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Cyber-Security Czar To Be Named

The Washington Post and everybody else is reporting that on Tuesday President Obama will name Howard A. Schmidt as cyber-security czar. Schmidt was an advisor to President Bush on cyber-security matters. The Post rehearses the reasons why the Obama administration has had difficulty in finding someone for the post, and notes that the turf battles did not start in this administration: "Schmidt was chosen after a long process in which dozens of people were sounded out. Many declined the post, largely out of concern that the job conferred much responsibility with little true authority, some of them said. Meanwhile, the cybersecurity chief at the National Security Council, Christopher Painter, has served as the de facto coordinator, trying to push ahead the 60-day cyberspace policy review plan unveiled by Obama in May. That plan's formulation was led by Melissa Hathaway, who resigned in frustration in August after delays in naming a cyber-coordinator. She had been a contender for the position... Schmidt served as special adviser for cyberspace security from 2001 to 2003 and shepherded the National Strategy to Secure Cyberspace, a plan that then was largely ignored. He left that job also frustrated, colleagues said."

139 comments

  1. Good luck with that, Howard by Jawn98685 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You are going to need it. "...much responsibility and little true authority..." is a recipe for failure and scapegoating. As it is so often in business, so it is even more so in government, the PHB's (those with the real authority) don't grasp the issues and will make bad decisions, forcing you to deal with the consequences.
    Get it in writing. There words and yours. Let there be as public a record as possible as to what recommendations were ignored.

    1. Re:Good luck with that, Howard by BCW2 · · Score: 0

      Typical Government job. All the responsibility and no authority to do anything.

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      Professional Politicians are not the solution, they ARE the problem.
    2. Re:Good luck with that, Howard by sakdoctor · · Score: 1

      Typical entry level government job.

      The aim is to hack your way to the top, where you have all the authority and no responsibility.

    3. Re:Good luck with that, Howard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey, I've got loads of security problems with my networks, anyone want a job (PS you may be liable for imprisonment for some time when people find out you were responsible for major security leaks)?

      How's Gary McKinnon able to hack into the Pentagon? Beacause security is / was poor. I think they only caught him after he used his girlfiends credit card to buy remote admin software (to install to systems he compromised). So do any of the more savvy criminals use their girlfriends credit card for such a purpose? I doubt it. Gary did mention that 100's of hackers were floating around - Chinese, Russian, you name it they were there.

    4. Re:Good luck with that, Howard by earlymon · · Score: 1

      "...much responsibility and little true authority..." is a recipe for failure and scapegoating.

      It's always bad for the executive monkey.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulcers_in_Executive_Monkeys

      --
      Pathological kinda promises Path + Logical - but instead, you get stuck with pathetic.
    5. Re:Good luck with that, Howard by BCW2 · · Score: 1

      This whole administration is nothing but theoreticians who have never actually done anything in the real world. Why would anyone expect good solutions to anything?

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      Professional Politicians are not the solution, they ARE the problem.
  2. Here comes XKCD by readthemall · · Score: 4, Insightful
    1. Re:Here comes XKCD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      tl;dr

  3. What's next by Alarindris · · Score: 2, Insightful

    the Fuhrer of Healthcare?

    1. Re:What's next by ddxexex · · Score: 3, Funny

      "Freedom Fuhrer" has a cooler ring to it...

    2. Re:What's next by Errol+backfiring · · Score: 1

      But the USA already has one. They call him "President".

      --
      Nae king! Nae laird! Nae yurrupiean pressedent! We willna be fooled again!
    3. Re:What's next by Icegryphon · · Score: 1

      More Czars than a bolsheviks wedding!

    4. Re:What's next by earlymon · · Score: 2, Informative

      What's next, the Fuhrer of Healthcare?

      Right on.

      The Prez called him a cyber-security coordinator - it was the dumb-ass reporter for TFA that introduced the word czar, once again.

      --
      Pathological kinda promises Path + Logical - but instead, you get stuck with pathetic.
    5. Re:What's next by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      "Freedom, how many crimes have been committed in your name?"

      Said allegedly by Manon Rolland before she was guillotined in 1793. It's interesting how little has changed since.

      --
      We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
    6. Re:What's next by Manchot · · Score: 2, Informative

      In all seriousness, "czar" is just an informal term that the media began using to describe these types of positions. Unfortunately, people who aren't very well-informed see the word and think that they represent some sort of communist plot to seize power. They really don't have any authority, and are ultimately just specialized advisors to the president.

    7. Re:What's next by Uniquitous · · Score: 2, Insightful

      True, but those people see communist plots hiding in every shadow. It's like a Rorschach test. They see what they want to see. The sad part is that they don't know the first thing about any of the -isms that they claim to despise; they just get good & mad whenever their talking heads tell them to.

    8. Re:What's next by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the Fuhrer of Healthcare?

      It's derived from "Caesar" (i.e. dictator):

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Czar

    9. Re:What's next by querent23 · · Score: 1

      +1 Funny.

  4. Re:The Googles by ickleberry · · Score: 1

    Since his name is "Schmidt" I'm assuming he knows all about The Google

  5. Just in time for Cristmas! by tbgreve · · Score: 0

    YEY!!! Another Czar!!! Merry Holiday time Comrades!!

    --
    "Be wary of the man who urges an action in which he himself incurs no risk."

    ~Joaquin Setanti

    1. Re:Just in time for Cristmas! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "comrade" is a communist term. They got rid of their Czars.

      (Cue for the in soviet russia jokes)

    2. Re:Just in time for Cristmas! by isama · · Score: 3, Funny

      In soviet russia You get rid of czar!
      In kapitalist america Czar gets rid of YOU!

  6. Named? by maxume · · Score: 1

    Given the sensitive nature of the job, they should go unnamed.

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    Nerd rage is the funniest rage.
  7. Hathaway by el_tedward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Wow, I didn't realize Hathaway had resigned.. but I guess that's why she didn't get the job, eh? I don't think this is the last resignation we'll see in the cyber security area.

    Hathaway seemed like she was really the best pick for the job, especially considering the 60 day cyberspace policy review thing she did. Not that I read through the entire thing, but she made some pretty interesting suggestions. For instance, she talked about how cyber security is not something that can just be centrally managed on a national level and then applied across different agencies. Each agency has to be forced to create a good information security culture for themselves (this is already happening, to an extent).

    The National Cyber Security Division within Homeland Security has been trying to do this. They have neither the resources, nor the authority to do this, however.. even though it's part of what their mission is. As a result, they've had some extreme issue when it comes to leadership, with almost no one lasting more than a year or so there without resigning.

    I wouldn't be surprised if I saw Mr. Schmidt resigning at some point, but hopefully having an experienced advisor with the Presidents ear will move cyber security up enough in the list of priorities so that people aren't scared just to take the job in first place.

  8. No takers? by MrMr · · Score: 2, Funny

    Not a single democrat willing to take the job...
    The party has just crawled up one notch in my esteem.

  9. Where are all those libertarians of convenience? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    You know, the ones who got all up in arms when Booosh!!! went berserk with "warrantless wiretaps"?

    Health care "reform" promises to jail people who don't pony up tens of thousands of dollars of their own money for health insurance, whether they want to spend that money or not.

    That is without a doubt the largest trampling of freedom in the history of the US.

  10. How would this work? by Bicx · · Score: 1

    I can understand why some of the potential candidates declined the offer. Trying to improve internet security from the level of a politician will be like trying to carry water in a spaghetti strainer. There are only two ways to really fix internet security: wait for technology to improve through private industry, or pull the plug. I really hope no attempt is made to use government funds to back a particular contractor. Traditional government funding provides little incentive for rapid improvement (your productivity does not affect your income, and a government-backed organization inevitably turns political inside and out, resulting in a long chain of ass-kissing).

    I really fear that more deals will be made with AT&T and other top infrastructure-owning companies. I am a big proponent of fair market, and each deal made between a private company and the government puts us one step farther away from equal competition. Stepping away from equal competition means it is that much harder for bright, new companies to enter the market.

  11. Yet another LITTLE KING by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Aern't you guys paying attention? Our country is benig overrun buy these UNELECTED leaders!!

    That's not in the CONSTITUION! Its from RUSSIA! happy party members get to b leadrs!!

    Hale to the thief comerad number 1. we need to recall Nobama he's ruining the contriy with socialsm and destroying our DEMOCRACY with comunism! did u vote for the czars/KINGS? I sure didnt

    Why do yuo think were in a recessoin and headed towwards a global crash??

    1. Re:Yet another LITTLE KING by EmperorKagato · · Score: 1

      Aern't you guys paying attention? Our country is benig overrun buy these UNELECTED leaders!!

      That's not in the CONSTITUION! Its from RUSSIA! happy party members get to b leadrs!!

      Hale to the thief comerad number 1. we need to recall Nobama he's ruining the contriy with socialsm and destroying our DEMOCRACY with comunism! did u vote for the czars/KINGS? I sure didnt

      Why do yuo think were in a recessoin and headed towwards a global crash??

