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Newton's Apple Story Goes Online

Hugh Pickens writes "Although many historians are skeptical of the story, Rev. William Stukeley, a physician, cleric, and prominent antiquarian, wrote that he was once enjoying afternoon tea with Sir Isaac Newton amid the Woolsthorpe apple trees when the mathematician reminisced that he was just in the same situation as when the notion of gravitation came into his mind. It was occasioned by the fall of an apple, as he sat in contemplative mood. The original version of the story of Sir Isaac Newton and the falling apple first appeared in Stukeley's 1752 biography, Memoirs of Sir Isaac Newton's Life. Now BBC reports that UK's Royal Society has converted the fragile manuscript into an electronic book, which anybody with internet access will now be able to read and decide for themselves. 'The story of Newton and the apple, which had gradually become debunked over the years. It is now clear, it is based on a conversation between Newton and Stukeley,' says Martin Kemp, emeritus professor of the history of art at Oxford University's Trinity College. 'We needn't believe that the apple hit his head, but sitting in the orchard and seeing the apple fall triggered that work. It was a chance event that got him engaged with something he might have otherwise have shelved.'"

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  1. Apple Newton by Jazz-Masta · · Score: 5, Funny

    It took me a couple minutes to realize the story was not about the Apple Newton, leading into the rumored Apple Tablet...

    I didn't realize technology had such a hold on my perception of current and past events, as well as common sense.

    1. Re:Apple Newton by JustOK · · Score: 5, Funny

      You clearly didn't recognize the gravity of your situation.

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    2. Re:Apple Newton by sigxcpu · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yes, I would expect them to get a DMCA takedown letter from Apple's lawyers any minute now.

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  2. It doesn't matter what the truth is by girlintraining · · Score: 4, Interesting

    A lot of times, the truth isn't relevant. We have made many heroes in society, and we didn't do it for them: We did it for ourselves. A lot of people we call heroes don't deserve it. Many of them didn't do anything at all. For example, United Airlines Flight 93: We have o objective proof of any kind that the passengers staged any kind of revolt, save a vague phone call. But we deified them into heroes after the tragedy as a symbol of hope. It doesn't matter whether the story is true or not. We needed something to symbolize strength and found it there.

    It doesn't matter if the Apple hit Newton on the head or not. What matters is that it is a colorful story that explains the spirit of scientific discovery. It's the same with Einstein -- how many different ways has popular culture misattributed his discovery of the theory of relativity, or attributed a quote to Einstein that was really by somebody else (or made up). The story of Einstein endures as much because of his scientific achievement as because of popular culture stories that give people hope. Specifically, the hope that if they are smart and study hard, they can achieve great things. Today's sociological research rejects the contention that intelligence has any real bearing on success -- success is a combination of factors, of which intelligence can sometimes help a person.

    We use stories and heroes in scientific literature the same as in any other: To convey our values. As far as I'm concerned, the Apple hit Newton on the head--even if it didn't.

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    1. Re:It doesn't matter what the truth is by jandoedel · · Score: 5, Informative

      No. Truth actually matters a lot for scientists...

    2. Re:It doesn't matter what the truth is by antifoidulus · · Score: 3, Informative

      Actually we do have evidence that the passengers of flight 93 tried to break into the cockpit, namely the flight recorders record the hijackers discussing the revolt.

    3. Re:It doesn't matter what the truth is by antifoidulus · · Score: 2, Informative

      Could you please at least consult wikipedia before saying stuff like this? Directly from the wiki:

      Another hijacker responded, "No. Not yet. When they all come, we finish it off."

      The hijackers were in fact aware that the passengers were revolting and trying to get into the cockpit. Read the damned article if you don't believe me.

      So yeah, you don't really have a point.

    4. Re:It doesn't matter what the truth is by dan828 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Money and fame? In science? WTF you been smoking? Most scientists get paid fuck all, work long hours, and even the top ones in their field are mostly unknown to most everyone but their others that work in the same field.

    5. Re:It doesn't matter what the truth is by Gerafix · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah, that's why you see all those darn greedy attention whoring scientists on American Idol.

    6. Re:It doesn't matter what the truth is by mdwh2 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I can understand "It doesn't really matter if an apple hit him on the head or not, so let's stop trying to decide if it really happened".

      But I'm not so sure about "It doesn't really matter if an apple hit him on the head or not, so let's claim it to be true". The argument about stories sounds worryingly close to the "They're just stories, honest" arguments made when religious people make claims about things being true, when we have no evidence for them.

      Specifically, the hope that if they are smart and study hard, they can achieve great things. Today's sociological research rejects the contention that intelligence has any real bearing on success -- success is a combination of factors, of which intelligence can sometimes help a person.

      So surely this is an example of where the truth does matter, and where it may be an issue for people to believe that "if they are smart and study hard, they can achieve great things" when actually that isn't true?

      The thing that annoys me about the apple story is that it creates the impression that it's ideas that are important - it wasn't the insight, intellect and hard work in developing calculus and formulating a theory of gravity that mattered, rather that it all came in an instant with a single idea. It's this thought process that leads people to thinking that any idea they have is important - as opposed to what you do with it. It also leads to claims that ideas should be protected, for example, through copyright or patent law.

    7. Re:It doesn't matter what the truth is by mdwh2 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It is a method of inquiry, it has certain things that are beyond question (axiomic), and it seeks to answer fundamental questions about the universe.

      So not at all like religion, which doesn't inquire, and doesnt answer those questions.

      It also believes in fairy tales like zombie cats in boxes, as a way of conveying values and knowledge of the world.

      There is no belief. Presumably you're referring to the thought experiment in quantum mechanics which is just that, a thought experiement. No one claims this cat in a box exists. And the claims about what might happen in that experiment are supported by overwhelming amounts of evidence.

