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Microbes That Keep Us Healthy Starting To Die Off

Dr_Ken writes with a quote from Scientific American: "The human body has some 10 trillion human cells—but 10 times that number of microbial cells. So what happens when such an important part of our bodies goes missing? With rapid changes in sanitation, medicine and lifestyle in the past century, some of these indigenous species are facing decline, displacement and possibly even extinction. In many of the world's larger ecosystems, scientists can predict what might happen when one of the central species is lost, but in the human microbial environment—which is still largely uncharacterized—most of these rapid changes are not yet understood. 'This is the next frontier and has real significance for human health, public health and medicine,' says Betsy Foxman, a professor of epidemiology at the University of Michigan School of Public Health in Ann Arbor. Meanwhile, each new generation in developed countries comes into the world with fewer of these native populations. 'They're actually missing some component of their microbiota that they've evolved to have,' Foxman says."

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  1. I for one... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    am saddened by the death of our microbial overlords (or underlords as the case may be).

  2. No antibiotics for me by copponex · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Unless I feel like I'm at death's door, I do not go to the doctor. I'll bet most of the people who are missing these microbes have been exposed to a lot of antibiotics. This may also explain why staph infections are turning deadly, and I know it's why Western kids have lots of strange allergies.

    The Hadza are the last hunter gatherers in the world, probably. They seem to be doing alright. (Not saying I'd give up my lifestyle, but there are lessons to be learned.)

    http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2009/12/hadza/finkel-text

    1. Re:No antibiotics for me by lawpoop · · Score: 5, Informative

      Unless I feel like I'm at death's door, I do not go to the doctor.

      I hope you never get cancer. If you finally go to the doctor when you fell like you on death's door, it will be too late. If caught early enough, most cancers are easily treatable.

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    2. Re:No antibiotics for me by phantomfive · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Alright by some standard, anyway. Towards the beginning of the story, they mention a man who has lost half his teeth. No thanks, I'm happy for modern dentistry. Later on we read this nugget:

      About a fifth of all [Hadza] babies die within their first year, and nearly half of all children do not make it to age 15.

      That may be your ideal, but for me there are advantages to modernity.

      Idolizing the Hadza is like those people who never take their pets to the vet, because the animals don't go to the vet in the wild. It's true animals don't go to the vet in the wild, but they also have shorter life spans.

      Interesting article, btw. Glad you posted it. But doctors do good things.

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  3. Re:If we evolved to have them... by caramelcarrot · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Whether or not we "need" them can only be judged retrospectively, and not after a fairly sudden (in evolutionary terms) change in environment before the consequences have worked out - us having evolved to have them would probably indicate that they give some sort of advantage to not having them.

  4. Re:Easy solution by kiatoa · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Maybe there is a middle road? Reasonable sanitation (ya know, soap up the groin, armpits and feet when showering and all that) but cut out the obsessive stuff. At work we have little things that you can use to spray your hands with antibacterial solution at the exit from stairwells. People take antibiotics "just in case", and so forth.

    Maybe less really is more sometimes. I.e. there probably is such a thing as being too clean. No need to swing to the other extreme.

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  5. mother nature by mikey177 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    this is why we need to let our children interact with other people and go out and play in the dirt. I did and let me tell you, I do still get sick but not as much as some of my friends who had lived sheltered lives with there parents who thought that every little cold they got they would need to go to the doctors to be treated for it. we now live in a world with Sissies who can't take life's discomforts like there parents.

    1. Re:mother nature by Ephemeriis · · Score: 4, Informative

      this is why we need to let our children interact with other people and go out and play in the dirt. I did and let me tell you, I do still get sick but not as much as some of my friends who had lived sheltered lives with there parents who thought that every little cold they got they would need to go to the doctors to be treated for it. we now live in a world with Sissies who can't take life's discomforts like there parents.

      Exactly.

      People are too clean these days. It sounds stupid, but it's true. Folks need to go outside and play with some animals, socialize, fall in the dirt, scrape their knees, and get on with life. It's good for you! It helps build up your immune system.

      Got to your local supermarket or WalMart or whatever... Take a look through their kitchen goods - absolutely everything has some kind of anti-microbial agent built-in. I'm not suggesting we all go lick some raw chicken... But a few germs are actually good for us. And sterilizing everything is not.

      Look through the bath section... All the soaps are antimicrobial as well. All of them. Just getting yourself clean isn't enough... You have to nuke whatever critters might be around.

      And, not only are we nuking anything and everything that we might be exposed to - thereby robbing ourselves of a chance to build up an immunity... But we're also flooding the environment with these antibiotic/antimicrobial substances - giving those very critters plenty of opportunities to develop their own immunities.

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  6. Another easy solution! by FooAtWFU · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Just dismiss any investigation of it as backwards or some form of vapid tree-hugging, don't study it, and ignore any problems until peoples' expected lifespan returns to 35!

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    1. Re:Another easy solution! by schon · · Score: 4, Informative

      peoples' expected lifespan returns to 35!

