Switch to approval (aka "multi-choice" voting) and the need for tweaks that mitigate burial and vote splitting issues go away. I think most if not all the crazy stuff that you see in primaries evolved from various moronic attempts to fix plurality.
Plurality always slowly degenerates into dysfunction. Try it with a bunch of friends. Use single choice to decide where to go for dinner. It might work once or twice but most of the time it will not yield the "winner" that makes the most people happy. Then switch to approval (which actually most people would intuitively use anyway). The result might not be perfect but it won't be pathologically wrong most of the time.
By the by, IRV is *worse* than single choice. This is one of those cases where intuition leads you astray. Also don't waste our time with range voting. Burial is a major source of voting dysfunction and a 0-1 range (approval) is far less vulnerable to burial than a 0-10 range (for example).
If we mine the asteroids and bring the metals back home the planet will get heavier and heavier, that means we will get heavier (weight, not mass) and the year will get longer. I'm sure that will lead to some kind of disaster. Better for us to all pick flowers from our organic gardens and just look up at the stars at night. Mining asteroids! Hmmph, stay home I say.
by careful inspection. At least this can be done to a degree. For an example of where this was done well with Economics (at least done well in my opinion) see Henry George's book Progress and Poverty. For the time starved listen to the free audio book on you daily commute. http://hgchicago.org/links/pro... or the unabridged version: https://librivox.org/progress-...
I tried this on my work laptop and it's almost working! Thank goodness I kept a USB floppy drive around in my PC parts junk box. I don't know how you got the patch on one floppy though. It took 122 floppies for the patch I downloaded. Was I supposed to compress the patch somehow? I'm currently loading floppy # 83, wish me luck.
Instead of a forced single entity how about something a little more wacky? For example I'd like to see all the cellular radio providers put hidden bids in for the *sell price* of their bandwidth. The market price is set at the average of the two lowest bids and *all* carriers must honor that price. Can't make money at that price? Off to the auction block with you. The price setting process would be carried out every six months. At best it would lead to convergence on two or three "best" carriers providing cell bandwidth around the country. At worst it would provide some entertainment value watching the carriers do battle.
The "two-party system" is a symptom of single choice voting. Multi-choice (approval) voting is a supremely simple fix but few enough people are willing to study it to the point of getting it so I guess we'll be stuck with "one man, 1/n vote" for the foreseeable future. Given all that the only response likely to make a difference is to choose the party least loathsome to your values and try and make a difference *inside* that party.
WHS sounds interesting but a bit complicated. Also, obviously not available on Linux. After many years of trying (in no particular order) rsync, unison, bup, ugarit, btrfs raid, afs (that was the worst install ever) and probably a few others I found Moosefs and for my situation it seems to work pretty well. My requirement is that I can slap a few components together for a new system, boot from USB stick and be up and running in under 15 minutes of my time (the install process may well run much longer but I can get other things done). I have a script to install Moosefs and install all the packages I normally require. Moosefs replicates my data across multiple machines keeping N copies of each file where N is:/home = 3,/mythtv = 1, photos = 3 and so forth. Machines and drives seem to break every year or so and it is annoying but easy to build the new machine and install everything needed. This has been a low stress solution because the machines are very minimally configured. No LVM, no volumes etc. Just two partitions and a default install. Oh, and because I use fossil every time I commit my changes are auto synced off site which lowers my stress/fear from losing data even more. I use bup (will switch to ugarit when I get time since I'm a scheme fanboy) to keep offsite backups as I don't feel comfortable with my data in the cloud (adjusts tin hat carefully). Oh, and mythtv seems to be just fine writing/reading shows to moosefs. If I have simultaneous recording, watching and commercial flagging I do get stuttering but I can live with that. Moosefs has a feature where you can use a remote server for storing a copy of your data without slowing down access but I haven't tried it yet.
