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IT Workers To Get Fewer Perks, No Free Coffee

dasButcher writes "While the economy is showing signs of recovery and tech stocks posted double- and triple-digit gains in 2009, IT workers are facing a less hospitable workplace in the coming year. Many employers say they're going to continue trimming budgets, particularly in human resources. Rather than giving up head count, they're planning to trim 401k contributions, eliminate bonuses, curtail travel and, dare we say, shut off the free coffee (it wasn't that good anyway)."

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  1. Paging Mr. Vader - something slipping through by Gothmolly · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The more you screw your employees, the more they will find ways to screw you. Turn off Gmail and Slashdot? Fine, I'll take a once-an-hour smoke break. Hack my 401k? I'll sit and stare at the ceiling. Bust by balls about travel costs? See if I don't have a "family thing" next time and can't go. People will take what they feel (rightly or wrongly) is their due, whether you give it to them or not.

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    1. Re:Paging Mr. Vader - something slipping through by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It seems particularly counterproductive to do so on the really cheap; but warm and fuzzy, nonmonetary perks. In even modest quantities, the unit cost of a cup of mediocre coffee isn't quite zero, but it sure isn't high. Certainly lower than the per-unit cost(either for you or for your employees) of having them nipping out to Starbucks for 15 minutes, rather than the kitchen for 5).

    2. Re:Paging Mr. Vader - something slipping through by Gothmolly · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I bet you also think that your employer "pays half" of your Social Security tax. All those things I mentioned, which you classify as perks, are part of the whole package - your salary, your benefits, your coffee, it all equals X dollars per year. If they remove one or more of those, its a pay cut, pure and simple.

      I earn my job, which is why I have one. Do you ?

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    3. Re:Paging Mr. Vader - something slipping through by nine-times · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You have this awful sense of entitlement. Free coffee? Have to justify travel expenses? C'mon the company does not exist to serve you, you exist to work for them and provide value at a minimum of expense.

      No, we really don't exist to work for companies and provide them with maximum value at minimum expense. Thinking we do... now that's an awful sense of entitlement.

    4. Re:Paging Mr. Vader - something slipping through by Another,+completely · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The travel expenses thing has gotten crazy for me. It's like the accountants think the company is doing me a favour letting me go to an exciting foreign hotel, experience the interior of exotic taxis, and meet the charming foreign customs officers. I do not consider it a perk, and being treated as guilty until proven innocent in claiming back the expensive "approved" hotel (instead of a more affordable and convenient one that's not on the list) is just enough to let me accept the less productive option of constant telephone meetings with people whose faces I have never seen.

      That is, I suppose, their goal. Reduced overhead looks good, while lost business and reduced productivity just looks like market forces that are being proactively addressed by more careful attention to reducing expenses. The accountants are taking important action to tighten belts and address the failing ability of the business divisions to deliver top-line growth. The damage they do to the company actually looks like a responsible way to address the business situation. I think they have cause and effect backwards, but it's their decision to make, not mine.

    5. Re:Paging Mr. Vader - something slipping through by jollyreaper · · Score: 4, Funny

      Please.

      You are at work to work, you are not at work to read slashdot and gmail.

      Mr. Pot, allow me to introduce you to Mr. Kettle.

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    6. Re:Paging Mr. Vader - something slipping through by Afty0r · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It seems particularly counterproductive to do so on the really cheap; but warm and fuzzy, nonmonetary perks.

      Every good manager knows that it is far more effective (from an employee motivation POV) to spend a reasonable amount of money providing small and helpful perks like this, than it would be to take the same amount of money and distribute it among the employees as part of their next raise.

    7. Re:Paging Mr. Vader - something slipping through by aes123 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Hate to break it to you, but employees are one of the stakeholders at a company. Contrary to popular belief, a company's sole responsibility is NOT to its shareholders; a company needs to properly balance its responsibilities to it shareholders, employees, and customers. Employees are not ONLY an expense; very often, they are also the reason that a company has a profit to worry about in the first place. If a company spends .1% of its revenue on employee perks like coffee and it earns them 1% in productivity, that sounds like a fantastic return. Focusing on expenses only is back ass-wards, shortsighted, and often counterproductive.

    8. Re:Paging Mr. Vader - something slipping through by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That last paragraph sums up exactly what is wrong with a lot of companies these days, what happens when you let the MBAs and the bean counters run the place. Cutting corners like this, but also outsourcing or the practise of firing staff and hiring contractors, sure looks good on the balance sheet... often because the cost is the same or higher but it'll be OpEx instead of CapEx, or comes out of a different budget. The truth is that in many cases these things end up costing the company dearly.

