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Vimeo Sued For Audio Infringement

USS_Natas writes "Capitol Records and other labels have sued Vimeo in federal court, charging that the site's emphasis on 'original works' only extends to videos, and that songs are widely used on Vimeo without a license. The plaintiffs hope to prove that Vimeo staffers know about the infringement, since they've been doing it themselves." NewTeeVee has a PDF of the court filing in a Scribd frame.

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  1. All these suits and money changing hands by nurb432 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Where do i get in on this deal? Since rational logic no longer applies, i want to sue someone too !

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    1. Re:All these suits and money changing hands by jo42 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      1) Get a patent/copyright/trademark on passing matter in gaseous form through a sphincter.
      2) Sue anyone or anything that farts.
      3) Profit !$$$!

    2. Re:All these suits and money changing hands by Cidolfas · · Score: 2, Funny

      Nah, the real money's in owning that sound. Then you can sue every iPhone programmer to make an app, and Apple. You'll be able to buy Steve Jobs.

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    3. Re:All these suits and money changing hands by discord5 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Nah, the real money's in owning that sound. Then you can sue every iPhone programmer to make an app, and Apple.

      iPullMyFinger for the iPhone. Oh I can smell the cash in that one.

    4. Re:All these suits and money changing hands by maxwell+demon · · Score: 4, Interesting

      As long as you don't try to own Steve Jobs' farting - his are inaudible.

      You mean he's violating the copyright of John Cage?

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    5. Re:All these suits and money changing hands by maxume · · Score: 2, Funny

      The big winner in the wtf app-space was the even more imaginatively named iFart.

      I guess if the purchase of an iPhone made you wonder if maybe your friend was a douche-bag, their purchase of something like iFart takes the question off the table for you.

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    6. Re:All these suits and money changing hands by BoberFett · · Score: 4, Funny

      If they're inaudible, how do Apple fanatics know when to rush up to him, bend over, and take a deep breath?

    7. Re:All these suits and money changing hands by the_fat_kid · · Score: 3, Funny

      practice.
      years and years of practice...

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    8. Re:All these suits and money changing hands by dem0n1 · · Score: 2, Funny

      If they're inaudible, how do Apple fanatics know when to rush up to him, bend over, and take a deep breath?

      There's an app for that.

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  2. Nothing good will come of this. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    While IMO they do have a point (well apart from live concert footage), however I don't see what they want to achieve nobody watches a lip dub on vimeo instead of buying the actual record. So while they will almost certainly win the case, they won't actually win anything and will lose out on free marketing.

    preemptive pro-tip, if your going to use the term fair-use please understand what it means first.

  3. The RIAA and MPAA are in REAL trouble by crovira · · Score: 3, Interesting

    because if they can't make this stick, they're going to disappear.

    Vimeo is in a perfect position to request that they DO DO.

    Copyright infringement is one of those things that can actually rear up and byte the **AAs in the butt.

    By claiming first amendment rights on the ENTIRE file, audio and video and written text of the actual content of the file, they can force the issue that the AA's are, in fact, stepping on each others territory and refuse to comply with their requests until the establishment of a proper rights infringement body.

    By setting the MPAA lawyers on the RIAA lawyers, Vimeo can ask that the issue of content creation be settled once and for all in a comprehensive manner.

    Since the RIAA and the MPAA are not entitled to settle the matter by themselves, they end up effectively negating each others arguments.

    Now of course the difficulty of settling all of this means that the litigation will pend for years, and may very well see the establishment of an ÜberAA to oversee the FAIR distribution of royalties, but at least it i the end of the various AAs.

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  4. Seriously true... by TheModelEskimo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Typical Vimeo user profile: "30-something Caucasian with a HUGE iTunes library, prosumer camera gear and/or a copy of Processing, with a penchant for shallow-depth-of-field effects."

    There's non-fair-use copyright-infringement all over the place on that site, and it's absolutely weird that nobody at Vimeo HQ has even batted an eyelash. Really, it's that bad. (I'm a big fan of CC myself, and I think that if people would just stop using RIAA tunes to enhance their own creative works, the problem would solve itself)

    1. Re:Seriously true... by Suzuran · · Score: 3, Informative

      The problem is that all music is RIAA/ASCAP music. They have the right to collect royalties for anyone, anywhere, even you. That's why all web radio stations have to pay performance royalties, even on indie or foreign music.

    2. Re:Seriously true... by TheModelEskimo · · Score: 2

      So you think they'd still be sued if everybody used freely-licensed music rather than stuff like Lady Gaga or Band of Horses? Doubtful.

    3. Re:Seriously true... by tepples · · Score: 4, Interesting

      So you think they'd still be sued if everybody used freely-licensed music

      Yes, because ASCAP will be able to dig up something non-free that was written in the past 95 years and happens to sound like the freely-licensed music, making the free license invalid. We could end up with another Bright Tunes Music v. Harrisongs Music on our hands.

  5. The Real Reason... by bedroll · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't find the lawsuit itself particularly interesting. From the sound of it, I believe Capitol will win on at least one count of copyright infringement. The video itself obviously infringes, though I don't see how it does any damage to Capitol's property. Still, their hook is compelling from a legal point of view. Check out this excerpt from NewTeeVee:

    The difference, according to Capitol, is that not only has Vimeo not tried very hard to protect copyright owners, but it actively encourages infringement. Capitol alleges that Vimeo’s use of copyrighted material is “not an accident,” claiming that the web site contains “a massive amount of content that features, and draws most (if not all) of its appeal from, the use of copyrighted works.” As a result, according to the complaint, Vimeo is not only aware of copyright infringement happening on its system, but “actively promotes and induces that infringement.”

