time you participate in the system, you surrender nearly all of your personal identification numbers. The system that has been created is EXTREMELY weak and easy to game. It is also extremely easy and inexpensive for banks, financial institutions and shops to use in doing business. And just like the "credit score" system created by the same people, it puts the burden on the individuals rather than on the people who created and use the systems to their advantage every day.

    Seriously, what a great system? They collect all of the advantages, and all disadvantages are shifted to individuals!

    Banker says, "no, I was not harmed by this guy who fraudulently stole money from my bank...it was the poor schmuck whose bank account information was used! And I'll tell you something else! I'm holding that poor schmuck responsible for my incompetent system!"

    Shop keeper says, "no, I was not harmed by this guy who fraudulently stole property from my store... it was the poor schmuck whose credit card numbers or credit information was used in making the purchase... and I'll tell you something else, I'm holding the poor schmuck responsible for paying the bill! And if he doesn't, I'll file bad credit reports and in some states, file in court to have a judgement against him too!"

    The weaknesses of the system are clear and obvious. It is also clear and obvious who is being stolen from. By changing the name from fraud to identity theft, they are attempting to make it less clear and obvious who the victim is.

  5. i was called to jury duty once by circletimessquare · · Score: 4, Interesting

    and the case was a triple murder, drug related, in upper manhattan. this was being tried at the downtown manhattan courthouse

    i was winnowed down to the final 20, almost an alternate juror. what surprised me was all of this personal identifying information was being disclosed, about me and a whole bunch of other people, while the defendant, ostensibly a triple murdering drug dealer, with obvious possible ties to organized crime, was sitting there hearing all of this personally identifying info about people who were going to judge him, and he was even taking notes. they were even asking me and others questions about our siblings and what they did (maybe they were asking that because the defendant killed a sibling? i never heard any further details of the crime after i was weaned out and put back in the snooze room)

    so why is it, in the us court system at least, that the identity of witnesses and jurors is given so much free play with sleaze bag defendants who usually have no problem ordering hits for all sorts of reasons, not least of which the desire to avoid jail time. surely there can be more anonymity, no? i don't understand the status quo

    ps:
    notice to anyone who wants to get off jury duty:
    when they ask you if you would consider other people's opinion when making up your mind, or if you would make up your mind on your own, answer (in my case honestly), that you wouldn't care what other people on the jury thought, that you would make up your mind on your own... booted

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    1. Re:i was called to jury duty once by DamonHD · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And do you have any amusing anecdotes about other civic duties you dodged such as paying taxes or helping injured people by the side of the road?

      Rgds

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    2. Re:i was called to jury duty once by timholman · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And do you have any amusing anecdotes about other civic duties you dodged such as paying taxes or helping injured people by the side of the road?

      I'm waiting for the amusing anecdote about how he was wrongly sued by someone, and a jury of bigoted uneducated idiots found in favor for the plaintiff, because all of the intelligent educated jurors dodged jury duty and then smugly posted about it on Slashdot.

      Or maybe the story of how he was wrongfully accused of rape or child abuse, and then a jury of idiots convicted him because all the "smart" people had better things to do with their time than sit in a trial.

      It is always interesting to me how the people who complain the loudest about unjust laws and convictions are so often the ones who can't be bothered to participate in the very system that metes out justice to their fellow citizens.

      I've only served on one jury in my life. It was a pain in the butt to reschedule my life around it, but I would not hesitate to serve again. If I were wrongfully accused, I would pray that intelligent and educated people in that jury box would listen to facts and not emotional blather when deciding my fate.

    3. Re:i was called to jury duty once by Sarten-X · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It's good to see others who actually accept responsibility for the world we live in.

      I actually rescheduled my jury duty for when I had a break in my grad school courses, even though I could have been excused entirely. There's a reason it's called "jury duty", and not "jury we'd-really-like-it-if-you-came-and-helped-please".

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    4. Re:i was called to jury duty once by xmundt · · Score: 4, Funny

      Actually, I had an amusing moment in the early 90s as regards this. I got a jury duty notice addressed to my father. Well, I called the court clerk and had a short conversation that went something like this:
              Me: "Hello....I got this notice and I am calling to let you know that he will not be able to serve".
              Clerk (in kind of a snotty tone): "I'm sorry sir, but everyone that is called is required to serve, or appear to explain why they cannot".
              Me: "That may be a little difficult because he has been dead for six years now..."
                              lllloooonnnnngggg silence.
                Clerk: "Ok...." and hangs up.

                Apparently they got their records updated because I got no more summons. I must admit that I had this momentary desire to jerk them around a bit, and tell them that if they wanted to talk to him, they would have to come and get him....and then give his current address as the cemetary where he was buried.

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    5. Re:i was called to jury duty once by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I have the best one, I bet.

      I was called to jury duty here at a time when my own case was going to be called. I'd have been in my own jury!

      The charge was bogus, long story, but it was for a felony....but I'm a respected citizen, a voter, and eligible. Here in the boonies, jury duty probably means a few days sitting on perhaps a half dozen cases (all the court drums up that need juries in a month -- this is far out boonies, not much happening).

      That was one funny phone call! Since everyone knows everyone here, there wasn't even the bureaucracy excuse...."Hey, Sue, do ya really want me to sit in judgment of me? I can make this real simple for ya then."

  6. Because of transparency, mostly by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 3, Informative

    An important part of the US court system is to be very open in general. That's why there are specific things in the law like the right to confront your accuser. Well another important part is for your defense team, of which you as the defendant are part, to make sure the jury is truly an unbiased group of your peers. It would invite abuse to have a system where the jurors were a secret group that the defense never got to see.

    Yes, it does pose the risk of a defendant attempting to retaliate against jurors, however that is actually extremely rare. It also rarely works out, you'll note that this asshat is now doing more time because of it. There are always tradeoffs, there is no perfect way of doing things and in the US system, transparency of the jury is more important than protecting their identities.

    Also, in general you can speak to the judge privately if an answer is something you aren't willing to make in open court. You can request to approach the bench and talk to them about your concern.

  7. Re:surely this plan must eventually succeed by Thanshin · · Score: 3, Funny

    A minor setback, really--- clearly he's now just in need of a fourth person willing to commit three murders for hire...

    That's an example of the classic "putting fires off" mentality.

    A good manager would have sent two assassins for the first target and two more for the assassins themselves. He'd then hire a fifth assassin, of greater skill, to kill whoever was alive at the end of the deals.

    To hire such number of assassins, he'd have probaly created a small HR department. And to recoup from this initial investment, he'd capitalize the already prepared team by subcontracting it to other businesses.

  8. Re:What bankers? by tonyreadsnews · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I agree there is plenty of blame to go around
    However, you seem to think that all people fit into one of those categories.

    What you've missed is that there are 'little guys' who didn't take out a loan they couldn't afford, and didn't make a loan to some high risk person.
    But these 'little guys' are getting screwed because of each of the parties you mentioned. Some of them have been laid off, some have seen their investments brutalized, some are now stuck in their house because their once 80 LTV is now 105 LTV.
    These are a larger percentage of those complaining
    Not to mention the same 'evil bankers' that made the loans also pushed to get regulations relaxed, which makes them somewhat more responsible as without their reckless behavior this mess

    Now these 'little guys' find out their tax dollars are going to the same companies that got us into the mess while these companies also are basically getting free money to make new loans and start back with business as usual.

    At least that's what I complain about and I'm one of those 'little guys'