      Remember what they say about accountants: they know the cost of everything, but they don't have a clue about the value.

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    9. Re:Paging Mr. Vader - something slipping through by Enderandrew · · Score: 4, Interesting

      My last company was "employee owned", which meant the executives had all the stock and were able to give themselves dividends whenever they felt like it.

      In 2007, the company posted a record year, despite being in the newspaper industry. Staffing levels were decreased, no one got raises, but the executives paid themselves nicely.

      In 2008, they practically matched 2007 for profits despite being in the newspaper industry. They started massive layoffs and pay cuts around the board, but the executives matched their 2007 dividends.

      In 2009, I and most of the IT staff finally walked.

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    10. Re:Paging Mr. Vader - something slipping through by rAiNsT0rm · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I once worked running the IT dept. for a bank, and seriously, during a high-level meeting including the president, CFO, myself, and a bunch of VPs they sat and laughed while discussing, for 15 minutes, how they found even crappier plastic utensils that were super cheap (I calculated the savings which equaled $7.00 per month). The combined salary in that room for 15 minutes could have bought Oneida silverware for every kitchenette, and it ended with them stating: "haha, they are so weak and flimsy people will just stop using them and bring their own!" and had a good laugh.

      I was probably never so disgusted with human beings as that moment.

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    11. Re:Paging Mr. Vader - something slipping through by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Funny

      I can only assume, if they were really such awful human beings, that their real motivation was to ensure that none of the provided cutlery was sharp or stiff enough to stab them to death with.

  2. Hacking off your nose to spite your face by Zey · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Anywhere that would cut out coffee from the budget is quite frankly insane. It's a minuscule expense compared to the HR budget and improves productivity dramatically when people would otherwise be flagging (early mornings for night owls, afternoons for early birds).

    The ability to provide free, legal performance enhancing drugs is one of the few negligible-cost productivity boost techniques available. You'd have to be both petty and highly incompetent as a manager to do away with it.

  3. Re:the school district model by DJRumpy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yeah, we've gotta be more concerned about feeding that CEO machine...

  4. Re:I wish they would by OhHellWithIt · · Score: 4, Funny

    Nasty instant Coffee?

    That's nothing. Where I work, we have go outside, and chew the leaves and beans off coffee bushes ourselves.

    Lucky sod! Your coffee's fresher than everyone's!

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  5. Fine, but I want more vacation by cryfreedomlove · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I would sacrifice all of those perks for more paid time off. HP offers new employees something like 12 days PTO and then it schedules 10 days of forced shutdowns per year to get accumulated PTO off the books. This means any new employee gets 2, count them, 2 days to schedule at their own convenience. That's deeply disrespectful. (I don't work at HP but I have friends that do).

  6. It's An Employer's Market by RobotRunAmok · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Twenty years ago, companies jumped-up IT guys and made them "Web Masters" -- coders, server maintainers, content creators and (in their own minds) designers -- giving them six figure salaries. Every company, no matter how small, felt it needed to have a "server room" and maintain their e-mail service locally. The Marketing secretary always needed help figuring out how to print her boss's agenda out of Lotus Organizer.

    Times changed.

    Now, companies buy website templates for sixty bucks non-exclusive (three grand exclusive) and they're sitting in a server room at a place called Dreamhost or Hostgator. The content is maintained via a CMS run by the Marketing secretary. Employers and employees are using Gmail and other cloud-based e-mail systems because the lines between personal and work IT space have become so blurred. Nobody needs help printing anymore, because an entire generation has been raised on the Internet and personal computer systems.

    People will take what they feel (rightly or wrongly) is their due, whether you give it to them or not.
    And employers will replace them with 20-something go-getters with better attitudes and more up-to-date skills, and at half the salary.

    1. Re:It's An Employer's Market by Moryath · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Now, companies buy website templates for sixty bucks non-exclusive (three grand exclusive) and they're sitting in a server room at a place called Dreamhost or Hostgator.

      Getting hacked regularly by some turd who wants to take over the server to make into a warez repository, spam relay, look around for credit card records, or replace all the images with "I kno u dont want 2 see thiz but herez tha ded iraqi babies tha ebil US killz."

      The content is maintained via a CMS run by the Marketing secretary.

      Who barely knows how to spell, let alone write, and thus the site looks incredibly unprofessional. But hey, you get what you pay for. And the exec who set it up this way got a blowjob from the Marketing Boobs...er Secretary.

      Employers and employees are using Gmail and other cloud-based e-mail systems because the lines between personal and work IT space have become so blurred.

