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After Berlusconi Attack, Italy Considers Web Censorship

An anonymous reader writes "The Italian government has proposed introducing new restrictions on the Internet after a Facebook fan page for the man who allegedly attacked Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi on Sunday drew almost 100,000 users in under 48 hours. However, the planned clampdown on Internet hate speech sparked a heated debate over censorship and freedom of expression, leading Interior Minister Roberto Maroni to execute a partial U-turn."

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  1. Control by JohnHegarty · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Must be very hard for Mr Berlusconi that there is media he doesn't control.

    For anyone not familiar with Italy he already owns all the major tv stations and newspapers.

    1. Re:Control by migla · · Score: 4, Interesting

      On my to-watch-list, there's a recent-ish documentary about Berlusconis Italy, titled "Videocracy". http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1500516/

      http://www.atmo.se/film-and-tv/videocracy/ :

      In a videocracy the key to power is the image.

      In Italy one man only has kept the domination of the image over three entire decades. As a TV-magnate and then as Presidente, Silvio Berlusconi has created a perfect system of TV-entertainment and politics. [...] ...a remarkable story, born out of the scary reality of TV-republic Italy, a country where the step from TV-showgirl to Minister for Gender Equality is only natural.

      Coming soon to a festival (or internet) near you!

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    2. Re:Control by emanem · · Score: 4, Informative

      Il Giornale
      Libero (his ex-wife controls it but de-facto he is)
      Oggi
      Chi

    3. Re:Control by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      He owns Il Giornale, via his brother Paolo. Il Foglio, it is owned by his recently divorcing wife. Mondadori, the biggest italian publisher, with a myriad of magazines, is in the hands of his daughter Marina. About the latter, he has just been sentenced guilty of taking over Mondadori by means of corruption back in 1990 and will have to pay 750 megaeuros. Mediaset is controlled by Piersilvio, his son, and owns 3 private national channels out of 7 plus a bunch of digital tv channels. Other than these, are the three national tv channels of RAI (state television) which is mostly controlled by the government.
      If this is not enough, well... unfortunely he has way much more power than this...

      by the way
      what do ./ers think of the aggression itself? I mean... is it possible to have two broken teeth, broken nose, and a white shirt with no red stain?

    4. Re:Control by emanem · · Score: 4, Informative

      You missed the point sit. In Italy they don't sell many newspapers...btw he does control 35% of the biggest newspaper (Il Corriere) as well..
      Anyway the majority of information is broadcast through TV which he controls (50% as prime minister) and owns (50% his own TV stations).
      You sir, don't know what you're talking about.

    5. Re:Control by emanem · · Score: 2, Informative

      Btw sorry I got confused... he owns so many... :-P
      Libero is owned by his brother Paolo
      Il Foglio is owned by his ex-wife
      and he owns (through his publishing company) ona of the biggest quotes of Il Corriere (the most famous italian newspaper)...

    6. Re:Control by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      As far as controlling his image, his image didn't look so hot after he took a nice beating.

      About 90 percent of the world was heartened to see that at least one single human was able to express to his political leader what he felt in a direct and honest manner, and in a way that the politician could not ignore.

      The image of Berlusconi's well-fed and dissolute face all battered and bloody was a message to the world: There is yet hope.

      Salute!

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  2. Hrmm by acehole · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Just goes to show, politicians everywhere dont like a medium that allows the little guy to have a voice.

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    1. Re:Hrmm by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2, Funny

      I f$%&/n' hate being italian.

      You know paisan, I felt the same way after I saw that Jersey Shore TV show.

      Disgrazia!

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  3. They never learn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    OR, the Italian government could use this as an opportunity to gauge the public disapproval for their senior politicians.

  4. If this were a nobody that was attacked by rolfwind · · Score: 4, Informative

    The government would treat it just like any other case, even with such a facebook group.

    It never ceases to amaze me how the government uses high-profile cases to grab at power and suppress the people while having their whole-hearted support of such measures. The patriot act comes to mind. (Which, btw, did nothing to stop Nidal Hasan from killing people.)

    These type of things shows you the true stripes of those in power, and who should be voted out ASAP.