      Oh you. It's a shame that are children believe this.

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      ----- You know you have ego issues when you register a domain in your name.
    2. Re:Yet another LITTLE KING by Opportunist · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Why do yuo think were in a recessoin and headed towwards a global crash??

      Umm... because unfettered market was allowed to play hazard games with our economy? Because people were in charge whose primary interest was to fill their own pockets no matter what happens to the whole economy and we let it happen due to no laws regulating what they can or cannot do?

      I didn't vote for greedy bankers tossing our economy in favor of their own wallets but guess what: You don't get to elect them!

      --
      We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
  12. Who? by kaaona · · Score: 1

    Captain Dunsel comes to mind...

  13. No Authority by Virtucon · · Score: 1

    None of these diverse organizations in the Federal Government will cede authority to an appointed bureaucrat. His office may come up with standards but adoption will face tremendous hurdles of anything that he comes up with. There's too much entropy in Washington IT and it's governed by consultants and contractors all with their own agendas. Couple that with a full time workforce that is largely unaffected by any thought of losing their jobs over something like IT Security and you have a lose/lose situation.

    Most of the Federal Bureaucracies in IT serve the budget and unless congress mandates some sort of funding strings I doubt that you'll see any positive movement in security the litany of websites, servers and other things that contain government information.

    --
    Harrison's Postulate - "For every action there is an equal and opposite criticism"
  14. Scapegoat by 2gravey · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Funny, they had to give the job back to the last guy who had it because no one else would take it. I wouldn't take it either, because that guy is going to get strung up by the angry mob when the inevitable Chinese cyber-strike occurs.

  15. This is the best and brightest? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I've met Howard Schmidt several times at security events, and I think he's best suited for writing articles for the trade mags and speaking on the lecture circuit than he is for real information security work. Hre just strikes me as nothing more than a charlatan.

    It's hard to meet the guy and come away liking him too, his ego fills the room, and since he's an "honorary" professor at several colleges with security initiatives, he inists on everyone calling him "professor schmidt." Reminds me of the maestro from "Seinfeld."

    I don't know how he could be taken seriously after he did an infomercial on youtube for his alma matta, the University of Phoenix: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ep2ykil-cmU

    1. Re:This is the best and brightest? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here's a nice analysis of Schmidt as well:

      http://blogs.seattleweekly.com/dailyweekly/

  16. if you don't have health insurance by circletimessquare · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    and you have a heart attack, the hospital cannot turn you away, for simple ethical reasons. so when the bill comes due, and you can't pay, i have to pay for that out of my pocket. this is an imposition on MY freedom

    if you have a car accident and have no insurance, they suspend your license. is this a horrible imposition on your freedom? no, its a horrible imposition on everyone else's freedom to drive around without insurance, and you deserve to be punished

    if you understand that simple common sense, maybe you understand why you HAVE to buy insurance, and if you do not have insurance and you cost the taxpayers $20K to cover your hospital bills, you SHOULD be punished, for imposing on everyone else

    there's no such thing as freedom from responsibility, asshole

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    intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
    1. Re:if you don't have health insurance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      What is the difference the taxpayer is going to be paying for all of it anyway. Maybe the next time you get your paycheck, why don't you look at the taxes the government is taking from you. One of those is FICA.. You will see it. We already cover these people and now under the OBAMANATION we get to subsidize them even more. You are wrong the freedom from responsibility rests with these government tit suckers. While we (the taxpayer) continue to shoulder the load and have the responsibility of paying more.

    2. Re:if you don't have health insurance by Bicx · · Score: 2

      I'm pretty sure we'll have plenty of people costing taxpayers $20K regardless of the required insurance. If you're too poor to be able to be able to pay for insurance, you're probably in the bracket which will have almost completely government-subsidized insurance. If you have enough to pay for insurance but don't, odds are that you can pony up some money for the hospital bill. If you're in this position but can't pay, then you should be forced to foot the bill as a debt. However, I'm willing to bet (from my personal experience anyway) that the majority of people who currently use the emergency room for free care are also at the poverty level that would allow them highly-subsidized insurance. Therefore, we're all still probably going to take a hit, but it might just be more distributed.

      It really comes down to how we foot the hospital bills for the poor, either through high hospital bills or mandatory insurance for those who can pay. Anyone else taking advantage of the system should be punished.

    3. Re:if you don't have health insurance by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And THIS is what is wrong with American thinking and why "Universal Health Care" will never work. EVERYONE is thinking about 'me me me' and the bottom line on THEIR wallet.

      Every single other first world nation in the world has figured out health care for everyone, and as far as I can tell they haven't devolved into chaos. It's not a matter of money. If we cut Military spending in half and quit tried being the world's big brother we could easily fund full health care for everyone in the US including some 'elective' surgeries like Lasik. The fundamental reason why universal health care won't work in America is thinking like this.

      I got to take all 8 days of vacation to India this year for a wedding where I met quite a few travelers from Europe. Not a single one has this mentality. Not a single one worried about how those 'bums' were imposing on 'their' freedom.

      Some other nice amenities that those 'socialist' countries get that we don't: We are the only country that has no mandatory parental leave. This graph is in weeks. Way down at that tail end is the United States with 0 days. We also have the proud distinction of being the only country with 0 minimum days of vacation..

      If I had fewer ties to America, I would move to one of those 'socialist' countries in a heart beat. I would gladly give 70% income tax to know that I (or my children) are covered cradle to grave (including while on vacation out of the country). School (including college), healthcare, maternity leave, unemployment, etc etc.

      Hopefully when you reach the age you need to move into a home, your family makes the right decision and just has you euthanized instead, wouldn't want you imposing on their freedoms.

    4. Re:if you don't have health insurance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >0 minimum days of vacation
      WTF ? I thought slavery was abolished ?

    5. Re:if you don't have health insurance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, the fact that you have a shitty job, that only gives you eight days of vacation and no parental leave is a reason to mandate that I offer it to my employees? Get a better job, and STFU. Better yet, start your own business, and offer your employees 4 weeks of paid vacation and six months paid parental leave. You should be able to attract great people; what's stopping you?

      By the way, we do offer more vacation than you are receiving, plus parental leave. But times are tough, and it is nice to have the flexibility to be able to ratchet back benefits to save a few jobs, if necessary.

      As a small business owner, we have two budgets for 2010, one strictly as a contingent plan for if the current health care bill passes (or something similar). And our contingent budget has 9% less staff.

      Want less jobs? The current bill should do it. I have very real, anecdotal evidence to support this.

      Congratulations. Now we've built a society that has more dependence on government. Call me greedy, because I make smart financial decisions, if you'd like. But I take a lot of pride in providing jobs for people for the long run, and so smart day-to-day financial decisions are necessary, even if they are a bit ruthless.

      Anyone who shares the attitudes that you expressed in your post should spend one year as a small business owner, trying to create jobs instead of looking for the government to take care of you, before you show your ignorance.

    6. Re:if you don't have health insurance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If we cut Military spending in half and quit tried being the world's big brother we could easily fund full health care for everyone in the US

      And what do you think are the chances of that happening in reality? I'd put them roundabout the low end of zero.

    7. Re:if you don't have health insurance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then go to another country. I sure as hell don't want to pay for your lasik, and can find a much better use on that 70% than pay for other people shortcomings. Don't you understand that you are pretty much a slave to the state at this point. Sooner or later the producers will stop producing then were will you be? Will you force them to produce at the point of a gun? I am proud to say that my life is all about me me me, and I don't want to babysit you you you.

    8. Re:if you don't have health insurance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If I had fewer ties to America, I would move to one of those 'socialist' countries in a heart beat. That is the whole point, we are a great nation and all of these thing that TIE you here are because we are not like those other countries. We left those countries and formed our own for the very reason of what they are. And now those people with those mindsets are trying to make this country something it was not and never intended to be. You are trying to have your cake and eat it too. To live off the bounty of the freedoms in this country and yet bad mouthing the very thing that you are enjoying.

    9. Re:if you don't have health insurance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and you have a heart attack, the hospital cannot turn you away, for simple ethical reasons. so when the bill comes due, and you can't pay, i have to pay for that out of my pocket. this is an imposition on MY freedom

      if you have a car accident and have no insurance, they suspend your license. is this a horrible imposition on your freedom? no, its a horrible imposition on everyone else's freedom to drive around without insurance, and you deserve to be punished

      if you understand that simple common sense, maybe you understand why you HAVE to buy insurance, and if you do not have insurance and you cost the taxpayers $20K to cover your hospital bills, you SHOULD be punished, for imposing on everyone else

      there's no such thing as freedom from responsibility, asshole

      You HAVE to allow the government to read all your mail and listen to all your phone calls, because there MIGHT be a terrorist somewhere.

      Same "logic".

    10. Re:if you don't have health insurance by Shakrai · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      EVERYONE is thinking about 'me me me' and the bottom line on THEIR wallet.