      Which works great right until either their net connection goes down, or Gmail has an outage, or AT&T's crappy network is shitting again, and they're bugging the IT guy to "FIX MY GMAIL ON MY IPHONE FIX MY GMAIL ON MY IPHONE FIX MY GMAIL ON MY IPHONE."

      Nobody needs help printing anymore, because an entire generation has been raised on the Internet and personal computer systems

      Right up until they jam the printer, or come up with a document with nonstandard margins, or do 1001 other things that the lusers always do.

      The level of competence in the average office is still right about zero. The difference today is that rather than having respect for the skills of those who can actually handle technology, the lusers have been told they have the right to treat IT staff as somewhere between the House N****r and Corporate Slave. Think about it. Would you stand over the guy fixing your car yelling "FIX IT FASTER I WANT IT NOW FIX IT FIX IT"? No? IT staff get that crap all day long. They are stuck in the no-win scenario wherein if required preventative maintenance means taking something offline for a couple hours, they are yelled at, but if they don't do the preventative maintenance, they get yelled at for not doing it when the system REALLY goes tits-up. They get nickeled and dimed for wanting to implement real security precautions such as proper firewalling and password security, but then blamed for "not doing enough" when Ditzy McSluttyboobs the secretary goes download-happy and unleashes half a dozen worms inside the corporate network.

      And increasingly, they're supposed to be "supporting" systems spread over so many locations and they're only given proper admin control over their own locality, meaning that they get yelled at for telling someone that the problem is at Site #3, and yes, it's being worked on, and no, they don't have the access to fix it directly here at Site #2, and then Dipshit McBrainlesssuit sends an email to his bosses about how things are "always down" and "these guys aren't doing their jobs" in order to try to "force" the poor IT guy to "work faster" on something that isn't even under his control.

    2. Re:It's An Employer's Market by Rhaban · · Score: 5, Funny

      And employers will replace them with 20-something go-getters with better attitudes and more up-to-date skills, and at half the salary.

      I'd like to see how those 20-something will use their up-to-date skills when faced with my 80% cobol environment.

  7. Re:No Coffee = No Code by digitig · · Score: 5, Funny

    If you need it to function, you have a problem and should cut back or quit.

    I need oxygen to function, but I'm worried about cutting back or quitting. I'm told the withdrawal symptoms are pretty bad.

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  8. No worries about the coffee: by Penguinisto · · Score: 5, Funny

    You can always fit a small refrigerator inside of a std. rack (lay a couple of 2x4's across the bottom to hold it up, and make sure the rack doors are on it, front and back). Put your own coffee maker on top of it, and you're set. Tape a few Dell server front panels to the inside of the rack door while you're at it. If you're really into disguises, wire up a few LED's to those panels.

    Now if only there was a way to squeeze a big-screen TV in there... and no, not sideways.

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    1. Re:No worries about the coffee: by JustOK · · Score: 5, Funny

      Vertical racks would work. Tell management that such an arrangement can increase downlink speeds by about 9.8 m/s^2

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  9. Re:the school district model by SnapShot · · Score: 5, Insightful

    IMHO, getting rid of free coffee is a huge mistake. In the scheme of things it's a tiny expense and you're going to lose far more in terms of people bickering about the coffee fund, people running out "on break" to buy coffee, and the basic office environment.

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  10. Re:So? by armanox · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Now they're just another cost center. .

    No, we (IT) has been viewed as a cost center since the 90s. And sometimes as glorified janitors...

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  11. Re:the school district model by TheSeventh · · Score: 4, Interesting

    At the company where I work, they cut off the free coffee last summer, for a cost savings of $80,000 a year. Not exactly a tiny expense, basically one engineer's job.

    Now if we can just get that one engineer whose job it saved to get everybody coffee . . .

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  12. Re:the school district model by farrellj · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Back in the olden days of Computers...like 10 years ago...I was one of the many who was against unionization of IT workers. Now, having been badly treated by both small companies, and one of the largest single-digit level manufacturers of computers, I see that I was wrong. Today's 'sweatshops' are in computer assembly factories, and in call centers. They both use Skinner like systems with seemingly random rewards and punishments to keep people in line.

    These days, digging ditches is a more profitable and satisfying job...fully unionized, with guaranteed vacation and benefits, and a grievance system that actually works!

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  13. Putting on the dick moves by jollyreaper · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm a firm believer that if a business wants to show it cares, it'll say it with money. Because that's the only thing that matters to a business. if it's parting with cash in ways it does not absolutely have to, that says something. But barring that, there's cashless ways to show care. There's not much you can do if you're doing IT-as-a-service where you need to be available for fixed hours but if you're doing dev work that doesn't go on a fixed schedule, give flex time! You worked late during the week, take a half day Friday. Costs the company nothing, same amount of work is getting done. Need a dr's appointment? For the love of xod, we're not going to ding you four hours of vacation time for it.

