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China Moving To Restrict Neodymium Supply

GuyFawkes writes with this quote from the Independent: "Britain and other Western countries risk running out of supplies of certain highly sought-after rare metals that are vital to a host of green technologies, amid growing evidence that China, which has a monopoly on global production, is set to choke off exports of valuable compounds. Failure to secure alternative long-term sources of rare earth elements (REEs) would affect the manufacturing and development of low-carbon technology, which relies on the unique properties of the 17 metals to mass-produce eco-friendly innovations such as wind turbines and low-energy light bulbs. China, whose mines account for 97 per cent of global supplies, is trying to ensure that all raw REE materials are processed within its borders. During the past seven years it has reduced by 40 per cent the amount of rare earths available for export."

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  1. and why not ? by Zurk · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They have fought to secure those same elements and done their homework. it gives them an economic advantage with both manufacturing and raw mining/refining done in the same place. most western countries in the same position would do the same as would any corporate entity in the western hemisphere. they can export the finished products at a huge markup compared to what they would get for raw minerals.

    1. Re:and why not ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      > Another factor in the trade deficit is their willingness to simply rip off Western IP

      And the fault for that lies where, exactly? With the countries dumb enough to shift their economy to make trivially copied virtual products? Or the one smart enough to create actual goods which other people want to buy?

      Yep, I thought so. One side is being an idiot. The other is being smart. News flash! Smart eventually wins.

    2. Re:and why not ? by BosstonesOwn · · Score: 4, Insightful

      China is in the drivers seat here , do you really think they will stop abusing the power they have ? China is not going to give in easily , more then likely they will agree to some agreement that allows them to do what they want , and then cut production to fall under the line and keep doing what they want.

      Everything is made in China , they can be penalized and they won't care. They will keep doing it until we bar all Chinese products , good luck doing that.

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    3. Re:and why not ? by hairyfeet · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Not to mention the fact that China is building sub bases along with nuclear subs like there is no tomorrow which makes a China meltdown even scarier. Could it be they are getting ready in case they feel the need for some lebensraum? I don't know, but I bet if China suffers a major economic meltdown it really won't be pretty.

      But I wonder how much of this locking down the resources is for economic reasons, and how much is for military use? I'm sure every one of those minerals has a military as well as green use and with them building up their military like mad I wouldn't be surprised if they are locking it down to make it easy to divert supplies to the military as needed.

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    4. Re:and why not ? by TapeCutter · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And I'm thinking... wind turbines, WTF? Wind power is fundamentally old technology; why is the new supposedly-greener generation dependent on stuff the old generation wasn't??

      Yes, I keep hearing this claim lately and my first reaction was the same as yours, surely non-green electrical generators and motors require good magnets?

      Also TFA is complete bullshit, China cannot corner the Neodymium market:- "The main mining areas are China, United States, Brazil, India, Sri Lanka and Australia; and reserves of neodymium are estimated at about 8 million tonnes. Although it belongs to "rare earth metals," neodymium is not rare at all - its abundance in the Earth crust is about 38 mg/kg,, which is the second among rare-earth elements after cerium. The world production of neodymium is about 7,000 tonnes per year."

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    5. Re:and why not ? by Runaway1956 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "Also TFA is complete bullshit, China cannot corner the Neodymium market:"

      While that statement is true, you are distracting from the real issue. China is indeed striving to corner strategic mineral markets, and it's not "news".

      http://www.asianresearch.org/articles/3124.html 2008 article which points out China's growing presence in the African mineral trade market.

      http://www.chinamining.org/Companies/2009-03-26/1238054106d22981.html March 2009 article about China's growing presence in the common metals market, with passing reference to strategic metals.

      http://www.domain-b.com/industry/Mining/20090327_australia_rejects.html March 2009 story about China making a bid to take over Australian mining.

      http://english.cri.cn/7146/2009/01/08/1481s441134.htm January 2009 More to the point of this thread on slashdot, China is regulating the mining and export of strategic metals.

      And, of course, this all goes back to their 10-year plans, and their bid to dominate the world, economically, politically, and militarily - the "Assassin's Mace". People with the slightest clue are worried about neodymium - but they are still missing the "big picture". That damned Assassin's Mace is a working plan, that is moving ahead, while the rest of the world sleeps.

