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Here We Go Again — Video Standards War 2010

Andy Updegrove writes "Think of the words 'standards war,' and if you're of a certain age you're likely to think of the battle between the Betamax and VHS video tape formats. Fast forward, and you'll recall we just finished another video standards war between most of the same companies, this time between HD DVD and Blu-ray. Well, here we go again, except this time its the movie studios that are duking it out, and DRM issues are a big part of it. On the one side are five of the six major studios, dozens of cable, hardware, software, distribution and device vendors, and on the other side there's just Disney — and maybe Apple as well, and that's enough to have the other side worried."

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  1. Thanks but no thanks. by grub · · Score: 5, Insightful


    [T]his time its the movie studios that are duking it out, and DRM issues is a big part of it.

    I tend to prefer those video standards which are inclusive and unencumbered such as xvid and x264. They've survived. Our library, some of which is many years old, still plays.

    No central server to authorize and track our viewing habits. No chance of having my devices' keys revoked. No need to keep all our gear connected to the net.

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    1. Re:Thanks but no thanks. by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No need to keep all our gear connected to the net.

      That's a big one. I won't purchase any content or product that requires "phoning home". If a company puts out a product and is hostile enough to me that they're going to require I be connected to their servers, I'll find "another solution".

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  2. Aliens vs. Predator... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Whoever wins, we lose."

    1. Re:Aliens vs. Predator... by sakdoctor · · Score: 4, Insightful

      After the epic battle between HD DVD and Blu-ray, I bought an up-scaling DVD player with USB mass storage/Xvid support.

      HD DVD and Blu-ray are the new betamax.

  3. Re:And the winner is... by click2005 · · Score: 4, Funny

    The backside

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  4. Slave to the server by Animats · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Another "slave to the server" DRM scheme. Those have a finite lifetime.

    What's the longest-lived "slaved to a server" DRM scheme? Has any such scheme been working for ten years? iTunes may be the oldest, but they didn't support video until 2005, and they've been moving away from DRM on audio.

    Think of what al-Queda could do with the signing key for Windows Update.

    1. Re:Slave to the server by dancingmilk · · Score: 4, Informative

      You can play single player Steam games offline so long as you run Steam in offline mode.

      Not completely true, it depends on the game.

      L4D2 will not run offline PERIOD. You get ~5 minutes of game play before the game kicks you out because it can't connect to Steam. This will happen even in offline mode...

  5. DRM's added value actually appears by Sockatume · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They've got some cheek, acting like letting us view the same content on multiple devices is an amazing new revolution. We could do that before DRM, and it would've been easy for them to manage DRM such that people could grab more authorised, licenced copies in different formats. That's the whole point of having a licence instead of a physical product.

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  6. The TRUE standards war... by jjoelc · · Score: 5, Insightful

    True standards will only be set by the end users. If nobody buys it, is it a standard?

    If there are 1000 Xvid copies around for every BD copy sold... which one is the standard?

  7. Wrong "two sides" by QuietLagoon · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The two real sides in the battle at those who are in favor of DRM in any shape or form; and those consumers who want to own and control the content they purchase.

    If you RTFA, the two "sides" in that article are really on the same side, that is, the side of removing the consumers' rights for the content the consumers purchase.

  8. KeyChest isn't "DRM", at least on the file level by MBCook · · Score: 5, Informative

    KeyChest isn't really DRM, it's a central repository for purchase information of DRMed files.

    The idea is that companies opt into it, and then every device knows what you own. So when you go download Finding Nemo off iTunes, you can suddenly watch it on your cable box from the cable company, because they are both members of KeyChest and both know that you have a license to that media.

    Basically, it solves the "tied to one format" problem. Each file still needs a "real" DRM format, the KeyChest just serves as a central clearing house of what licenses you have.

    This would fix one of the MAJOR problems with DRM. It's still DRM, but it would be better than what we have now.

    There was a short article on this somewhere (Gizmodo, Engadget, Ars Technica, somewhere) last week. I can't find it right now.

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  9. Good on ya, Apple by argent · · Score: 5, Insightful

    With the multiyear HD DVD Blu-ray battle still a recent memory, we have a new standards face off in video, just as we do in eBooks, and just as it looks like we may in on-line print, where a new consortium led by the News Corporation and others is launching a standards-based "digital newsstand." All of these devices, of course, are targeted at you and I, and each has the potential to not only extend the woes of the music/video/print vendors behind these standards battles, but to waste your money and mine as well.