      My god, the nerve of wanting to keep the money you've labored to earn. The nerve I tell you!

      If we cut Military spending in half and quit tried being the world's big brother we could easily fund full health care for everyone in the US

      Except the rest of the world doesn't want us to do this. To be sure, they hem and haw when we wield our military power -- but taken as a whole the US is a stabilizing force on the world and nobody wants that to go away. Even some Chinese leaders have been quoted as saying that they see this as America's place in the world (at least for the time being)

      I got to take all 8 days of vacation to India this year for a wedding where I met quite a few travelers from Europe. Not a single one has this mentality. Not a single one worried about how those 'bums' were imposing on 'their' freedom.

      And in many (most?) parts of Europe they don't have real free speech, can't keep and bear arms and are slowly having their rights taken away by an unelected cabal of bureaucrats in Brussels. As with everything in life, it's a trade-off. Just because you are willing to pay 70% income taxes and surrender your liberty doesn't mean the rest of us are.

      We are the only country that has no mandatory parental leave

      Umm, I take it you've never heard of FMLA?

      We also have the proud distinction of being the only country with 0 minimum days of vacation. [wikipedia.org].

      So what? You do realize that if you mandate vacation time you raise the cost of hiring new employees to the point that many businesses just won't bother, right? Again, everything is a trade-off.

      Hopefully when you reach the age you need to move into a home, your family makes the right decision and just has you euthanized instead, wouldn't want you imposing on their freedoms.

      My family won't have to make that choice because I'm setting aside money for that possibility and will probably invest in long term care insurance as well.

      Now I await my -1 off-topic mod even though you've got a +5 for something that's equally off-topic. Right-of-center political ideas = off-topic, even in political discussions. Left-of-center political ideas = +5 insightful, regardless of the story at hand.

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      We are the United States Government! We don't do that sort of thing.
    11. Re:if you don't have health insurance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, the fact that you have a shitty job, that only gives you eight days of vacation and no parental leave is a reason to mandate that I offer it to my employees?

      No, actually. If you re-read his post, you'll see that he states that because everyone has a shitty job that he wants to mandate vacation and parental leave.

      You might want to work on your reading comprehension before posting further.

    12. Re:if you don't have health insurance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now I await my -1 off-topic mod even though you've got a +5 for something that's equally off-topic. Right-of-center political ideas = off-topic, even in political discussions. Left-of-center political ideas = +5 insightful, regardless of the story at hand.

      That's because you're an asshole, and it's obvious to people who have mod points. But go on whining and sniffling about how you've been mistreated, you stupid fuck.

    13. Re:if you don't have health insurance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well played troll. State something that is obviously incorrect, and then add a personal insult.

      If there's a reading comprehension problem, that would be yours. The post in question does not state that everyone has a shitty job. In fact, it was the reply that mentioned that the original poster has a shitty job (and stated that his/her employees have extensive vacation and parental leave.)

      If the post in question stated that everyone had a shitty job (as you claim), then there would be no desire to move to another country (since everyone is in the same boat with shitty jobs everywhere).

  17. A first by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The first non-socialist, non-tax-cheat appointed by the administration!

    1. Re:A first by SEWilco · · Score: 0, Troll

      The first non-socialist, non-tax-cheat appointed by the administration!

      Someone else already said he's not a Democrat.

  18. It depends upon how he works it. by khasim · · Score: 1

    Since there's no authority, he cannot force anyone to do anything.

    Since he is the "Czar", he CAN make recommendations.

    Any department that doesn't follow his recommendations is on their own when they get cracked.

    Any department that DOES follow his recommendations has an easy out when they get cracked. They blame him.

    Meanwhile, he's busy setting up all of his family and friends with high paying, low responsibility jobs with the companies trying to get him to "recommend" their products/services.

    1. Re:It depends upon how he works it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mod parent up!

      I've seen huge conflict of interest issues with Schmidt in the past. Notably, vendors where Schmidt has a board position will try to sell products by using recommendations from the Ponemon Institute. Schmidt, by the way, also works for the Ponemon Institute.

      Call it coincidence or conflict of interest, but there is real credibility issues with this guy.

  19. Letting Obama off easy by lseltzer · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Don't let Obama off easy on the "turf wars" thing. He specifically promised multiple times in the campaign to hire a security czar who would report directly to him and have real authority.

    For months nobody would accept this position because it was set to report both to the National Security Council and National Economic Council and have no budgetary authority. Now it seems that he will report only to the National Security Council, but this still breaks Obama's promise, although this is hardly the only time he tossed aside a campaign promise.

  20. the pasha of pulchritude by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

    the emir of enigmas

    the nawab of nosiness

    the sahib of silliness

    the khan of the kafkaesque

    you can have fun with this all day

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    intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
  21. It's not even practical by MikeRT · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Each federal department behaves differently. Agencies like the various DoD support and intelligence agencies, not to mention the CIA which is its own separate agency unto itself from any department, are not going to let the yahoos from Homeland Security or Justice tell them what to do or even be in on the conversation about how they organize and communicate, especially with regard to classified information.

    A cyber-security czar who cannot command the CIA and DoD agencies is quite literally one with no practical authority since those groups are the majority of what matters with real, important IT security in the federal government.

  22. Czar Howard II by lseltzer · · Score: 1

    Schmidt wasn't just "a former Bush administration official," he was the first cybersecurity czar, appointed shortly after 9/11 and contributed to the National Strategy to Secure Cyberspace. I suppose they didn't get it right the first time, but things will be different now.

    1. Re:Czar Howard II by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      his educational background is what worries me. University of Phoenix? Really?

    2. Re:Czar Howard II by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You gotta watch the YouTube infomercial he did for U of Phoenix. He talks about the school like it's Dartmouth, even stating that he is planning on sending the grandson to the University of Phoenix because it's his legacy school!

      I hope the kid doesn't revolt against the Schmidt Legacy and go to DEVRY!

  23. Re:The Googles by Steauengeglase · · Score: 1

    You don't know anything. You checks the google to make sure the pipes are working, then you check the mcaffee to make sure it is secure.

  24. hey, moron by circletimessquare · · Score: 1, Interesting

    if you buy health insurance right now, it continues to climb in price like no tomorrow, covers less and less every day, all to support a bloated inefficient system of companies competing to deny you coverage. under a single payer system, even if the government was 10x more inefficient and bureaucratic, it would still be cheaper, and you would be paying for a healthcare entity whose mandate is to take care of YOU, not some fucking stockholder

    universal health care coverage is so fucking obviously superior to what we have now, i can only conclude morons and assholes who defy it do so only out of some alien atavistic hatred for simple, obvious progress

    are you like those townhall retards who stand up and shout "big government, keep your socialist hands off my medicare!" (snicker)

    you're going to PAY for healthcare one way or another genius. the current way you pay for it sucks FAR FAR WORSE than a government run system could ever be. try to understand the fucking obvious someday

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    intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
    1. Re:hey, moron by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      In your earlier post, you stated "there is no freedom from responsibility". I agree with you on that, but why should everyone be punished for the crimes of a few? In my state it is now illegal to buy pseudoephedrine over the counter because a few idiots chose to use it to make Meth.

      I wish everyone would take more responsibility for themselves, but I think forcing people to buy something they can't afford or don't need is a bad precedent, not to mention unconstitutional.

      But this is supposed to be a discussion about cyber-security.

    2. Re:hey, moron by shentino · · Score: 1

      Typical knee-jerk reaction meant only to appease the hue and cry of an angry electorate by sweeping the problem under the carpet where it can't be seen.

    3. Re:hey, moron by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I guess Libertarian views are unwelcome here at slashdot.org

    4. Re:hey, moron by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "universal health care coverage is so fucking obviously superior to what we have now" actually it is not. Not the way they are trying to do it at least. Why does health care have to be about insurance, government or private. Wouldn't it be far better to take the money being used foolishly here and instead hire more front line dr's. Military units survive on medical services by medics and corpsmen. You could hire 100,000 corpsmen/medics for a mere percentage (under 5%) of what will be wasted on insurance. These 100,000 medical personnel would be able to treat those in need. And in fact would drive the prices of current insurance down.

    5. Re:hey, moron by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Once again you show your ignorance. Government is the reason it's so high to begin with. FIRST the government tells insurance companies who and what they are going to cover in a state. Which decreases competition, because some insurance companies are not going to do business in that state because of the coverage that is required. SECOND, because the gov is soooo involved that they will only pay for x amount for a service. I would like someone come to YOUR work and say you job pays this much, but..... we think that is to high so we will only pay you 40% of what you deserve. WELCOME to medicare and medicaid. They only pay so much for a service regardless how much it cost the doctor to do. And since we cannot charge insurance one rate and gov another.. ALL OF IT goes up. SINCE you are soooo into the gov and it's programs, can you name me a gov program that works and is efficient? If you don't like the system then why don't you move to some country that has your system, since you hate this country so. Just move. Go live in Canada or Europe and then come back and tell me if the system is soooo wonderful.