      The world economy won't improve, so long as China is waging an economic war, and we don't even realize it.

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  2. Proof free trade is a failure. by tjstork · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The whole point of free trade was to unlink, fundamentally, resources from national ownership. Now that the Chinese have crossed the rubicon on the basic issue of access to materials on open markets, what is really the point of pretending that they are genuinely interested in free trade? Do we still want to pretend that they are interested in moving towards western liberalism. As much as Republicans called liberals Chamberlins on other issues, conservatives still ignoring the growing failure of free trade with the east are really, fundamentally, the genuine Chamberlins of our day. I hope they choke on their Walmart stock.

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  3. Illusion by stabiesoft · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The global economy is an illusion. China controls its exchange rate. If they let it float, chinese products would double
    triple or maybe even 10X in price almost overnight. China controls imports thru numerous techniques (as do we and everyone else).
    They just recently clamped down on even what web sites will be visible. China is a tightly controlled economy which plans on being number 1 in 5 to 10 years. They think long term and are willing to abuse its citizens in the process. My big worry is once they get those subs they are bulding up & running, the west is screwed. They will now be able to offer the one "product" that up until now, only we could offer. Security. Imagine if you are the Arab nations with all that oil and you can either trade with the US and collect "dollars in an account" and a guarantee of protection or you can get "computers, cars, boats, appliances, furniture, pillows, blankets, screws, bolts, steel, aluminum, pipe, tools, and pretty much anything you want" AND protection from the chinese, who would you sell your oil to? For that matter, ANY raw material producing country will do biz with the chinese, not us. China has played the capitalists over the past couple of decades very well.

  4. Re:not so green, huh? by Penguinisto · · Score: 4, Insightful

    a return to subsistence-style living and community-driven societies

    We have over 6bn people on this planet. If we all went back to subsistence farming, 3/4 or the world will begin to starve in very short order. Starving people tend to do weird things, like start wars, skirmishes, riots and things like that - over suddenly scarce resources (oh like, I dunno... food supplies , arable land, things like that?)

    ...with countries like Poland, who have just absolutely amazing self-reliant and vibrant communities...

    ...and a low enough population density to pull it off. I'm not seeing how Mumbai, Los Angeles or Tokyo can do this with any success, unless we offload the extra people - who still have to live somewhere. I also suspect that a suddenly starving German population would happily 'liberate' Poland's food production for their own use - and guess who would have the bigger guns and more desperate incentive with which to do it?

    It's not a question of being lazy - it's a simple question of logistics that don't fit the paradigm, no matter how utopian and pretty it seems on the surface. There's also the the fact that a subsistence population tends to have astronomically higher birthrates, which tends to increase the pressures instead of alleviating them (but then with the return of disease and a higher child mortality rate, coupled with a lower life expectancy, who knows?)

    ...are you ready for that change...

    I suggest extra ammunition and a rather large stockpile of MRE's until the excess population either dies of starvation or kills each other off. Defensible modifications to your house would help as well. May want to move to a sparsely-populated area as well and ride it out there.

    -OR-

    I suggest that you've spent way too many evenings watching Life After People re-runs, and fantasizing about some sort of post-armageddon future where you get to re-populate a shattered Earth with a gaggle of cute chicks who look to you as some sort of leader... or similar. May not want to close on that farmhouse in Idaho just yet, though.

    It is my contention that:

    1) The whole "Peak Oil" thing is somewhat of a sham, given that technology is emerging beyond a dependence on petroleum (we should be there completely within a couple of decades under normal market conditions, and if oil does start to become scarce, I'm certain that we'll get there even sooner due to simple market pressures). That said, it does have its uses in getting people to move to cleaner tech sooner (and no, you don't necessarily need Chinese rare earth metals to do it - see also hydroelectricity, monocrystal photovoltaics, etc).

    2) China isn't the one and only repository of rare earth metals on this planet - if sufficiently motivated, I suspect that other sources will be found and/or synthesized if need be. Also, there are alternate means of creating clean tech w/o using rare metals to do it - it's all a question of economics and need.

    3) People have been constructing and selling apocalyptic vision ever since St. John wrote his version on the Isle of Patmos. May not want to hold your breath just yet.

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