    1. Re:If this were a nobody that was attacked by furball · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The Patriot Act is intended to focus on groups of people organizing to carry out a planned action. It doesn't do anything for single crazy acting on their own.

      What allowed Nidal Hasan to kill people was rampant political correctness.

      Whether what Nidal Hasan did constitutes terrorism is still open for debate. The typical things we identify with terrorism such as a political cause, message, or grievance is still unidentified. When a combatant buries an IED, we can assume that his issue is that the US leaves Iraq/Afghanistan. What's Nidal Hasan's gripe? His deployment? The US's role in the Middle East? Does anyone know? Does he even have one? When is an act terrorism and when is it just simple murder?

      Is the shooting at Virginia Tech terrorism? Or is it only terrorism if the perpetrator is Muslim?

    2. Re:If this were a nobody that was attacked by rolfwind · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The Patriot Act is intended to focus on groups of people organizing to carry out a planned action. It doesn't do anything for single crazy acting on their own.

      And yet the FBI had plenty of tips about the hijackers before the actual attack.

      What allowed Nidal Hasan to kill people was rampant political correctness.

      Perhaps it was simply the same bloated bureacracy that fail before 9/11, which got warning signs but the signals got lost in the chain of command because they're too busy spying on the emails of millions of others.

      When is an act terrorism and when is it just simple murder?

      Is the shooting at Virginia Tech terrorism? Or is it only terrorism if the perpetrator is Muslim?

      Terrorism is a tactic designed to invoke a specific psychological reaction.

      The way past US leadership uses it is a catch-all phrase to grab power:
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zW8Bj1upbJQ

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zW8Bj1upbJQ

    3. Re:If this were a nobody that was attacked by FuckingNickName · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Or is it only terrorism if the perpetrator is Muslim?

      It is terrorism precisely when the word "terrorism" brings out the right sentiment in those listening to you.

      The British were terrorising Catholics in Northern Ireland. The IRA were terrorising the English in London. The ANC was terrorising the white government in apartheid South Africa. The apartheid government was terrorising the black majority. Jews terrorised Arab villages and British hotels. Arabs terrorise Jewish women and children in marketplaces.

    4. Re:If this were a nobody that was attacked by Hatta · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And don't forget the Americans terrorizing the British East India Company in Boston.

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  5. Please Do It, Italy! by netsharc · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If they do go ahead with it, the serious backlash will surely bring down the Berlusconi regime. Or is this just wishful thinking? His media power has really brainwashed the majority of citizens there..

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    1. Re:Please Do It, Italy! by sakdoctor · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Wishful thinking. I have yet to see a backlash against proposed or actual censorship, even in countries that have a strong freedom of speech culture.

      This little blip will not bring down Musso^H^H^HBerlusconi.

    2. Re:Please Do It, Italy! by mpe · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The problem in Italy is not that people are "brainwashed" by Silvio, it's just that he sucks slightly less than the only other choice.

      Having only two choices when the population of Italy is nearly 60 million sounds like the bigger problem :)

    3. Re:Please Do It, Italy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What about a country with 300 millions and two choices?

  6. Wrong response by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The last thing you do is try and stop people from hearing about it. You make light of it, show it as not a big deal, and move on.

    "Yeah, some guy hit me with a souvenir... Oh well, shit happens! The security guards are stepping it up a notch or two, but it's not like I was shot or anything. Thanks god, you know? Wouldn't want to leave my wife having to look for an inferior lover! Vote for me, you guys... I'm easy going."

    And the world moves on.

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  7. A partial U-turn by Sarten-X · · Score: 3, Funny

    Usually, we just call that "turning left" (or right, depending on your country)

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    1. Re:A partial U-turn by MBGMorden · · Score: 2, Funny

      I think in most fonts a J turn ends up being equivalent to a U turn. Those damned serif fonts will screw up your turns every time though.

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  8. Whenever I see a knee-jerk reaction.... by ibsteve2u · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Whenever I see a knee-jerk reaction by a government, the first thought that pops into my head is "Oh, my. Are they nuclear?"