    What's interesting about this is that Vimeo's appeal is the high quality of its unique, user generated content. Just like in the video, the compelling element is not the song but they way in which their employees are lip syncing. I would go so far as to say that it's more interesting than the original video, though I haven't seen that in a decade. Vimeo is one of the user generated content sites that is relatively free from blatant copying. Perhaps copyrighted works are used as background music for these videos, but they are rarely, if ever, the central focus.

    That's why Vimeo is being sued. Not because their site is rife with copyright infringement. Not because their site encourages infringement over unique content. Specifically because the community at their site has flourished into one that consistently puts out unique user generated content of high quality. Vimeo is like YouTube with the noise turned down. This scares the pants off the content industry.

    As the trend towards Internet Television strengthens the monopolies of the content industry weaken. Quality user generated content is a direct competitor to professionally generated content. The content industry has a long history of using the legal system to ensure that they squash the competition. That's what they're doing here.

    I feel bad for Vimeo. They made an innocent video to show what a fun-loving bunch of wacky kids they are at their little Web 2.0 start up. They probably thought that like other various mashups and non-malicious infringements that their video would either fly under the radar or become a success such that the content owner would appreciate the attention drawn to their work and see the positive aspects of it. What they didn't realize is that they've become the nemesis of big business. Big business does not treat its adversaries well.

    1. Re:The Real Reason... by Khyber · · Score: 2, Informative

      PAY ATTENTION TO THE FUCKING TERMS OF SERVICE.

      In which they absolutely, clearly, in no unfuckingcertain terms:

      No commercial use of Vimeo. (simplified for those that don't want to read the legalese.)

      Demoing a goddamned game you developed is a commercial use - you're advertising to effect, and that's NOT ALLOWED.

      Why, yes, I am a paying Vimeo Plus user. I pay so they can afford to spend the time making sure I don't get a place cluttered with ADVERTISEMENTS. If you want to advertise your game, go to an advertisement service.

      Do NOT blame Vimeo for others failure to understand their ToS.

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  6. What's going on Vimeo? by appleprophet · · Score: 3, Informative

    I can't really feel bad for Vimeo here. Vimeo is well known for removing indie developer's video game videos without warning (see the Wolfire vimeowned post -- World of Goo and Fez are two other examples). Vimeo claim this is because of some copyright fears -- even though the developers obviously have the rights to show their own games!

    Looks like the tables have turned -- maybe if Vimeo had policed actual copyright violations instead of taking down video game developer's videos they would not be in this situation.

    1. Re:What's going on Vimeo? by Swift+Kick · · Score: 3, Informative

      Hi!

      You may not upload commercials, infomercials, or demos that actively sell or promote a product or service.

              * Exceptions: independent production companies, authors, musicians, non profits, churches, artists, and actors may show or promote the work they have created.

      From here. Arguably, a 'indie'/solo-guy developer that wants to show his game falls under under this exception.

      Can you tone it down just a tad, please?
       

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    2. Re:What's going on Vimeo? by canajin56 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Exceptions: independent production companies, authors, musicians, non profits, churches, artists, and actors may show or promote the work they have created.

      Musicians can use the site to advertise their CD. Movie makers can post their trailers. Artists can post samples of their work. Authors can talk about their new books. BUT FUCK INDY GAME DEVELOPERS, THEY AND THEY ALONE DON'T COUNT.

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  7. So? EMI gave us the DMCA, let them use it by Mathinker · · Score: 2, Informative

    Therefore the message being sent is that violations of EMI's intellectual property may or may not be (... are not :p) acted against by Vimeo.

    Vimeo cannot act against the use of EMI's music unless EMI gives them cause for action. TFA says that the labels have already lost a similar battle against Veoh, because Veoh smartly defended themselves that they are protected under the safe harbor provisions of the DMCA. The only reason Vimeo might not be similarly protected is if the labels can somehow show that Vimeo is actively encouraging the infringement (as opposed to merely passively waiting for DMCA takedowns). My point is that the quote in question would seem to be far from being a clear incitement to infringe on EMI's copyrighted music unless one assumes that most non-original music is EMI's music.

    BTW, this doesn't mean that I think the labels will necessarily lose. The quote is only one small piece of the evidence which is presented in the lawsuit.

  8. Hold your horses, not so clear by Mathinker · · Score: 2, Insightful

    TFA makes the point that the record companies already lost a similar suit against Veoh, when Veoh claimed safe harbor under the DMCA. The only reason Vimeo would not be similarly protected is if the labels can show that Vimeo is actively encouraging the infringements of their copyrighted works.

    So even if it is clear that lots of Vimeo videos use unlicensed music owned by the labels, it is not clear that the suit is valid.

    1. Re:Hold your horses, not so clear by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      it is not clear that the suit is valid.

      They don't care if the suit is valid. They just want to cost Vimeo money so the next guy or company who wants to do something perfectly legal will be afraid.

      I really don't think "valid" is a requirement for a record company lawsuit.

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    2. Re:Hold your horses, not so clear by dave87656 · · Score: 2, Informative

      They just want to cost Vimeo money so the next guy or company who wants to do something perfectly legal will be afraid.

      Can you imagine what the record companies would do in a world where artists marketed their works directly to the customer? There's only one thing to do: make that illegal or at least sue them out of existence.

  9. You have a vivid imagination by Mathinker · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The MPAA have nothing to do with this litigation, since the video content in question are original works ("lip dubs").

    Even if the MPAA were involved, they would have little trouble cooperating with RIAA. If someone were to post a clip of MPAA video redubbed with new RIAA audio, both organizations could sue independently. In other words, there would be no need for them to cooperate in the first place.

    You are greatly confused, but I found your post highly imaginative (and terrifically wishful thinking)...