    6. Re:hey, moron by moeinvt · · Score: 1

      "the current way you pay for [health care] sucks FAR FAR WORSE than a government run system could ever be"

      Never underestimate the Federal government's unparalleled talent for making things "suck".

      Just in the last decade, the government in Washington D.C. has brought you two illegal and un-Constitutional wars, The Patriot Act, military commissions act, extraordinary renditions, torture, an absurd loose monetary policy which caused the housing bubble, trillions of dollars of handouts to the biggest banks and financial institutions in the nation, warrantless wiretapping and ex-post facto immunity for the telecoms, irresponsible fiscal policy adding trillions to the national debt and a general disregard for The Constitution and the rule of law. Are you saying that you want to give this VERY SAME government power over the healthcare system? Are you also saying that you trust them to manage it in a way that's for the general good of the U.S. population?

      Only morons, government employees, and a few wealthy elites that benefit from Washington DC's generally disastrous policies would be in favor of giving even more power to the government. The only fucking obvious thing that I can see is that the big government experiment of the 20th century is an utter and complete failure.

    7. Re:hey, moron by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  25. Re:Where are all those libertarians of convenience by Alarindris · · Score: 1

    I just meant czar is an inappropriate name...

  26. Just in time! by SEWilco · · Score: 1

    Of course we need a Cyber-Security Car. With so many cars getting electronic enhancements, even becoming WiFi hot spots, it is obvious that we need more security for them. However, they should all have security, not only one car. Unless one Cyber-Security Car offers so much protection that a single one in an area is able to protect a nearby herd of cars. I hope the manufacturers quickly add security, so the government won't try to control the kinds of security in cars.

  27. One other way. by khasim · · Score: 1

    There are only two ways to really fix internet security: wait for technology to improve through private industry, or pull the plug.

    One other way. The government can mandate standards that all products must meet in order to be considered for purchase by the government.

    Think TCP/IP.

    Then, keep extending the spec as new advances are made. But keep it focused on different vendors supplying different segments ... and all working together because they all follow the same spec.

    1. Re:One other way. by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      That works fine until someone comes along with an "enhanced", "superior" model with "better" security, who gets the job because it's "better". Notably better at securing landing the next contract due to proprietary "secure" standards that won't be compatible with anything else.

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  28. everyone suffers for the crimes of a few, always by circletimessquare · · Score: 3, Insightful

    if there were no laws against pseudoephedrine, you'd have more meth makers, and all of the society wide suffering that goes with that. the fact you can't buy pseudoephedrine is a different kind of suffering, but a smaller scale of suffering than not having the law around

    life is not about black and white choices, its about shades of grey.you examine the issue in a vacuum, without the context of the negatives of your other choices, and this makes you have these hysterical opinions

    and you NEED health insurance. even 21 yo marathoners have heart attacks and broken legs. if you believe you don't need health insurance, you have some sort of god complex, and then you definitely need mental health coverage

    as for not affording it, you can't afford NOT to have it

    as for making you pay for it: why force people to pay taxes? why not make it voluntary? because people are fucking irresponsible, and they won't pay for taxes, health insurance, or a whole bunch of other things they need but are usually too stupid to understand why they need it. so you NEED to force them because if given a choice, people won't do the right thing. which is pay your fucking taxes and pay your fucking health insurance. you HAVE to, because it is your RESPONSIBILITY as a member of SOCIETY from which you derive BENEFITS

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  29. Should have called him "Minister of Information" by Errol+backfiring · · Score: 1

    And suddenly it is the Mother of all Jobs!

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  30. Re:everyone suffers for the crimes of a few, alway by alvinrod · · Score: 1, Insightful

    as for making you spread your beliefs: why force people to believe in god? why not make it voluntary? because people are fucking irresponsible, and they won't believe in god, follow his rules, or a whole bunch of other things they need but are usually too stupid to understand why they need it. so you NEED to force them because if given a choice, people won't do the right thing. which is have faith and have their souls safe from damnation. you HAVE to, because it is your RESPONSIBILITY as a member of GOD'S CHILDREN from which you derive SALVATION.

    I hope you know realize why your argument sounds fucking ridiculous. I would have no objection to government health care if my participation were voluntary. Otherwise, you're essentially removing choice and freedom from the equation. If you want me to foot the bill for someone else's medical care, you can sure as hell bet I'm going to want to have a say in how their life is run. They'd better damn well eat right, quit smoking and drinking, not engage in any risky behavior, and must exercise properly. If they're hellbent on taking away my freedom, they can kiss theirs goodbye as well.

    You can go ahead and bring out the list of all of the wonderful things that I get from taxes or society, but save yourself the trouble. If they cost something, I'd prefer to pay based on what I consume, not some blanket tax from the federal government that pays for all kinds of crap I don't want ranging from social security to wars in the Middle East.

    You can't have freedom without responsibility.

  31. Re:everyone suffers for the crimes of a few, alway by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So, because some people drive drunk, we should outlaw alcohol? Yeah, that went over really well in the 1920s.

  32. Re:everyone suffers for the crimes of a few, alway by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Let me explain what's wrong with your logic.

    You tell me I NEED health insurance, because 21 year old marathoners have heart attacks and broken legs.

    How much does a heart attack or a broken leg cost? I'm guessing treatment for a heart attack might be $10M at the VERY high end, including a rush to the hospital, emergency heart replacement surgery, ongoing treatment and recovery. Broken Leg, not so much - maybe $100K, including fixing the bone sticking through my skin, fixing busted pieces, ongoing therapy.

    But let's say that my ridiculously high estimates are low by a factor of ten.

    So that means that the heart attack can be covered by $100M. That seems safe. Agree?

    How many $100M events is it possible that someone might have in their lifetime? First, I'd argue that No ONE has a $100M event. But, ok, let's say that the worst case imaginable, some unfortunate person has ten of these catastrophic events in their life. Would you agree, worst case, that someone's lifetime healthcare upper limit is a Billion Dollars? I can't imagine it's any higher. Can you?

    OK, so why does EVERYBODY need insurance?
    I mean, there are billionaires out there. Are you assuming that I am not one of them?

  33. you don't understand what freedom is by circletimessquare · · Score: 2, Informative

    according to any philosphical understanding of what freedom means conceptually, freedom has never meant behavior which imposes on other people. your problem is you don't understand in which direction the imposition is happening in the healthcare debate. the issue is not that the government is imposing on you to pay for health insurance, the issue is you are imposing on society thinking you can walk around without health insurance

    "You can't have freedom without responsibility."

    this is exactly right. it is your responsibility to take care of your health. if you don't do that, you are not exercising a freedom of yours, you are acting irresponsibly. you are willfully or ignorantly avoiding the fact that if you are passed out on the ground, we can't simply walk by you, we have to take you to the hospital, or we aren't being ethical. therefore you MUST get health insurance because this is your RESPONSIBILITY. not having insurance is not a right or a freedom you are exercising, it is an act of IRRESPONSIBILITY you are committing

    do you understand now?

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    1. Re:you don't understand what freedom is by aztracker1 · · Score: 1

      What's wrong with just billing everyone. Insurance is a scheme run by the same banking institutions that f'd up the economy already. The fact is, if people were simply billed for their healthcare costs with a decent rate of repayment, then costs would remain lower and pricing would be more consistent. As it is, the "insurance" is used to obfuscate and inflate costs by hospitals so that they overcharge, then get underpaid. If people were billed directly, then costs would remain lower, and it would be possible to get a medical quote for something other than dental, eye and cosmetic procedures that are more commonly paid for out of pocket, and the costs are relatively low.

      With dentists, eye doctors, and cosmetic surgeons the pricing is far lower for procedures of similar complexity to those performed by other types of doctors, because insurance programs only inflate the problem. Similar to how credit has inflated the cost of housing and cars. Funding into for-profit insurance companies is akin to asking the fox to guard the hen house, and then wondering why the losses are so high.

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    2. Re:you don't understand what freedom is by alvinrod · · Score: 1

      "you are willfully or ignorantly avoiding the fact that if you are passed out on the ground, we can't simply walk by you, we have to take you to the hospital, or we aren't being ethical."

      I don't subscribe to your ethics, so I don't believe your conclusion follows. I'm only imposing on society, if I think society needs to solve all of my problems at no cost to me. If you are passed out on the ground, I can simply choose to walk by without caring. Police officers or other public servants may be required to offer assistance as part of their job, but as a member of the public no such obligations exist for me.

      I would probably see if you were alive and needed further help, since it doesn't really cost me anything, but after that it's not my problem. If you don't have insurance or can't pay for your medical bills, you can only get help at the expense of someone else, either through their charity or through force. Medical care isn't some unlimited resource that can be freely conjured up at need. It has a cost, and I don't see why I should be stuck paying for you or anyone else if I am unable to limit that cost to myself by running your life for you.

