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Apple Fails To Deliver On Windows 7 Boot Camp Promise
SkydiverFL writes "For those fans of Apple's Boot Camp package, it looks like you might be waiting on the next 'end of year' to use Windows 7 on your shiny silver boxes. Back in October of this year, Apple published a rather short, but affirmative promise stating quite simply that, 'Apple will support Microsoft Windows 7 (Home Premium, Professional, and Ultimate) with Boot Camp in Mac OS X Snow Leopard before the end of the year. This support will require a software update to Boot Camp.' The support page has no updates regarding the new version. Maybe they're waiting for iSlate?"
There is no need to wait. I installed Windows 7 bootcamp on the day it was released on Technet, and it worked fine with the Vista drivers.
running windows 7. what's the issue? everything works great.
PC World's fastest Windows laptop in 2007 was a MacBook Pro
From what I heard, OS X uses certain low level functions that control processor speed/voltage within the OS itself versus what conventionally would be done through a BIOS on a normal PC. Apple uses EFI... I know that. Just reading about some of the "dangers" if using a Mac to run Linux... main reason being, you have a likeliness of damaging the CPU if all you run are intensive tasks under Linux. Apple wrote drivers that deal with this stuff under Windows. All in all, Vista drivers will work fine... but I'm just picky about "official bootcamp support" even if it is a gimmick. Apple wouldn't be putting an ounce of elbow grease into it unless there was something important they were writing into it to ensure a smooth experience.
running snow leopard, debian, and win7. what's the issue? everything works great.
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It's readily available in non-Apple form.
Not entirely correct.
Virtualizing the graphics card already has support for all the major VMs (VirtualBox, VMWare, Parallels, etc) and it's being actively worked on with support from the big GPU ISVs.
Mod me down, my New Earth Global Warmingist friends!
Here is some info not provided in the rest of the 'I'm posting from Win7" posts here is some helpful information.
First, the Snow Leopard DVD includes boot camp 3.0, which VASTLY improves the use of the touchpad under Windows XP or Vista. It also mostly works under Windows 7.
If you don't have a Snow Leopard DVD, here is a link to the drivers on TPB:
http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/5054638/Bootcamp_Driver_3.0_for_Windows_32bit__amp__64bit_%28from_Snow_Leopard
After installing this updating the sound drivers and video drivers would be advisable since the ones that come in boot camp suck and/or cause crashes.
http://www.nvidia.com/Download/index.aspx?lang=en-us for video drivers. Select windows-7 then 32 or 64 bit depending on which you've chosen.
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http://www.realtek.com.tw/downloads/downloadsView.aspx?Langid=1&PNid=14&PFid=24&Level=4&Conn=3&DownTypeID=3&GetDown=false
After this it should be reasonably stable.
It's easier to fight for one's principles than to live up to them.
No, that's what you would buy a Vaio for. My screen developed some (50+ in a cluster) dead pixels three months after I bought my laptop, and Sony had someone meet me at work and replace it three days later.
Don't take life so seriously. No one makes it out alive.
Some Apple Fanboys are long on BS and short on facts. The "mine works, what's the problem" comments bear witness to the lack of even the most simple research before posting. The mid-2009 MacBook Pro's have a different manufacturer's audio system than earlier MBP's and quite simply, there are problems in Win7. The built-in microphone doesn't work and the audio output volume is too low to be really useable. Someone has created a workaround for the audio out, but not the mic-in. There are other problems, too, but the facts are obviously not too important for the "mine works" folks. Apple sells their systems with Bootcamp as a selling point, then gives a promised date for the drivers, and then doesn't deliver. There has never been an OS in the hands of more people in beta form than Win7. Apple has had over a year to get this addressed. We know why they haven't and it is very small-minded of them. They seem to be having increasing problems with dates. quality, and credibility. This doesn't bode well for the future. The MBP's are reallly nice machines and still a good value for the money when compared with Windows-only laptops, but they would be better if Apple would fulfill their commitments to their customers. Some of us care about things like that.
Agree. I'm thinking of getting a Macbook Pro, and it's tempting just to run it Windows 7 only. OS X really doesn't have any advantages over Win 7 that I can think of - especially since my friends who own Mac's are always trying to find scripts and programs to download to get OS X to have features that Windows has had for forever (hibernate, keyboard shortcut to lock the screen, things like that).
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." ~Thomas Jefferson
While I consider my aluminium macbook to be of excellent design and hardware quality, the first generation macbook that I had before this was absolutely atrocious. Random reboots, dying batteries, malfunctioning chargers, wireless that wouldn't connect under bootcamp and an optical drive that required prying a second disc half way in to be able to eject the first disc.