    8. Re:It doesn't matter what the truth is by antifoidulus · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Wow, I didn't resort to childish insults, but you alas you lack such maturity. Why would the hijackers make up something like that? For giggles? Why would they crash the plane before reaching their target? For kicks? By your standard of "proof" we cannot prove anything because there were not witnesses. There aren't witnesses to a lot of plane crashes and yet we can figure out what happened. Ditto for murders.

      By the way, you oh so conveniently switched your argument from the passengers as a group(and no evidence they staged a revolt other than a vague phone call), and I quote:

      United Airlines Flight 93: We have o objective proof of any kind that the passengers staged any kind of revolt, save a vague phone call.

      to an argument that says we cannot prove which passengers staged the revolt. Bravo! Bravo! You win the slashdot argument award, ie prove I'm right no matter how much I have to change my definition of right.

      Again, congrats on the name calling!

    9. Re:It doesn't matter what the truth is by mdwh2 · · Score: 2, Informative

      No, I'm referring to the whole of mathematics, one of the cornerstones of science.

      Maths isn't science, but even so, it still doesn't require beliefs. And whilst we're at it, science and maths aren't people - they don't and can't have beliefs.

      So come on, what are these "fairy tales like zombie cats in boxes" you allege are asserted by maths or science, or whatever it is you are saying?

      Science also has a few tenets of faith, like occam's razor.

      That's not a requirement of science, nor a belief - it's a principle that makes science either (by making models not more complex than they need be).

      You can run from these basic truths all you want, but when you boil it all down, science is based on a finite number of beliefs, from which every conclusion it can make is derived from.

      Conclusions are made from observation and evidence.

  3. not news by trb · · Score: 2, Interesting
    If you web search for the text, you will find it quoted in various web pages and books (not all recent).

    for example, search for this text:

    "amidst other discourse he told me he was just in the same situation"

  4. Fortunately by snarkh · · Score: 3, Funny

    Newton's apple was better received than Apple's Newton.

  5. Cue apple fanbois in 3 2 1 by Culture20 · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'm partial to Granny Smith, Pink Ladies, and Honeycrisp myself. I bet Newton's apple was a generic unnamed variety.

  6. Re:Blogs by _Sprocket_ · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Blogs are roaming the earth yet best seller lists continue on. Go figure.

  7. I for one, will buy it by nilbog · · Score: 5, Funny

    Man the rumors on this new force thing are really ramping up leading up to Apple's expected event at the end of the month. I've heard some people claim that it is a whole new force while others are just complaining "aww... it's just another form of the same old electromagnetism we've seen."

    Whatever it is, Apple doesn't disappoint very often. I've heard speculation that they'll be calling it "iGravity" or something similar. Now this headline is saying that it will go online somehow. I can't wait!

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  8. Re:Blogs by ultramk · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Right, because nobody writes about stuff like that any more.

    Hey man, just cause you're not reading them, doesn't mean they aren't being written. You also seem to think that writing is a zero-sum game: that the more is blogged, the less is published in a more permanent fashion. It just ain't so: today's blog is often just a more sharable and immediate addition to lab notes. The phrase is still "publish or perish", not "post or perish".

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  9. This is why ... by PPH · · Score: 3, Funny

    ... gravity wsn't discovered by a Hawaiian scientist. It would have been a coconut and he would have been killed when it hit his head. No theory of gravity.

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    1. Re:This is why ... by radtea · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It would have been a coconut and he would have been killed when it hit his head. No theory of gravity.

      Although it is true that falling coconuts kill more people every year than sharks, it is not clear why you think Newton was hit on the head by an apple.

      The text makes it obvious he was seeing an apple fall (probably more than one if he really sat in an orchard for any length of time. It's fairly rare that we have an opportunity to observe a freely falling object from a distance, and orchards are excellent places for such observation.

      Newton's reflections as reported by Stukeley are just what one would expect of genius, as well: he asks himself why something that is commonplace and taken for granted happens the way it does, rather than just assuming "well of course that's the way it happens... how else could it be?" He imagines the apply falling sideways, or upwards, and realizes that it's fall is always perpendicular to the surface of the Earth, which is to say toward the centre, rather than toward any other part of it.

      I guess if non-scientists historians were reading this over the last 300 years they might have "debunked" it based on their ignorance of the way scientists think, but it seems quite plausible to me, and the sort of thing a mere biographer at the outset of the scientific revolution would be unlikely to be able to invent so plausibly.

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  10. You have that story all wrong... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You've got the story all wrong. While it's true that the hijackers, not the passengers, downed that flight, there's plenty of evidence (from the flight recorder and elsewhere) that they did it because the passengers were trying to retake the plane.

    And it's a good thing that people have their example, because passengers resisting the terrorists for fear of their lives is what has stopped every attempted terrorist after them. Sure, their bombs probably wouldn't work, but lucky for us, the passengers made sure they didn't have much time to work on them. That alone is far more helpful than all the crazy scanners and useless rules we've added since then.

  11. "Multi-breasted female figure" by Macblaster · · Score: 2, Interesting

    There is a more important mystery here than whether Newton actually saw an apple fall. Please see this illustration in Stukeley's memoir.

    The caption explains what I am seeing: "Newton’s face is shown in profile, in the style of a medallion and supported by a multi-breasted female figure."

    The caption does not explain why I am seeing it.

  12. Finally someone who can address the myth! by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 2, Funny

    "A lot of times, the truth isn't relevant."

    I've suspected you were Melinda Gates for some time now, but this is the first time I have been unable to uncover any direct evidience. Is it true that a computer fell on Bill's head and inspired him to discover the GUI and pay someone to write Windows?

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