      In a certain sense it could be considered irresponsible not to have insurance or wealth stored to deal with any kind of emergency. I do not believe it is right to force my beliefs of what constitutes responsible behavior on anyone else as long as they do not force their beliefs on me. What I consider irresponsible is to let people make their own free choices, many of which I would consider poor or irresponsible, and then force me to pay for the consequences of their own actions.

      If you can't be a good example, at least you can be a horrible warning. If someone chooses not to take care of their health, let them be a horrible warning.

    3. Re:you don't understand what freedom is by moeinvt · · Score: 1

      "freedom has never meant behavior which imposes on other people."

      Agreed.

      "... you are imposing on society thinking you can walk around without health insurance"

      Just by THINKING it? :-)

      Only in the twisted context where we have made "society"(i.e. government) responsible for the well being of the individual.

    4. Re:you don't understand what freedom is by alvinrod · · Score: 1

      I agree with much of what you say, but it will still be necessary to have health insurance to cover serious health issues.

      It's unlikely that you will ever be presented with dental bill in the hundreds of thousand of dollars, but that's a possibility for a hospital bill. Most people can't pay that out of pocket, so they get insurance to cover those cases. The main problem, as you point out, is that people have started to use insurance to cover all medical expenses, even those that could be easily paid for out of pocket, such as check-ups or minor medical procedures which are not overly complex.

      Technology can be used to drive down the costs of medicine more than any method of health insurance. It's possible to imagine that in the future, heart surgery need not be complex or expensive. Of course, there will be some need bleeding edge procedure which is incredibly expensive to take the old expensive procedures place.

      I have no objection to a public option, so long as it is both optional and not my only option. I do not, however, wish to be stuck paying for something that I do not want.

    5. Re:you don't understand what freedom is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      You seem to be suffer from a great misunderstanding of medical billing and reimbursement. Cosmetic surgeons bill their patients directly (and usually up front before services are rendered). Their prices are fairly exorbitant for relatively simple procedures (e.g. breast augmentation via implant; ~ 10K per side) as compared to what medicare, or even PPO insurance will pay a physician for something as complex as coronary bypass surgery (medicare avg ~ $2200).

      Having third-party payers is what "distorts" pricing in this way. Interestingly, people will galdly pay tens of thousands of dollars for cosmetic procedures but god forbid, they have to pay for actual medical care when they get sick. That is what insurance is for after all.

      Perhaps we should scrap insurance for a while and let "the market" set prices.

    6. Re:you don't understand what freedom is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you are passed out on the ground, I can simply choose to walk by without caring. Police officers or other public servants may be required to offer assistance as part of their job, but as a member of the public no such obligations exist for me.

      Actually, even as just a citizen you do have a legal obligation to offer any assistance you can without exposing yourself to "unreasonable risk".

      However, the point about police officers is interesting otherwise as well. Why are you as a taxpayer willing to pay for the service they provide? Or are you? Would you instead prefer "crime insurance", which covers intervention and investigation costs by a (private) police service. And are you thus willing to accept that if you're the victim of a burglary and don't have such insurance, no attempts to catch the perpetrator will be made unless you or your insurance covers the costs?

      If someone chooses not to take care of their health, let them be a horrible warning.

      Just to get this straight: If someone is born with a medical condition, which could be treated so that they could lead relatively normal lives and be productive members of society, you just say "tough luck" instead?

    7. Re:you don't understand what freedom is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you are passed out on the ground, I can simply choose to walk by without caring. Police officers or other public servants may be required to offer assistance as part of their job, but as a member of the public no such obligations exist for me.

      I would probably see if you were alive and needed further help, since it doesn't really cost me anything, but after that it's not my problem.

      Just FYI: It's good that you would "probably" do so because otherwise you would commit a felony.

    8. Re:you don't understand what freedom is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe your values don't oblige you to help in an emergency but the law does. You have to assist until a public official (emergency personnel, the police or the 911 operator) tells you that you may leave. You can, however, seek compensation afterwards for any expenses incurred.

  34. if are a billionaire, you don't have to buy health insurance, because you can afford a sudden huge healthcare expense

    now would like to comment on the reality of sudden horrible unaffordable health expenses for the other 99.9999% of us?

    pfffffft

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    1. Re:ok by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure.

      Since your argument was founded on an incorrect assumption, which was easily shot down, there's no need. And since your argument was based on ridiculously high-odd events (a 21-year old having a heart attack), it seemed appropriate to show you how stupid your argument was, through analysis.

      However, one can perform a similar analysis, and calculate an expected cost per person of health care. For me, my "expected cost of care" is WELL under my net worth (and I am FAR from being a billionaire), and so health insurance is a choice, not a necessity.

      Your argument seems to be based on the assumption that people can't afford catastrophic events, without regard for the probability of such catastrophic events. I proved that some people can. I know I can.

      So you've rephrased your argument to claim that only one in a million can afford their healthcare without insurance. This, too, is false (as I am far from being one of the 300 richest Americans (out of 300M Americans), yet I can easily afford my healthcare without insurance).

      The real situation is that (a) the vast majority of Americans can afford routine health expenses, and (b) a very small minority of those will have catastrophic events that they cannot afford. Part "(a)" MUST be true, or no insurance program would ever work. After all, it's these same Americans that you are trying to legislate government confiscation of wealth (taxes) in order to pay for the routine care that you advocate.

      Government bureaucracy and Insurance companies do NOT increase the dollars filtered through them; they reduce the dollars. For every dollar brought into the tax system and filtered through insurance companies, significantly less than a dollar comes out to pay for health care. Anyone with common sense should be able to see that government and insurance adds drag to the efficiency of the dollars spent on healthcare.

      Supporters of the Obama-care program seem to want everyone to be forced into a program that 1) I've already shown that not everyone needs, and 2) actually adds to the cost of healthcare due to the drag of government and insurance. In an effort to "make healthcare affordable", you are making it more expensive.

      This is senseless and illogical.

      But if you can't see how illogical your argument is, let me take another stab at it:

      Society already accepts certain limits on healthcare costs today, and along with those limits comes a certain rate of morbidity and inconvenience. We don't, for example, assign personal live-in doctors for each citizen, or build emergency rooms in each neighborhood. We've accepted that some people are going to die on the way to the hospital, and (although it's a shame), there's an implied cost/benefit trade-off. In fact, if you took the time to do the math, you could arrive at a dollar value of a human life - we're willing to pay $X to save lives, but we're not willing to pay more to save more. That's today, and it's very much reality. And in ANY society, with ANY healthcare program, that's how it works. This is not a free-for-all, where "unlimited costs to save a life" are considered acceptable.

      The fact of the matter is that some people are going to die on the way to the hospital. The reason that society has accepted this tragedy is that money can be spent in better ways to benefit society. It's a cost/benefit trade-off.

      Now, if it's YOUR dad, mom, sister, etc., that dies because the decisions of society, then it feels wrong. And if it's an innocent baby, then it feels worse. But using emotion to determine policy is the way to end up with bad policy. What we really should be looking at is this: What is the best way for society to spend money, to benefit society? And confiscation through taxes, to give it back has inherent inefficiencies. Yet that's what the current plan does.

      We, as a society, have already agreed that a certain amount of morbidity is acceptable, when we consider the

  35. Not a bad choice though there is a missed criteria by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not a bad choice given the constraints. My only complaint is that he has no Internet backbone experience, which will hurt his ability to communicate with those groups (which form and direct most of the real internet...the feds are only a teeny spec).

    If I were he, I would make a call to the head of US CERT, and to each backbone provider asap to get the real scoop.

  36. no, we should outlaw drunk driving by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

    duh

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  37. Re:everyone suffers for the crimes of a few, alway by Duradin · · Score: 1

    I hope you have your grave dug and paid for so that when you do suffer some unexpected ailment you can crawl in and not use any of the services you decided not to pay into. That's the responsible thing to do.

  38. Re:everyone suffers for the crimes of a few, alway by Shakrai · · Score: 1

    and you NEED health insurance. even 21 yo marathoners have heart attacks and broken legs. if you believe you don't need health insurance, you have some sort of god complex, and then you definitely need mental health coverage

    Just because you think I NEED it doesn't make a mandate from the Federal Government requiring me to buy it any more Constitutional.

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  39. i know you need it by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

    are you immune to sudden unforeseen health costs that you can't afford? unless you are a billionaire, the answer is no

    therefore, as a matter of objective fact, you do need health insurance. furtermore, it must be mandated, because there are so many morons out there like you who can't tell the difference between a responsibility and a freedom

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    1. Re:i know you need it by Shakrai · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Congratulations on completely ignoring my point. You must be a TV pundit or member of Congress to stick to your talking points with such efficiency. Shall I call you Mr. Olbermann or Mr. Schemer?

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  40. DEFCON by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Didn't Dark Tangent get nominated ?

  41. job interview . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    President Obama: Good afternoon Mr. Schmidt, could you tell us who you worked for previous in cyber-security?

    Howard A. Schmidt: Microsoft .. :o

    1. Re:job interview . by jc42 · · Score: 1

      President Obama: Good afternoon Mr. Schmidt, could you tell us who you worked for previous[sic] in cyber-security?