I dunno, I've eaten dog before (tends to taste a bit like what it was eating, coconut and scraps, yech). I also had a dog that got hit by a car and the neighbors got to it before we did. Apparently they ate well that night. Shit happens. Things are born, die, sometimes get eaten by other things. That said I could never eat my own dog (extreme starvation situation excepted). Your emotional attachment is just that, an emotional attachment and personally I'm fine with offending your sensibilities if it yields a cure for some nasty disease.
All that said however, I'm a firm believer that *all* animals should be treated with compassion and respect. I consider brutal treatment of cows destined for a grease burger just as despicable as torturing lab monkeys with toxic cosmetics. Why single out dogs for special treatment?
Seems like a great solution for feral dogs and helping breeders get rich. To all your pure-bred (assuming genetically modified is still "pure-bred") dogs, cats whatever add a gene that causes them to die if not fed a special additive to their food.
No more strays...
I'm just kidding of course but whats the bet that the Monsanto equivalent in the pet world does just exactly this?
Whilst a captive user of Lotus Notes at IBM I frequently grumbled about it. In retrospect I really didn't appreciate how good it was and how much easier it made my life. I regularly synced my mail to Linux and to Windows and was able to seamlessly work offline. If it was an easy install on Linux I'd seriously consider dropping the $100 or so for a copy and I don't own *any* commercial software.
The "slosh data around model" has a strong appeal and Notes seemed to mostly do it pretty well. In a similar way the ideas behind freenet appeal to me also. Well, except the lossy bit.
It is the 80/20 rule. 20% of the effort (switching to approval) gets 80% of the results.
plurality voting: absolutely broken and unstable for single winner elections approval: not perfect but good enough to break the two party stalemate range: better than approval, harder for people to get Condorcet, Schulze etc: better than range (although still debated), mysterious stuff happens behind the scenes, can you trust it? Difficult to explain to the ordinary bloke or blokess.
Approval can have some pathological broken corner cases, or so it is claimed, but the gain is so dramatic and the implementation cost (just count those misvotes and hanging chads) is almost zero.
Personally my health noticeably deteriorates when I don't include some dead animal in my diet. It might be possible to substitute insects but is raising and killing a bunch of insects less morally objectionable to raising and killing chickens, rabbits or cows? If so, why?
Either way your "general consensus" is debatable at best and delusional at worst.
No no!! You have it all wrong. As I've posted before every person sequesters almost a kilo of carbon in their body. In fact (and this works in favor of the American propensity to obesity) the fatter you are the more carbon you are sequestering.
So the right plan is:
1. Have lots of babies 2. Feed them really well 3. When people die bury them in a desert where they will dry out without rotting so the water can be recycled leaving the carbon still sequestered. 4. Enjoy your newly created global cooling.
BTW I made up the "about one kilo" part and I'm too lazy to google for a better estimate.
"Fear the Libertarians! If they get their way, the government will leave you alone! Oh, the Horror!"
I'm all for you and me being left alone, it is the leaving alone of companies such as BP that worries me. Any ideology looks good until you bring in all the dirty details of reality.
It is 100% true that planned economies are unworkable. It is also true that there is a deep running issue with free market capitalism. If you honestly believe that most or all poverty in the US can be root caused to lack of effort or capability on the behalf to the afflicted then stop reading this comment now. You are yourself burdened with a very difficult to cure affliction and there is little to no point in engaging in conversation with you.
If you have been around for a while and you have been paying attention you might be starting to wonder if there is something more deeply wrong. There is. It was root caused along with a likely very good solution over 100 years ago.
Free market economies in conjunction with democracy still have great potential as a cornerstone to a free and great world. However with private control of natural resources (land, oil, water etc.) the system will always devolve to, well, what we have now. Economic crap.
By the way, some folks may have riled at the natural resources sentence above, possibly imagining that it implied government control or ownership of those resources. Nothing could be further from the truth. Government control and ownership is *not* needed and is not necessary to solve this problem. The rest I leave as an exercise for anyone interested.