On the topic of the article, Vista drivers work fine, but one thing I did not appreciate was having to (though easily) find a work around to Apple's arbitrary restriction on limiting the installation of x64 drivers to the macbook pros. Not sure what the stupid rationale would've been for that as the drivers work fine and nobody would've chosen to buy a macbook pro just to run Windows x64
An another note: It also was more expensive than two of the second-most powerful one. ;))
Any sufficiently advanced intelligence is indistinguishable from stupidity.
Speaking as a former repair tech that still gets the 'honor' of fixing other people's broken new-model macbooks, I'll just say "Look at the actual board vendors." Apple hasn't realy "MADE" their own hardware in years. They just say what hardware they want and let the board makers pack it on and make it work.
Fuck that noise, you're better off trying to piece your own system together. In fact, many companies exist to do just that for you, nowdays, with discrete powerful MXM graphics that you can upgrade. Barebones laptops FTW. And you'll still get a comparable system for about 1/3 as much.
Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
Installing Windows 7 32 bit is trivial. BUT, installing Windows 7 64 bit (the major difference in the new windows OS) has been made NEAR IMPOSSIBLE by Apple. Perhaps Apple is worried about PRO clients swapping the osx to a decent 64 bit OS. After many days, including having to REBUILD the windows 7 64bit installer AND delete a terminally incompatible driver in DOS during install, we managed to get WIN 7 64bit running on a Mac Pro (1st version), even though Apple STATED THIS WAS IMPOSSIBLE AND WOULD NOT BE SUPPORTED... Even though IT IS POSSIBLE, but not by using any Apple help. And YES, Windows 7 64-bit kicks OSX's ass in every performance department on the same machine.
You're also ignoring the fact that you have to re-open any files, programs, and possibly websites that were open. Not only does that take time, but it's also a pain to keep track of everything. Hibernate is wonderful, but you'll never even give it credibility because it's the evil Windows that uses it (yes, I realize Linux has it too, but I've yet to see a Linux system wake from sleep or hibernate - I love Linux, but that's always been a problem on every Linux system I've used).
Besides - 2 minutes? My POS laptop can wake from hibernate to everything working perfectly in Win 7 in under a minute. My desktop is even faster.
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." ~Thomas Jefferson
"A new Mac mini goes for $599 and a MacBook is $999. This is hardly "house and children" figures. Pick a reasonable Mac then go to Dell and spec out a similar machine. The PC prices will be in a close neighborhood."
Ok I'll take that challenge. Im Canadian so priced in CAD.
$649 Mac Mini: http://store.apple.com/ca/configure/MC238LL/A?mco=MTM3NTAwOTE
2.26GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
2GB 1066MHz DDR3 SDRAM - 2x1GB
160GB Serial ATA Drive
$409 Dell Inspiron http://configure.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?oc=di545s_r_1e&c=ca&l=en&s=dhs&cs=cadhs1&kc=desktop-inspiron-545s
2.4Ghz Intel E2220
2GB Ram
320GB HD
The dell also gets you a mouse and keyboard for $140 less. Upgrade any of the parts and you save more versus the apple.
Did some ore playing to match the specs better.
$1,132.00 Mac Mini: http://store.apple.com/ca/configure/MC238LL/A?mco=MTM3NTAwOTE
2.53GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
4GB 1066MHz DDR3 SDRAM - 2x2GB
320GB Serial ATA Drive
SuperDrive 8x (DVD±R DL/DVD±RW/CD-RW)
Apple Mouse
Apple Keyboard with Numeric Keypad
$559 Dell Inspiron: http://configure.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?oc=di545s_r_1e&c=ca&l=en&s=dhs&cs=cadhs1&kc=desktop-inspiron-545s
Intel® Core(TM) 2 Duo E7300 (3MB L2, 2.66GHz, 1066FSB)
4GB Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM at 800MHz- 2 DIMMs
320GB Serial ATA Hard Drive (7200RPM) w/DataBurst Cache(TM)
Dell Mouse / Keyboard
"The PC prices will be in a close neighborhood."
This hasn't been true for 5 years, and gets less true every day.
It fun to watch you people get modded up for something that is, essentially, an easily disproven lie.
"Way to spread FUD."
You mean like the "The PC prices will be in a close neighborhood." FUD that HybridJeff already proved was total bullshit?
Why do you insist on pretending your lie is anything else, or even worse, accuse others of dishonesty when you've been proven to be a liar?
They already did-- but they call it "safe sleep," and it's not easily accessible from the System Preferences.
http://developer.apple.com/mac/library/documentation/Darwin/Reference/ManPages/man1/pmset.1.html
http://www.jinx.de/SmartSleep.html
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