    I don't really get the silly stuff like pool tables and video games. That just seems like prolonging time spent at work and in a non-productive fashion. I would put more of a premium on getting the max amount of work done in the shortest possible time so people can go home. Quality of life is about having a life outside the office. In-house masseuses, catered lunches every day, that seems a little wasteful. But cutting 401k, cutting fucking coffee? Major dick moves.

    Employers are doing it because it's an employer's market out there. But rest assured, these employers will reap what they sow. The best employees are always the most mobile employees. If your best feel dicked over or if there's even the slightest concern about company stability, they will be out the door in a heartbeat. And it's now accepted in IT culture that you will NEVER make more money at the same employer. The only way to raise your pay is to move to another organization because your current one will never justify paying more for the person they already have, no matter if you're learning new skills, taking on more work, or improving the bottom line.

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  14. Re:the school district model by MBGMorden · · Score: 4, Insightful

    My guess though is that if you're spending $80k per year on coffee, then it's for a hell of a lot of people, and that $80k expense (and a single job) IS tiny on that scale. If an $80k expenditure costs a job but improves morale of a few thousand employees enough to make up for it in productivity gains, then it's the right thing to do.

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  15. Re:No Coffee = No Code by SharpFang · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A cow is a machine that converts grass to milk.
    A programmer is a machine that converts coffee to code.

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  16. Well, in my day... by jlowery · · Score: 4, Funny

    we mixed a little dirt in a cup of cold water and called it instant. If you wanted creamer, you added drop or two of Liquid Paper. Tasted like shit, but the extra chemicals and minerals kept you going.

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  17. Getting... Laid... off... by happy_place · · Score: 4, Interesting

    My kids think the day I came home with office furniture, boxes of office supplies, company teeshirts, and random promotional paraphenalia as one of the best days of Daddy's working life. It was like Christmas to the kids for each of them to get a lucite paperweight with our latest chip in it. Of course, unbeknownst to them, it was the day the company folded, and I was laid off. Still kinda cracks me up... it's all about how you look at things, as to whether they're they end of the world, or just a new world of adventure. :)

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  18. Re:the school district model by Spykk · · Score: 5, Funny

    I have always thought of programming as the art of converting caffeine into an executable. Coffee is part of the cost of doing business.

  19. Re:the school district model by oscarwumpus · · Score: 5, Funny

    You might want to look at the math. If you, as an individual, drank $400 of coffee per year, that would lead to $80,000 of coffee per year covering over 200 employees. Or 100 employees who drink twice as much as you do. Or 50 employees who suffer severe shakes, headaches, and moments of telepathy. Or 25 employees who swim in tanks filled with the spice melange and wrap space-time so heighliner ships can reach their destinations. And that may be money well spent. Or 1 to 5 employees who were selling coffee to the other employees using company funds.

  20. Re:the school district model by MadKeithV · · Score: 5, Funny

    I hear that Chinese HR managers are 20 times cheaper too.

  21. This post... by sean.peters · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ... is a mixture of pure unsupported assertations, and anecdotes pretending to be data. Any evidence to show that "strikes hurt employees more through lost wages than they gain in negotiations"? In fact, there's a lot of history that shows that unions did, in fact, make lives better for not only their own workers, but for everyone - and not only in the form of wages, but also in things like medical benefits and safe working conditions. For example: the five day work week - brought to you by the AFL-CIO.

    Enough with the union bashing, already. Read a little history of the labor movement, and then see what you think.

  22. All you got to do is look outside the US by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Unions work great in the rest of the world.

    Americans seem to have to wrong idea about what Unions are about. It has become a lethal fight in a system that basically says: The worker has no rights.

    In Holland unions work together and it is not unusual for the unions AND the employers to unite and tell the government to go screw it self. Like on wage freezes recently. The government said all wages (except its own oddly enough, an oversight I am sure) should be frozen and in some sectors employees and unions said that they had already sorted things out and wouldn't do it.

    ideally, government, employers and unions/workers should all work together to create a working society with give and take and the realization that just because you are on opposites ends of the negotiation table, that doesn't mean you have to be enemies with no common goals.

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  23. Re:the school district model by infinite9 · · Score: 4, Funny

    He pays dues. He gets no real benefit. And they tell him what he can and can't do.

    Sounds like my home owner's association.

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