Maybe there is a middle road? Reasonable sanitation (ya know, soap up the groin, armpits and feet when showering and all that) but cut out the obsessive stuff. At work we have little things that you can use to spray your hands with antibacterial solution at the exit from stairwells. People take antibiotics "just in case", and so forth.
Maybe less really is more sometimes. I.e. there probably is such a thing as being too clean. No need to swing to the other extreme.
Garbage collection is now so good that heap memory allocation intensive programs will likely run slightly faster--in addition to vastly safer--in java than C.
I sure wish my day to day experiences with java based software supported your statement.
Uh, 300 watts an hour? Watts are a unit of power. It is "300 watts". I guess you could say that the energy consumption will be 300 watt-hrs per hour. We pay 0.06 $/kWhr here in AZ last time I checked. That means it will cost you roughly 0.3 * 0.06 * 24 = 0.43 $/day to run or about $160 per year.
Well said. Ask it another way: What innovative *recent* invention would likely be kept secret were it not protected by patents? I.e. if we eliminated patents what would we lose as a society? I have two probably patentable ideas that as far as I'm concerned will go with me to the grave. If I publish them I get nothing and if I patent them I will spend thousands of dollars with only a smidgen of a chance of financial gain. The system fails most individual inventors.
There are some ideas that might work to fix the system. I like the idea that if your patent is challenged and you lose then you can get your fees back from the patent office. Anything that keeps the patent office honest would likely help.
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Unfortunately, the placebo effect doesn't work on most intelligent people, especially those always asking questions. Once you begin to question the effectiveness of a placebo, it nullifies any effect it might have.
Do you have links to any studies that back this up? I'd be very interested if so.
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Switch to approval (aka "multi-choice" voting) and the need for tweaks that mitigate burial and vote splitting issues go away. I think most if not all the crazy stuff that you see in primaries evolved from various moronic attempts to fix plurality.
Plurality always slowly degenerates into dysfunction. Try it with a bunch of friends. Use single choice to decide where to go for dinner. It might work once or twice but most of the time it will not yield the "winner" that makes the most people happy. Then switch to approval (which actually most people would intuitively use anyway). The result might not be perfect but it won't be pathologically wrong most of the time.
By the by, IRV is *worse* than single choice. This is one of those cases where intuition leads you astray. Also don't waste our time with range voting. Burial is a major source of voting dysfunction and a 0-1 range (approval) is far less vulnerable to burial than a 0-10 range (for example).
If we mine the asteroids and bring the metals back home the planet will get heavier and heavier, that means we will get heavier (weight, not mass) and the year will get longer. I'm sure that will lead to some kind of disaster. Better for us to all pick flowers from our organic gardens and just look up at the stars at night. Mining asteroids! Hmmph, stay home I say.
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by careful inspection. At least this can be done to a degree. For an example of where this was done well with Economics (at least done well in my opinion) see Henry George's book Progress and Poverty. For the time starved listen to the free audio book on you daily commute. http://hgchicago.org/links/pro... or the unabridged version: https://librivox.org/progress-...
Yep, I was born and raised in the Cook Islands. How many other Cook islanders are reading Slashdot?
I tried this on my work laptop and it's almost working! Thank goodness I kept a USB floppy drive around in my PC parts junk box. I don't know how you got the patch on one floppy though. It took 122 floppies for the patch I downloaded. Was I supposed to compress the patch somehow? I'm currently loading floppy # 83, wish me luck.
Instead of a forced single entity how about something a little more wacky? For example I'd like to see all the cellular radio providers put hidden bids in for the *sell price* of their bandwidth. The market price is set at the average of the two lowest bids and *all* carriers must honor that price. Can't make money at that price? Off to the auction block with you. The price setting process would be carried out every six months. At best it would lead to convergence on two or three "best" carriers providing cell bandwidth around the country. At worst it would provide some entertainment value watching the carriers do battle.