      When exactly was our lifespan 35?

      Or are you just demonstrating that you suck at math?

      Here's a mental exercise for you:

      Say you have 1000 people. 499 of them die before they turn one year old. 499 of them die at the age of 70. Two of them die at the age of 35.

      What is the average lifespan? At what age did most of them die?

      Our "average lifespan" has been increasing because we're eliminating infant mortality, not because most people only lived to some ridiculously low age.

  7. They're very useful... by mysidia · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The presence of neutral microbes offers resource competition against random microbes taking up residence, especially harmful ones.

    Since there is competition, new Microbes of any sort, are less likely to flourish unchecked, than if there was no competition.

    Think of how many computer users would be using MacOS or Linux KDE, if Windows didn't exist, or if Microsoft were to suddenly drop dead and stop making new versions of Windows that were successful at competing for placement on people's computers.

    The loss/extinction of some of these neutral, or even beneficials microbes could be quite bad, if it makes humans more vulnerable to spontaneous intrusion by others and digestive system issues.

    The less diversity in the neutral microbes... the more likely that a malicious microbe releases one toxin that happens to kill them all.

  8. Re:100 Trillion Microbial Cells? by glwtta · · Score: 5, Informative

    Are the microbial cells really something like 1% the weight on average of a human cell?

    Yes, they are. See Procaryote vs Eukaryote.

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  9. Re:100 Trillion Microbial Cells? by Planesdragon · · Score: 4, Informative

    Think back to high school, doc. Remember the parts of a human cell?

    One of 'em, the mitochondria, is essentially a specially-evovled bacteria used to help your cell produce energy. It's easily less than 1/10th the size of the whole cell. Maybe 1/20th, or even 1/100th, for very big cells.

    And not all cells are the same size. You have some cells in your body that stretch for the better part of a yard, and if you're a woman you produce one certain cell every four weeks or so that's almost big enough to be seen with the naked eye.

  10. Re:Bought the tshirt by Tezcat · · Score: 5, Interesting

    There is no shortage of domestic cattle, but elephants are endangered because humans want to use and eat them yet make little effort to preserve them in quantity.

    I hate to play pedant, but that's a poor analogy. Cattle have been bred to mature quickly; meanwhile the never-fully domesticated Elephants of Africa and India rival humans for their long maturation and gestation periods.

    Microbes, on the other hand, are easy to breed in quantity once you have established their optimal developmental environment. Once we work out what we have inside and around us and what we need, we could conceivably tailor our anti-biotic intake based on our inherited and environmental differences.

    'Intelligently planned' biotic yoghurt supplements may be the next big thing in preventative health care.
    /IANA Micro-biologist

  11. Yes, let me restate for the hopelessly stupid. by copponex · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yes, for all of the hopelessly stupid people out there. If you feel like you are sick and you don't have a cold, go to a doctor to find out what it is. If your lymph nodes stay swollen for some reason, go to the doctor. If you have unexplainable pain, go to the doctor. When you get to a certain age, turn and cough. However, if you come down with the sniffles, suck it up and don't run to get Tamiflu and antibiotics shoved up your ass just because.

    Christ almighty. I hope they never take the warning labels off small electronics. Otherwise you'll probably end up trying to use your Bagelator in the bathtub.

  12. Soap vs Santizers by HockeyPuck · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Seems that most products advertised today pull on the "santize everything you touch" FUD that's out there. I work at a large technology company, and they recently installed automated hand sanitizers by every external door. I read an article recently that claimed that EMC was having cleaning crews sanitize every doorknob in their campus once a week.

    This isn't just a corporate activity, I've got a friend with a 5yr old son in that the son has been conditioned to ask mom for Purel every 5-10 minutes. I also find it funny that kids are being taught to eat a McDonald's burger by holding the wrapper. The funny part is that the people making the burgers aren't wearing gloves...

    Reminds me of the old joke: A Harvard and MIT student, both just finished using the urinal and the MIT student walks towards the door. The Harvard student says, "Hey, at Harvard they teach us to wash our hands after using the urinal!" The MIT student fires back, "At MIT they teach us not to pee on our hands!"

  13. Mostly Harmless by CuteSteveJobs · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The vast majority of bacteria are either harmless or beneficial to their human host. Only a very small number of bacteria are pathogenic, and most of the time your body does a great job keeping those out. Here's a great book for bacteria spotters, amateur and pro, which tells you how to find bacteria without a microscope.

    http://www.cornellpress.cornell.edu/cup_detail.taf?ti_id=3864
    http://www.amazon.com/Field-Guide-Bacteria-Comstock-Book/dp/0801488540

  14. Re:Probiotic supplements by WormholeFiend · · Score: 4, Funny

    more fun than eating dirt: mud wrestling with members of the opposite sex (or same sex, if that's the way you roll)

  15. The Five-Second Rule... by jbezorg · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...now has scientific backing. Go ahead, pick up that chip that fell on the floor and eat it. When someone gives you a look, just tell them you are maintaining a healthy microbial diversity.

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