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  9. It's All About CONTROL! by mrpacmanjel · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Governments *hate* the idea of people having too much freedom.

    Why?
    It means you'll start asking too many questions and governments don't like that!

    It also means you become difficult to control.

    How?
    By keeping you fearful - global warming, recession, terrorism, nuclear arms and now the freedom of the Internet (terrorists and paedophiles use it)
    These subjects in themselves are genuine concerns but governments have a knack of focusing on them and using them to conrol the general population. Usually by using extreme measures via law and policy legislation.

    Web censorship is no different. Governments need us to be passive and compliant. Fortunately free speech is *impossible* to control it's part of who you are. You can censor or prohibit the *mechanisms* that express free speech but never "control" it.

    Suppose Italy do censor the Internet and other countries follow. Do you really think that will be the end of it?

    I don't think so.

    If they start blocking web sites (probably at ISP level) then people will turn to encryption and deliver content that way. If encrypting the web becomes illegal then some other mechanism will manifest itself (e.g. bypassing the ISP entirely).

    I hate to say this, but some form of government control is coming to the Internet whether you like it or not.

    So, be prepared.

    1. Re:It's All About CONTROL! by VincenzoRomano · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Freedom is not for you is you are not someone. That's it.

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  10. Fans by TimeElf1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The Italian government has proposed introducing new restrictions on the Internet after a Facebook fan page for the man who allegedly attacked Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi on Sunday drew almost 100,000 users in under 48 hours.

    Well that is a rather knee jerk reaction, last I checked Facebook was not for just people from Italy. Besides people will become fans of anything on Facebook, from beer, to Jeffrey Dahmer.

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  11. That's already in place. by VincenzoRomano · · Score: 3, Informative

    In Italy you are not allowed to reach some international websites, mainly related to betting.
    You get directed to a generic web page (hosted at the government company SOGEI Spa) that says that you are not allowed to visit those websites.
    If you are in Italy you can try http://www.ladbrokes.com/ or http://www.skybet.com/.
    Can you spell "freedom" in Italian? We cannot.

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    1. Re:That's already in place. by I'm_Original · · Score: 2, Informative

      I am in Italy right now, and I didn't know there was any censorship. I tried those two sites, and you're right, they are in fact censored, with a notice referencing the law that brought the censorship into place. Thank you.

  12. Partial U turn? by Nomaxxx · · Score: 3, Funny

    "leading Interior Minister Roberto Maroni to execute a partial U-turn." What's a partial U-turn? ...a L-turn?

    1. Re:Partial U turn? by Chrisq · · Score: 2, Funny

      Or a J turm

  13. The train of thought by Balau · · Score: 3, Informative

    It goes on like this:
    -Berlusconi was attacked by Mr.Tartaglia because he hated him.
    -The attack was caused by the hateful mood (http://www.ansa.it/web/notizie/rubriche/politica/2009/12/15/visualizza_new.html_1646244271.html/)
    -Facebook is full of political hatred (http://www.ilgiornale.it/interni/su_facebook_tartaglia_eroe_chi_odia/tartaglia-facebook-berlusconi/13-12-2009/articolo-id=406674-page=0-comments=1/)
    -Facebook is on the Internet
    -The solution is to control Facebook, and also the whole Internet to avoid mistakes (http://www.repubblica.it/2009/12/sezioni/politica/giustizia-22/rodota/rodota.html/)

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  14. Pretty Arrogant by Milican · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's too bad, but people get attacked all the time. However, when a leader gets attacked then we need to shut down the Internet. Pretty arrogant and self-centered. I'm glad the Internet is pretty free, but it's only a matter of time until politicians invent an excuse to control it. I'm sure it will be for the children, or to stop some possible terrorist scenario. Then it'll creep out from there.

    JOhn

  15. Wrong title by cowboy76Spain · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It should have read:

    AFTER BERLUCONI ATTACK, ITALIAN GOVERNMENT SHOWS HIS PLANS FOR CENSORSHIP.

    Anyone with info about how Berlusconi deals with the basis of democracy (independent news, respect to the Constitution, independent judges) would have expected these plans to be in the works. The attack gives them an opportunity to show them.

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