    Does that strike you as a shame?

    Hell no. The last thing we need is easy to use, standardized DRM. Apple derailed Microsoft's attempt to make Plays for Sure the boot stamping in the face of the music lover, forever, by making sure NOBODY won the music DRM wars. It looks like they're up to their loveable tricks again, and I salute them for it. A fragmented, hard to use, unreliable DRM ecosystem is to the consumer's benefit in the long term.

  10. Much Ado about nothing by quo_vadis · · Score: 4, Informative

    The TFA talks about the war between Digital Entertainment Content Ecosystem (DECE) from 6 of the big movie studios versus Keychest from Disney. But the important this is that Keychest is not DRM . As the name implies its a Key management service, proposed by Disney. It needs DRM such as DECE or Apple's Protected AAC stuff to work. The TFA's author doesnt seem to grasp the basic difference.

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  11. The art of the possible. by jthill · · Score: 4, Interesting

    All the major media companies except Disney and Apple are supporting a media-purchase-validation system that won't work unless your purchase is DRM'd. Disney and Apple are proposing one that works equally well with un-DRM'd media.

    Jobs is at it again.

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  12. Re:KeyChest isn't "DRM", at least on the file leve by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    So you are saying it will play for sure.

  13. Re:Nothing new here.. by mcgrew · · Score: 4, Insightful

    From TFA:

    In the case of the Disney approach, existing standards will be used to make the system work. But in the case of DECE, both content and devices will need to implement a new format standard created by DECE.

    There lies the rub: Few want to replace all their gear just for a new DRM. I think Disne's seems the least unreasonable. If they eschewed DRM entirely, that would be reasonable, since DRM itself encourages piracy by making the legit data hard to work with and the pirate content easy.

    IMO we're in a world wide recession because the Ferengis who run things aren't very reasonable, nor smart. If they'd stop worrying about pirates they'd sell more "content" and make more money.

  14. Awesome! by zmollusc · · Score: 4, Funny

    I can't wait for this. When I buy a bluray film I will then be able to download the film to my iPhone and my netbook. Well, I will if iTunes and whoever also stock the film. And, of course the downloads may well be heavily censored versions of the film because you can't expect them to stock everything. Oh, and there will be lots of targetted ads that i can't ffwd through pasted into the films. Oh, yeah, and the netbook will have to be trusted so cannot be using that evil linux operating system.

    But that aside, yay, woo, I have my credit card ready.

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  15. Except fo Course... by IBitOBear · · Score: 4, Interesting

    You _aren't_ going to get a key for "The White Album" you are going to get a key for "the 2011 release of 'The White Album" in MP3 format from Sony Interactive for use on sPlayer #xxxxxxx" simply because they _can_ be that specific and they _don't_ want to sell anything once that they can sell a million times.

    DRM == RENT, and illegal prior restraint, and a scheme that can never actually work because it is a system that violates every principle of both software engineering and cryptography. No matter how you slice it, DRM is a stupid waste of leptons, time, and money. It is a system based on a complete lack of modularity and locality.

    DRM is a classic case of "who will watch the watchers?" and not just at the corporate and financial and cultural levels. As a simple exercise in software engineering DRM must fail. It is a system that must be part of every element of a system (which is the failure of locality and modularity etc) to the degree that you need to have DRM policing the DRM system.

    DRM is the Perpetual Motion of Software. People keep inventing new versions of it that don't quite work because no version of it can _ever_ deliver what is promised. Companies keep buying into the hype because they are blinded by "the potential". The only difference is that we are all being forced to buy these perpetual motion machines. Sure _this_ one has a battery in it, _that_ one has to be hooked up to the electrical mains. Some other one needs a waterwheel or a solar panel, and they will all tear off an arm or crush your child if you aren't careful... but we are _almost_ there... just one more scheme and we'll have it right...

    The whole thing is a tax, levied by the stupid, paid by the sheep, and ready to break businesses when, I don't know, say Microsoft (or whomever) forgets to update a certificate (or whatever) before it expires (or whatever).

    Where the heck do I find the Opt-Out?

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