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One Variety of Sea Slugs Cuts Out the Energy Middleman

dragonturtle69 writes with this story, short on details but interesting: "These sea slugs, Elysia chlorotica, have evolved the ability to gain energy via photosynthesis. Forget about genetic modifications for sports enhancements. I want to be able to never need to eat again — or do I?"

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  1. eating by mcgrew · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I want to be able to never need to eat again -- or do I?

    I'l like the ability to never HAVE to eat again, but I wouldn't want to lose the ability to eat at all. Eating is enjoyable. One would hope that you could control the photosynthesis to keep from getting too fat, though.

    1. Re:eating by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yeah, but how would this help? Instead of eating you would have to go out into the sun (you know, that big, bright, yellowish thing on the eastern horizon when you go to bed).

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    2. Re:eating by characterZer0 · · Score: 4, Informative

      whoosh.

      The sun rises on the eastern horizon just as you are going to bed after sitting at your computer all night.

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    3. Re:eating by confused+one · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Slugs aren't very energetic. It's doubtful that photosynthesis alone will provide the energy necessary to power your body and that meat based computer in your head. You would still need to ingest a fair amount of food, in order to extract the concentrated energy contained in it.

    4. Re:eating by clone53421 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      New rule: You’re only allowed to intentionally miss the point of a joke if the joke you’re making is funnier than the one you’re ignoring.

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    5. Re:eating by sarahbau · · Score: 5, Informative

      I just did a few quick calculations. Assuming humans have 2 square meters of skin, and stood naked in direct sunlight in the best conditions for 8 hours per day, and assuming 5% efficiency for photosynthesis, we would only get enough energy to provide for 11 hours of sleep (250 BTU/hr), 7 hours of sitting still (400 BTU), 4 hours of light work (650 BTU) or 1 hour of heavy work (2400 BTU). We'd still probably need to consume 2/3 or so of our normal caloric intake from food.

      Sources:
      http://www.solarexpert.com/Heat-theory.html
      http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2001/IgorFridman.shtml
      http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/514275
      http://www.ccmr.cornell.edu/education/ask/index.html?quid=1021

    6. Re:eating by Kompressor · · Score: 4, Funny

      Perhaps the GP planned to unzip his skin down the back, peel it forward, and present his entire "surface area" to the sun?

      ** shudder **

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    7. Re:eating by mea37 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The point I think you (and GP, and the submitter, and many others) are missing is, photosynthesis does not remove the need to eat. Energy isn't the only thing you get from food. If you had vitamin pills so effective that you could live on them, plus sugar, plus water - and nothing else - then you could replace the sugar with the ability to perform photosynthesis. Such pills do not exist.

      In case you're wondering, plants do indeed "eat". That's why they need roots in fertile soil.

    8. Re:eating by jgrahn · · Score: 3, Funny

      Perhaps the GP planned to unzip his skin down the back, peel it forward, and present his entire "surface area" to the sun? ** shudder **

      There are lots of options; the human body is flexible. Remember that Goatse guy? I bet there are other areas of the human body which can be slowly trained and stretched over time, until finally you are able to zip down your pants and fold out your bright green, photosyntesizing scrotum.

      (Oh, how I miss alt.tasteless from the early 1990s ...)

  2. They're Zerg. Duh. by Rei · · Score: 3, Funny

    Any other questions that could be easily answered by playing Starcraft?

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  3. No you don't by kiick · · Score: 3, Insightful

    As everybody knows....
    It's not easy being green.

  4. I want the reverse. by jeffb+(2.718) · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I want to be able to consume as many extra calories as I like, and then radiate the excess as visible light, with radiant area, spectrum and direction under my conscious control.

    Or, at least, I'd like to be able to metabolize my food and store excess energy as electric charge, easily transferred to whatever devices are handy.

    1. Re:I want the reverse. by ArsonSmith · · Score: 4, Funny

      This would be awesome. having a + and - poll could give men's nipples a purpose.

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    2. Re:I want the reverse. by Kratisto · · Score: 5, Funny

      If you can make that light coherent and focused, you can be some sort of super hero. Laser Pointer Assisted Presentation Man! Is it a CEO? Is it a college professor? No! It's Laser Pointer Man! Boring wrongdoers into soporific oblivion at the speed of light! Taunting cats in his free time...

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  5. Photosynthesize! by The+Yuckinator · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Once you've "eaten enough algae to steal the necessary chloroplasts", you'll be good to go!

    I would happily endure eating algae for X days/weeks/months in order to get photosynthesis going in my body. I realize that I'd have to start going outside, but it sounds like a fair trade off to me.

  6. Re:Mail Order Monsters by PrescriptionWarning · · Score: 3, Funny

    I dunno, sub could still work... I mean it worked for Jared eatin all those sammiches!

  7. Re:Nitpick by kmcarr · · Score: 5, Informative

    No, the statement is essentially correct. The slugs harvest (i.e. gain) energy via trapping photons with chlorophyll. They store that energy as chemical bonds in sugar molecules. They then release the energy as needed by metabolizing the sugar. Photosynthesis is the coupled capturing and storing of energy so saying that it "gains" energy via photosynthesis is a reasonable simplification.

  8. Sea Slugs and nematocysts by Guppy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Some species of Sea Slugs have another similar interesting ability -- to adsorb and host nematocysts (stinging cells) from jellyfish and hydrozoans they've eaten, and use them for their own defense. The mechanism is substantially different (foreign cells are sequestered in specialized sacs, compared to the intracellular hosting of an organelle) though.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glaucus_atlanticus

  9. Re:Exactly, eating like a plant by mooingyak · · Score: 3, Funny

    What should I say then when I piss on your leg?

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  10. Re:Exactly, eating like a plant by clone53421 · · Score: 5, Funny

    I’d say, “hi, did you realise that you’re standing in the toilet?”

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  11. Re:been a while since bio class by reverseengineer · · Score: 5, Informative

    Chloroplasts, just as with mitochondria, have a small DNA genome of their own. Due to the endosymbiotic relationship that has formed between chloroplasts and their photosynthetic hosts, chloroplasts have found it convenient to offload the majority of their genes to the nucleus. It is estimated that about 90% of the genes necessary for photosynthesis are nuclear, with the rest in chloroplasts, so these sea slugs appear to have acquired the nuclear genes, but not the chloroplast genes.

    Chlorophyll itself is made in the cytoplasm, and actually requires relatively few new genes for an animal to be able to produce it, since the complicated steps of its biosynthesis are identical to the heme structures it is already able to make. The real difficulty, and one that this sea slug seems to have been able to surmount according to the Wikipedia page, is the production of the "oxygen-evolving complex," a metalloenzyme with a manganese-calcium core which transfers absorbed energy to a bound water molecule to break it into electrons, protons, and molecular oxygen. Heterotrophic organisms don't produce anything like it.

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  12. The Nigerian leader in District 9 was right! by JoshDM · · Score: 3, Funny

    FTA: "The sneaky slugs seem to have stolen the genes that enable this skill from algae that they've eaten."

    I'm gonna go find and chow down on some ninjas right now, so I gain Real Ultimate Power!!

  13. How is this news? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Slugs have been around for millions of years!

  14. Re:Gene transfer question? by osu-neko · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Wouldn't that be a fluke that only needed to happen once?

    Calling it a "fluke" is not an explanation. The thing about scientists is, they like to find out how these "flukes" happen.

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