The "two-party system" is a symptom of single choice voting. Multi-choice (approval) voting is a supremely simple fix but few enough people are willing to study it to the point of getting it so I guess we'll be stuck with "one man, 1/n vote" for the foreseeable future. Given all that the only response likely to make a difference is to choose the party least loathsome to your values and try and make a difference *inside* that party.
WHS sounds interesting but a bit complicated. Also, obviously not available on Linux. After many years of trying (in no particular order) rsync, unison, bup, ugarit, btrfs raid, afs (that was the worst install ever) and probably a few others I found Moosefs and for my situation it seems to work pretty well. My requirement is that I can slap a few components together for a new system, boot from USB stick and be up and running in under 15 minutes of my time (the install process may well run much longer but I can get other things done). I have a script to install Moosefs and install all the packages I normally require. Moosefs replicates my data across multiple machines keeping N copies of each file where N is: /home = 3, /mythtv = 1, photos = 3 and so forth. Machines and drives seem to break every year or so and it is annoying but easy to build the new machine and install everything needed. This has been a low stress solution because the machines are very minimally configured. No LVM, no volumes etc. Just two partitions and a default install. Oh, and because I use fossil every time I commit my changes are auto synced off site which lowers my stress/fear from losing data even more. I use bup (will switch to ugarit when I get time since I'm a scheme fanboy) to keep offsite backups as I don't feel comfortable with my data in the cloud (adjusts tin hat carefully). Oh, and mythtv seems to be just fine writing/reading shows to moosefs. If I have simultaneous recording, watching and commercial flagging I do get stuttering but I can live with that. Moosefs has a feature where you can use a remote server for storing a copy of your data without slowing down access but I haven't tried it yet.
I dunno, I've eaten dog before (tends to taste a bit like what it was eating, coconut and scraps, yech). I also had a dog that got hit by a car and the neighbors got to it before we did. Apparently they ate well that night. Shit happens. Things are born, die, sometimes get eaten by other things. That said I could never eat my own dog (extreme starvation situation excepted). Your emotional attachment is just that, an emotional attachment and personally I'm fine with offending your sensibilities if it yields a cure for some nasty disease.
All that said however, I'm a firm believer that *all* animals should be treated with compassion and respect. I consider brutal treatment of cows destined for a grease burger just as despicable as torturing lab monkeys with toxic cosmetics. Why single out dogs for special treatment?
Seems like a great solution for feral dogs and helping breeders get rich. To all your pure-bred (assuming genetically modified is still "pure-bred") dogs, cats whatever add a gene that causes them to die if not fed a special additive to their food.
No more strays ...
I'm just kidding of course but whats the bet that the Monsanto equivalent in the pet world does just exactly this?
Whilst a captive user of Lotus Notes at IBM I frequently grumbled about it. In retrospect I really didn't appreciate how good it was and how much easier it made my life. I regularly synced my mail to Linux and to Windows and was able to seamlessly work offline. If it was an easy install on Linux I'd seriously consider dropping the $100 or so for a copy and I don't own *any* commercial software.
The "slosh data around model" has a strong appeal and Notes seemed to mostly do it pretty well. In a similar way the ideas behind freenet appeal to me also. Well, except the lossy bit.
I've thought I'd seen a problem with our Netflix queue. I just assumed my wife had messed it up somehow :)
"and since you can't do anything else besides driving"
Books on tape. We love them so much we measure our trips in books. It's a one book drive to San Diego and back ....
It is the 80/20 rule. 20% of the effort (switching to approval) gets 80% of the results.
plurality voting: absolutely broken and unstable for single winner elections
approval: not perfect but good enough to break the two party stalemate
range: better than approval, harder for people to get
Condorcet, Schulze etc: better than range (although still debated), mysterious stuff happens behind the scenes, can you trust it? Difficult to explain to the ordinary bloke or blokess.
Approval can have some pathological broken corner cases, or so it is claimed, but the gain is so dramatic and the implementation cost (just count those misvotes and hanging chads) is almost zero.