      Howard A. Schmidt: Microsoft ...

      Yeah, I'd guess a lot of us are thinking that. Funny that the summary didn't mention that little fact. One of the guys who was responsible for the "security" measures that brought us the botnet phenomenon is now the one responsible for the government's computer-security policies.

      So does this mean that the US government will be mandating changes that make all other OSs part of the botnets?

      Yesterday's story about the botnet masters buying into the ISPs' businesses and "going legit" was just just to soften us up for today's computer security story.

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  42. wait for the private industry to fix security ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "There are only two ways to really fix internet security: wait for technology to improve through private industry, or pull the plug"

    You mean like TCP/IP or SSH or KERBEROS ?

    "each deal made between a private company and the government puts us one step farther away from equal competition"

    You mean like when Homeland Security standardized on Microsoft Windows ?

  43. my point is completely logical and solid by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

    question: can you drive without insurance?

    answer: no, and you are punished if you get in accident and you do not have insurance

    why? because you are imposing on everyone else's freedoms, by forcing them to pay for your accidents. you understand that, right?

    if you understand that, why do you not understand the simple obvious logic about health care insurance? not getting health insurance is not you exercising a freedom of yours. not getting health insurance is you not fulfilling a responsibility of yours. can you honestly tell me with a straight face otherwise?

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    1. Re:my point is completely logical and solid by Shakrai · · Score: 1

      Having an automobile is a choice. Being alive and an American citizen is not.

      You are still ignoring the fact that it's completely unconstitutional for the Federal Government to do this. You might note that the apples-to-oranges comparison you just made with auto policy is irrelevant for this reason as well. That mandate comes from the states. It doesn't come from Uncle Sam. I assume you are familiar with the 1st, 4th, 5th and 10th amendments to the United States Constitution?

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  44. Re:Where are all those libertarians of convenience by Mashiki · · Score: 0, Troll

    You know, the ones who got all up in arms when Booosh!!! went berserk with "warrantless wiretaps"?

    Oh I guess you can call me a libertarian. More like a conservative libertarian but whatever, but living in Canada I wrote off the US when you idiots elected Obama. You're fucked. He's Trudeau 2.0 and you couldn't even see it despite the saner heads of your northern neighbors. I'm just waiting for him to start flipping the public off and telling them: "they'll take what I give them and like it." to paraphrase Trudeau.

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  45. tl,dr by circletimessquare · · Score: 2, Insightful

    it is your responsibility to take care of your health. it is not my responsibility to take care of your health. correct?

    any person alive today might be in the hospital by the end of the day. correct? are you immortal? do you deny this simple truth?

    therefore, it is your responsibility to have insurance to make sure that you are paying for your health maintenance, which might include sudden unforeseen unaffordable costs. i shouldn't have to pay for it, correct?

    therefore, if you do not have health insurance, you are not exercising a right of yours, you are abrogating a responsibility of yours. really. its quite fucking simple

    that you think anything else is logically incoherent. follow the bouncing ball. it is airtight, simple logic. that you deny it is probably not a sign stupidity on your part, but judging by the quantity of effort you put into debating me, some sort of horrible propagandized state you live in. denial, denial, denial

    look at every other industrialized democracy on this planet. having universal health care is a fucking brain dead obvious duty of a free society. SO MY FREEDOMS ARE NOT IMPOSED UPON BY YOUR UNFORESEEN COSTS. duh

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    1. Re:tl,dr by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are too ignorant to argue with, you dumbass. Idiotic argument after idiotic argument.

      Please move to a socialist country, You don't deserve to have freedom.

      Don't impose your ignorant ideas on the rest of the country, you dumbfuck.

    2. Re:tl,dr by Chapter80 · · Score: 1

      it is your responsibility to take care of your health. it is not my responsibility to take care of your health. correct?

      It is HIS responsibiliy to take care of HIS heath, correct?

      any person alive today might be in the hospital by the end of the day. correct? are you immortal? do you deny this simple truth?

      irrelevant

      therefore, it is your responsibility to have insurance to make sure that you are paying for your health maintenance, which might include sudden unforeseen unaffordable costs. i shouldn't have to pay for it, correct?

      it is his responsibility to take care of HIS health

      therefore, if you do not have health insurance, you are not exercising a right of yours, you are abrogating a responsibility of yours. really. its quite fucking simple

      Mandating ME to buy insurance because HE will cause YOU guilt if you don't take care of him is unconstitutional and immoral.

      that you think anything else is logically incoherent. follow the bouncing ball. it is airtight, simple logic. that you deny it is probably not a sign stupidity on your part, but judging by the quantity of effort you put into debating me, some sort of horrible propagandized state you live in. denial, denial, denial

      do you read your own writing you dumb fuck?

      look at every other industrialized democracy on this planet. having universal health care is a fucking brain dead obvious duty of a free society. SO MY FREEDOMS ARE NOT IMPOSED UPON BY YOUR UNFORESEEN COSTS. duh

      Please move, you fucking idiot. You don't deserve freedom.

    3. Re:tl,dr by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is not my responsibility to take care of your home.

      Any person alive today might have their home destroyed by a fire, tornado, earthquake or flood. Do you deny this simple truth?

      Therefore it is your responsibility to insure your home. I shouldn't hsve to psy for you home damage, should I?

      So why isn't there a federal or state laws requiring you to spend money on home owners insurance? this is quite fucking simple

      that you think anything else is logically incoherent. follow the bouncing ball. it is airtight, simple logic. that you deny it is probably not a sign of stupidity on your part, but judging by the quantity of effort you put into debating me, some sort of horrible propagandized state you live in. denial, denial, denial

      look at every law of which this country has ever evaluated the Constitutionality, and it is fucking brain dead obvious. NOT ONE LAW HAS EVER PASSED THE TEST OF CONSTITUTIONALITY THAT DEMANDS THAT THE CITIZENRY BUYS SOMETHING. duh.

  46. Re:everyone suffers for the crimes of a few, alway by alvinrod · · Score: 1

    Why should you be forced to pay for some condition of mine for which you are in no way responsible. If you shot me, I might have a case for seeking financial compensation from you for medical expenses, but otherwise why should you pay?

    As I said, I have absolutely no objection to government-run health care as long as my participation is voluntary and I can choose another provider at any time.

    Also, I am currently forced to pay into many of the services I do not wish to pay into. I'll be lucky if Social Security is still around, let alone worth anything at all, by the time I expect to be able to collect any of it. Try telling to the government that you won't pay. They'll most likely just laugh at you, but if they wanted to, they could imprison you.

  47. red herring by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

    but i'll take a bite at that retarded bait anyways: is the constitution not the fucking bible. it is a living breathing contract for a living breathing society. it grows and changes as the society grows and changes. the constitution is not the fucking quran that requires a holy war if someone suggests the horrible sacriledge of a new better way TO ENSURE OUR FREEDOMS FROM IRRESPONSIBLE ASSHOLES

    fact: you are not exercising a right when you do not to have health insurance. you are offloading your responsibility for your health onto me

    let me repeat that for the hard of understanding:

    you. are. not. exercising. a. right. when. you. do. not. to. have. health. insurance. you. are. offloading. your. responsibility. to. take. care. of. your. health. onto. me.

    there is no logical route around this simple obvious as fucking day truth

    that you don't understand this fucking obvious truth means nothing more than us, the society you expect to pay for your healthcosts, has to compel you, kicking and screaming TO LIVE UP TO YOUR MOTHERFUCKING RESPONSIBILITIES. we are not imposing on your freedoms in the least, moron, we are making sure you are not imposing on OUR freedoms. get it?

    is it acceptable that i walk by you dying in the street because you have no health insurance and no way to pay for care? of course not. therefore, you better be fucking RESPONSIBLE and pay for unforeseen costs with insurance. unless you believe you are an immortal and will never be injured beyond your means

    it is only this delusion of immortality that could convince you that holding your ground in this retarded argument any further makes the slightest bit of fucking sense

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    intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
    1. Re:red herring by Chapter80 · · Score: 1

      Please take an 8th grade civics course.

      Your lack of understanding of our Constitution is frightening.

    2. Re:red herring by Shakrai · · Score: 1

      It doesn't "grow and change" outside of the amendment process, which unless I've missed the news story is not how we are implementing health care.

      The 1st amendment grants me the freedom of association. SCOTUS has previously held that this also includes the freedom not to associate. How is this compatible with a mandate that I purchase something from a private concern? What if I have a moral objection to the way insurance companies do business? What about a religious one? Are we going to gut the freedom of religion alongside the freedom of association?

      Your whole argument boils down to my "responsibility" while ignoring the constitutional question. It is therefore irrelevant. Nonetheless, I would add one final point: If the notion of paying for the medical expenses of the uninsured bothers you so much, why aren't you trying to get rid of the mandate that hospitals treat those who can't pay?

