Cell Phone Searches Require Warrant
schleprock63 writes "The Ohio state supreme court has decided that a cell phone found on a suspect cannot be searched without a warrant. The majority based this decision on a federal case that deemed a cell phone not to be a 'closed container,' and therefore not searchable without a warrant. The argument of the majority contended that a cell phone does not contain physical objects and therefore is not a container. One dissenting judge argued that a cell phone is a container that simply contains data. He argued that the other judges were 'needlessly theorizing' about the contents of a cell phone. He compared the data contained within an address book that would be searchable." The article notes that this was apparently the first time the question has come up before any state supreme court.
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Does that mean that a "closed container" is searchable without a warrant? How can that be deemed reasonable?
If I had a 4 liter tin cookie can when I was arrested, it could potentially contain knives, guns, maybe even a bomb. It is reasonable for a police officer to be able to search such a container when they take you into custody. It could be dangerous.
That is what they mean by a closed container. A cell phone cannot contain a physical dangerous object within its data.
However, if the police suspected that the phone was just a shell and contained bullets instead of a battery, they might have authority to search it for bullets, but that doesn't involve turning it on and going through the data.
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If you have an address book, or day planner, you could use it to hold a gun or a knife. So an arresting officer has the right to open it and ensure that there is nothing that could jeopardize their safety in it. They should not be reading the papers, BUT, if you have a 8x10" glossy photo of you putting a round into someone...
The argument here, as I understand it, is that the majority felt that there is no need to peruse the DATA on the phone to ensure that it will not jeopardize the officer's safety. You can not store a gun or a knife in binary format. So while the cops could crack the case and ensure that there are no hidden contents in side the case, they can not flip through your address book, recent calls, or text messages.
-Rick
"Most people in the U.S. wouldn't know they live in a tyrannical state if it walked up and grabbed their junk." - MyFirs
From TFA (all emphasis mine):
The state won the case in the appeals court – but the judge who sided with Smith in that court argued that the cell phone was not a “container”.
Smith won the case in the state Supreme Court – and once again, the judges siding with Smith accepted the idea that the cell phone was not a “container”.
So, what’s the significance of a “container”? We’ll dig further.
http://www.sconet.state.oh.us/PIO/oralArguments/09/0915/0915.asp#081781
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I'd mod this +1 Insightful if I had the points.
This isn't some gross abuse of the bill of rights. This is for items just like this: http://www.dillonprecision.com/content/p/9/pid/23863/catid/14/Dillon__039_s___039_Plan_B__039__Day_Planner
A Closed Container, when you are being arrested, could contain a weapon. A day planner is large enough that it could easily contain a weapon. A cell phone could be used to smuggle a weapon, ammo, or a bomb, BUT, as the majority has rightfully ruled, those threats are not contained in the DATA on the phone. So if a police were to arrest you, and feared that you may have a shiv stashed in your phone, they are completely with in their rights to pop the case on your cell phone and ensure that there are no weapons inside of it. This ruling reiterates that they are NOT with in their rights to turn on your phone, flip through your address book, recent calls, and text message to ensure that there are no weapons in it.
-Rick
"Most people in the U.S. wouldn't know they live in a tyrannical state if it walked up and grabbed their junk." - MyFirs
Ah, found it, from Wikipedia:
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It was at Heathrow Terminal 5. That's the UK. The person affected had to change into a different shirt and pack the T-shirt, and was threatened with arrest if he were to put it back on, but was allowed to fly.
A Google search will find many more articles about the incident.
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