I sense confirmation bias. Doesn't make it true or not true.
Hard to know what is true: http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/print/2010/11/lies-damned-lies-and-medical-science/8269
Personally my health noticeably deteriorates when I don't include some dead animal in my diet. It might be possible to substitute insects but is raising and killing a bunch of insects less morally objectionable to raising and killing chickens, rabbits or cows? If so, why?
Either way your "general consensus" is debatable at best and delusional at worst.
No no!! You have it all wrong. As I've posted before every person sequesters almost a kilo of carbon in their body. In fact (and this works in favor of the American propensity to obesity) the fatter you are the more carbon you are sequestering.
So the right plan is:
1. Have lots of babies
2. Feed them really well
3. When people die bury them in a desert where they will dry out without rotting so the water can be recycled leaving the carbon still sequestered.
4. Enjoy your newly created global cooling.
BTW I made up the "about one kilo" part and I'm too lazy to google for a better estimate.
"Fear the Libertarians! If they get their way, the government will leave you alone! Oh, the Horror!"
I'm all for you and me being left alone, it is the leaving alone of companies such as BP that worries me. Any ideology looks good until you bring in all the dirty details of reality.
It is 100% true that planned economies are unworkable. It is also true that there is a deep running issue with free market capitalism. If you honestly believe that most or all poverty in the US can be root caused to lack of effort or capability on the behalf to the afflicted then stop reading this comment now. You are yourself burdened with a very difficult to cure affliction and there is little to no point in engaging in conversation with you.
If you have been around for a while and you have been paying attention you might be starting to wonder if there is something more deeply wrong. There is. It was root caused along with a likely very good solution over 100 years ago.
Free market economies in conjunction with democracy still have great potential as a cornerstone to a free and great world. However with private control of natural resources (land, oil, water etc.) the system will always devolve to, well, what we have now. Economic crap.
By the way, some folks may have riled at the natural resources sentence above, possibly imagining that it implied government control or ownership of those resources. Nothing could be further from the truth. Government control and ownership is *not* needed and is not necessary to solve this problem. The rest I leave as an exercise for anyone interested.
Maybe there is a middle road? Reasonable sanitation (ya know, soap up the groin, armpits and feet when showering and all that) but cut out the obsessive stuff. At work we have little things that you can use to spray your hands with antibacterial solution at the exit from stairwells. People take antibiotics "just in case", and so forth.
Maybe less really is more sometimes. I.e. there probably is such a thing as being too clean. No need to swing to the other extreme.
Garbage collection is now so good that heap memory allocation intensive programs will likely run slightly faster--in addition to vastly safer--in java than C.
I sure wish my day to day experiences with java based software supported your statement.
Wine is the elf binary part. The rest is libraries. The issue I see with DVDFab is it costs $$. Some of us don't have much of that stuff these days.
Uh, 300 watts an hour? Watts are a unit of power. It is "300 watts". I guess you could say that the energy consumption will be 300 watt-hrs per hour. We pay 0.06 $/kWhr here in AZ last time I checked. That means it will cost you roughly 0.3 * 0.06 * 24 = 0.43 $/day to run or about $160 per year.
Well said. Ask it another way: What innovative *recent* invention would likely be kept secret were it not protected by patents? I.e. if we eliminated patents what would we lose as a society? I have two probably patentable ideas that as far as I'm concerned will go with me to the grave. If I publish them I get nothing and if I patent them I will spend thousands of dollars with only a smidgen of a chance of financial gain. The system fails most individual inventors.
There are some ideas that might work to fix the system. I like the idea that if your patent is challenged and you lose then you can get your fees back from the patent office. Anything that keeps the patent office honest would likely help.
Which one? I heard horror stories on both...
Unfortunately, the placebo effect doesn't work on most intelligent people, especially those always asking questions. Once you begin to question the effectiveness of a placebo, it nullifies any effect it might have.
Do you have links to any studies that back this up? I'd be very interested if so.