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      I want peace on earth and goodwill toward man.
      We are the United States Government! We don't do that sort of thing.
    3. Re:red herring by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let me type this with periods in it, since you are an idiot.

      By. legislating. that. the. already. insured. pay. for. insurance. in. a. big. government. program. you. are. unconstitutionally. punishing. those. that. have. done. nothing. wrong.

  48. you are lying in the street, dying by circletimessquare · · Score: 2, Insightful

    i have an ethical duty to make sure you get care

    i do not say "do you have health insurance or $200K in an emergency health fund?" and if you say no, i walk away and let you die

    if you understand why it is impossible for anyone with even a rudimentary human conscience to do that, then you understand the "twisted context" in play here as you call it

    Only in the twisted context where we have made "society"(i.e. government) responsible for the well being of the individual

    incredible. amazing. you are simply retarded beyond belief or have less sense of morality than a kindergartener if you actually believe those words

    the "twisted context" you refer to asshole is called simple morality according to any definition of morality by any culture that has ever existed: you render aid to the sick and fallen

    let me repeat: you render aid to the sick and fallen

    are you willing to argue that? are you willing to call this simple obvious unavoidable morality a "twisted context"?

    if yes, you are an amoral asshole who has no place in the debate

    if no, you agree with me

    decide, motherfucker

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    intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
    1. Re:you are lying in the street, dying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So due to your ethical feelings, you are insisting on the confiscation of wealth through mandated taxes, using the force of weapons and threat of prison. And you are oblivious to the contradiction in that?

      If YOU have an ethical quandary, and want to pay for the care of others, go for it. Instead, you are suggesting that "we" as a society, steal from others (including me) to "help them / me to be responsible".

      This is nonsense.

      Don't legislate your ethics on me and say it's for my own good.

  49. i understand the constitution just fine by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

    in addition, i am wary of individuals who treat it like fundamentalists treat their religious documents, that it is without question. everything should be questioned: this is the philosophical spirit in which the founding fathers wrote the fucking thing!

    the constitution is a living breathing document, it describes a pact between a people and their government. naturally and inescapably, it changes over time. to not understand this is the frightening part

    furthermore, to say any part of the constitution somehow stands against healthcare reform is the egregious lack of understanding of constitution in play here, friend

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    intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
  50. EVERYONE READ THE ABOVE by circletimessquare · · Score: 2, Informative

    "If you are passed out on the ground, I can simply choose to walk by without caring. Police officers or other public servants may be required to offer assistance as part of their job, but as a member of the public no such obligations exist for me."

    this is the part where those who oppose something as simple and obvious as universal health insurance show their true colors: selfish self-centered irresponsible unethical assholes

    thank you for going on record and showing to the world exactly what you are

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    intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
    1. Re:EVERYONE READ THE ABOVE by alvinrod · · Score: 1

      As I said, I don't subscribe to your ethics, so I could case less if you judge me based on them. It won't make me feel guilty or bad about myself. I could just as easily turn the debate around and call you unethical for robbing Peter to pay Paul, but that's not very constructive. What I stated was simple fact. There's nothing outside of my own morality which would obligate me to do anything in that situation.

      I don't go around responding arguments from pro-choice advocates with something like: "This is the part where those who oppose limitations on something as heinous and disgusting as abortion show their their true colors: selfish, self-centered, irresponsible, unethical assholes with no regard for human life."

      In case you're wondering, I generally dislike abortion and would rather people not resort to it, but I don't believe that my feelings on the matter should be imposed on anyone else. Imposing my beliefs on anyone else limits their freedoms.

      We have are just going to have to agree to disagree on our opinion of universal health care. You're probably not going to change my mind and ad hominem attacks aren't going to do anything to further your beliefs either.

  51. (smacks forehead) by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

    if you honestly think the constitution is somehow arranged against universal healthcare, you simply don't understand the constitution. i see a whole bunch of broad concepts out of context up there, a gordian knot of confused misunderstandings. good luck in your intellectual growth kid, you'll get it someday

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    intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
    1. Re:(smacks forehead) by Shakrai · · Score: 0, Troll

      Except we aren't getting "universal healthcare". We are getting a mandate to do business with private entities. I would not be making this argument against a single payer system. Do you have any idea what freedom of association means? Look it up. Then tell me how it's compatible with a mandate to do business with private entities. You've also completely ignored the troubling implications for the free practice of the religion of your choice. Gonna trample all over that right in your quest for universal healthcare that isn't?

      Somehow I doubt you'll be able to come up with a good argument. You've yet to respond with anything more meaningful than "you simply don't understand". That's not a dialogue, that's you sticking your head in the sand and refusing to think critically.

      As far as your "intellectual growth" insult, allow me to respond with this quote: If you aren't a socialist by age 25 you have no heart. If you still are at age 40 you have no mind.

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      I want peace on earth and goodwill toward man.
      We are the United States Government! We don't do that sort of thing.
  52. Re:everyone suffers for the crimes of a few, alway by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    as for making you spread your beliefs: why force people to believe in god? why not make it voluntary? because people are fucking irresponsible, and they won't believe in god, follow his rules, or a whole bunch of other things they need but are usually too stupid to understand why they need it.

    Um... That is just too bizarre. You're comparing belief in your imaginary friend with life and death? Why don't you try a more apt example:

    Why force people to pay for the military? Why not make it voluntary?

    In case you can't figure out why health care is important and why we all need to pay for it, let me spell it out. Even though you might not need it today, both services protect you from an untimely death. Sheesh... Sometimes I wish they'd just establish a Mad Max, post-apocalyptic island where every selfish libertarian could live without government, in complete self-sufficiency. That is, until someone more powerful crushed their skull and took their stuff.

  53. the entirety of the legislative by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

    and executive branches is embroiled in the healthcare overhaul

    the entirety of the media and all of the partisan hacks are out in full force

    do you honestly believe that the common fucking sense legislation currently being passed, in the full blinding light of everyone's attention, is something only you have discovered to be an abrogation of some sort of basic constitutional principles?

    you're a middle school teenager or a complete moron if you do believe that

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    intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
    1. Re:the entirety of the legislative by Shakrai · · Score: 1

      Who said I'm the only one that's discovered it?

      I guess you get all of your news from Keith Olbermann, eh?

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      I want peace on earth and goodwill toward man.
      We are the United States Government! We don't do that sort of thing.
    2. Re:the entirety of the legislative by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You forgot to mention that the question of Constitutionality was specifically asked to Speaker of the House Pelosi, who simply ignored the question. Whether something is Constitutional is apparently irrelevant these days!

  54. Re:everyone suffers for the crimes of a few, alway by dave562 · · Score: 1

    The deal is that either you pay for yourself, or I pay for you. You pay for yourself by voluntarily getting health insurance and using that health insurance when you, or your kid, or your spouse gets sick and needs to visit the emergency room, or the doctor. I pay for you, or your spouse, or child when they break a leg, get sick or whatever, and you don't have insurance.

    At the end of the day, the cost gets absorbed some how. Have you ever had to pay a doctor's bill without insurance? They're absolutely ridiculous. A bad car accident can bankrupt someone if they're lucky enough to live through the experience. The thing about insurance is that people will swear up and down that they don't need it. People will believe that they are in complete control of their lives. Those are the exact same people who get t-boned by people running red lights, or trip and fall down the stairs after slipping on ice.

  55. i don't know who keith olberman is by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

    if he's some sort of partisan hack, liberal or conservative, i am proud not to know who he is, as all these loud ignorant vindictive partisan assholes is the problem with our country, not a solution. i am a moderate. if you hadn't noticed, the issue of healthcare overhaul is not some sort of liberal agenda, its a squarely moderate concern

    furthermore, thanks for the links. what exactly are your links suppose to tell me? that there are more morons than you out there? ok, you win, i admit defeat. i was wrong to say you alone believe the constitution is being defiled by the healthcare overhaul. i humbly accept your assertion of the existence of many more morons out there

    meanwhile, i look forward to the supreme court taking up this highly egregious defiling of the constitution in the immediate future! what a hot potato!

    (crickets)

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    intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
    1. Re:i don't know who keith olberman is by Shakrai · · Score: 1

      You are a moderate? Could have fooled me. You are behaving exactly as the partisan hacks that you just claimed to hate so much.

      You refuse to acknowledge any of the points I've made. You can't tell me why the individual mandate isn't a violation of free association. You can't tell me why it isn't an overreach of Congressional power. I doubt you even know what free association is or the case/constitutional law behind it. All you can tell me is that "people have looked at it", "you simply don't understand" and "you NEED insurance".

      Tell me why you think it's constitutional or shut the fuck up and admit that you've lost.

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      I want peace on earth and goodwill toward man.
      We are the United States Government! We don't do that sort of thing.
  56. Howard is one of us, or at least used to be. by Taim · · Score: 1

    I've known Howard for more than a decade. He started out as a local cop who had a hobby working with computers. He was a pioneer in forensic analysis of computer evidence, and was instrumental in establishing the Air Force's information security capability which was arguably the biggest influence on the evolution of today's DoD capability. He started out doing hands on low level hardware and software analysis. He was a hacker in the true sense of the word. I visited his home, and there were always multiple machines strewn about, which he had built himself.

    While I doubt he's done much hands-on work in a long time, he understands the issues and problems as they relate to computer crime and network security. He knows everyone worth knowing in the law-enforcement side of security, since most of them worked for him or with him at some point in his career. He also has worked as the security chief for such companies as Microsoft and Ebay and has all the contacts on the commercial side as well.

    I have met and gotten to know numerous "security professionals" over the years in classes, conventions, forums, courtrooms, and bars. I haven't met anyone else with Howard's mix of legitimate hands-on experience and political contacts (political as in knowing the right people not political as in democrat and republican). While I don't know who else they were looking at, I'm positive they could have done much worse than Howard.

  57. Heritage? by mrmeval · · Score: 1

    To be the welfare car of the Republic?

    I'd rather buy a Ford.

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  58. humorous ;-) by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

    crackpots on teh intarwebs, who have identified a vast conspiracy to pass flagrantly unconstitutional laws in the senate and the house

    fight on, retards!

    if this is the best you pathetic morons can muster against healthcare reform in this country, the legislation is obviously a winner. but its good to know there's low iq assholes out there bravely defending the constitution, as they pathetically understand it, from dire threats in this country. dire threats like common sense legislation in the full glare of everyone's attention. ah! but you see the real threat to constitutional liberties! hilarious. retarded.

    "You are a moderate? Could have fooled me. You are behaving exactly as the partisan hacks that you just claimed to hate so much."

    yes, i am a moderate, not a liberal. of course, from the perspective of the crackpot fringe right, i'm certain moderate america looks liberal. but i have just as much disdain for the morons on the far left as i do for morons on the far right like yourself

    if you like, you can consider me a partisan moderate. because i do have a strong emotional hatred for the far left AND the far right. you assholes are the source of so much stupidity on the airwaves and in the so-called "debates", aka zero iq propaganda flinging contests. we in moderate middle are sick of you, you on the far left, you on the far right. you assholes are what is wrong with this country. so fucking loud, so fucking stupid

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    intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
    1. Re:humorous ;-) by Shakrai · · Score: 1

      Thanks for not disappointing me. For a second there when I saw that you had replied I thought you might have come up with some meaningful insight into Constitutional law.

      I hope you take your head out of the sand long enough to enjoy the Christmas season. Have a good holiday :)

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      I want peace on earth and goodwill toward man.
      We are the United States Government! We don't do that sort of thing.
  59. Professor Gene Spafford said.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In 'Practical Unix and Internet Security' where author Professor Gene Spafford spells out Spaf's first principle of security administration.

    This principle states that 'if you have responsibility for security but have no authority to set rules or punish violators, your own role in the organization is to take the blame when something big goes wrong'.

    Spaf's principle is a cruel reality faced by many of those responsible for information security.

    In other words..... "Get the lube ready."

  60. this holiday season by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

    why don't you try reading A Christmas Carol?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Christmas_Carol

    do you happen to notice any parallels between the themes enunciated by those who oppose universal health insurance, and the mentality of the protagonist in that fable?

    what does the fable teach us about the protagonist's attitude and why it fails?

    and therefore, maybe this christmas you can come to appreciate why the currently losing side on healthcare debate might be founded on losing principles, if you can see how A Christmas Carol actually does in fact comment on the losing principles and failed mentality of those who oppose universal health care

    hint: those losing principles have nothing to do with constitutional principles, if you actually understand the us constitution, as you assert you do, but seem to understand in only the most rudimentary, crude fashion

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    intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
    1. Re:this holiday season by Shakrai · · Score: 1

      Maybe if you spent less time attacking my knowledge and more time displaying some of your own we could have a productive dialog here?

      Just answer me this: Do you understand what free association means and if so how is a mandate that I do business with private entities compatible with it?

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      I want peace on earth and goodwill toward man.
      We are the United States Government! We don't do that sort of thing.
  61. do you possibly conceive by circletimessquare · · Score: 2, Insightful

    that there are other issues in play in a free society, other than free association, and that some of those issues override free association IN CERTAIN LIMITED CONTEXTS. and all of this is perfectly agreeable with the us constitution. in fact, that the constitution itself has limits on free association, for example. furthermore, that these limits actually serve to maximize your freedom in a well-functioning of a free society

    i'm not getting drawn into this discussion, because its intellectual charity. its beneath me. you seem to be only able to hold one concept in your head at a time, leading you to erroneous ridiculous conclusions derived in a vacuum of consideration of any other valid constitutional concepts, concepts equally important for the functioning of a free society. its a balancing act kid. not the taking of one isolated concept and amping it to the max

    it is not worth my effort to continue talking to you on this issue, as it is not a debate, its an educational endeavour, and i am not your father or your teacher. if this sounds condescending, it would be even more condescending to plaster a smile on my face, hold your hand, and calmly explain to you some of the obvious constitutional issues you fail to see as important, when they are obviously important, strictly from a constitutional perspective, and if you honestly had a sound understanding of the constitution, you would already have considered these issues yourself. the fact you haven't merely demonstrates what a joke your so-called understanding of the constution is, if you think something like universal health care is unconstitutional

    you need a lot of work on your own to catch up with the understanding that there are other issues at play here, none of them arranged to compromise your principles, but in fact arranged to deepen your understanding of your principles and what the founding fathers were grappling with when they wrote our important documents. one hopes you have the intellectual acumen to achieve this greater state of wisdom

    as a starting place, make believe, suspend your disbelief for the moment, and consider that the constitution actually allows for limited limits on free association, and that universal health care perfectly falls within those limits. see if you can justify that to yourself, from within the framework of the constitution. if you can do that, you have hope, and you're not doomed to permanent fringe crackpot status. use this epiphany as a starting point for the expansion and growth of your understanding of the constitution and your future intellectual growth. good luck kid

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    intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
    1. Re:do you possibly conceive by Shakrai · · Score: 1

      I like how you keep saying "universal healthcare" when the current legislation is anything but. It's amusing. Almost as amusing as your claims of not being a left wing partisan. If you were the moderate that you say you are you would realize that this legislation doesn't even provide the "universal" health care that you keep attributing to it.

      Certain "limited contexts"? The whole concept of free association goes out the window if you can be compelled to associate with a private entity against your will. What if one has a moral objection to the way health insurance companies do business? What about a religious objection? Are you going to throw the free practice of religion out the window in your quest for universal health care that isn't?

      There are other constitutional issues at play too. The 5th amendment comes to mind. I can't be deprived of my property without due process of law. The 4th amendment says that I have the right to be secure in my papers and effects. So what gives Uncle Sam the right to even ask whether or not I have health insurance? Then there's the 10th amendment. All powers not specifically delegated to Congress are reserved to the states and people. What part of the Constitution is it that you think delegates to Congress the power to mandate that people buy a specific product or service?

      You also might want to consider the historical precedent. Not once in the history of the United States has there been a mandate of this scope imposed on the citizenry by the Federal Government. If the Federal Government has the power to compel me to buy Health Insurance then what powers don't they have? Can they compel me to buy phone service? Can they compel me to keep life insurance?

      If this legislation passes I think you are in for a rude awakening when it makes it to the court system. That's assuming that a future Congress doesn't repeal the individual mandate entirely -- which they very well might. You've already got 55-60% of this country opposed to this legislation. That's before they even realize the individual mandate is a part of it. Do you suppose that number is going to go down when people fill out their 1040(s) and realize that Uncle Sam is asking a question that has nothing to do with their income?

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      I want peace on earth and goodwill toward man.
      We are the United States Government! We don't do that sort of thing.
    2. Re:do you possibly conceive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uncle Sam is asking a question that has nothing to do with their income

      Not a problem for you, you don't earn anything. And you're still overpaid.

  62. New Nazi for Hire by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Our latest Nazi will also have perview over the new deathcamps to be ericted in Illinois to service Obama's vision of a "Beautiful America", the 2% solution to rid the world of "climate change" is der Obama's mind.

    Under der Obama's Beautiful America, 2% of the populas will need to be killed ... the Home Land Security Department is drawing up the plans as we speak.

    The bodies of the, umh unfortunate, will be transformed into fertilizer and stock feed.

    When the leaders of China, India and South Africa heard this at the Cop-out-in-hagen mess, they dropped trousers and started masterbating to the tune of "Spring time for Hitler."

    Obama, in his thursts for power, up-ed the antie to 5% of the U.S. populas killed by his Home Land Security Department to satisfy his lust.

  63. RE: Homeland Security Issues Subpoenas to Bloggers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Homeland Security Issues Subpoenas to Bloggers.

    Janet NiggerPolitian, HeadPinus "Without Pinus" of the Department of Homeland "Without" Security is hopping mad!

    Now in her "Super Brain" intellect, she wants Pinus, to pay for being outed as an Idiot.

    Idiot does as Idiot is.