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Obama DOJ Sides With RIAA Again In Tenenbaum

NewYorkCountryLawyer writes "Despite having had some time to get their act together, Obama's Department of Justice has filed yet another brief defending the RIAA's outlandish statutory damages theory — that someone who downloaded an mp3 with a 99-cent retail value, causing a maximum possible damages of 35 cents, is liable for from $750 to $150,000 for each such file downloaded, in SONY BMG Music Entertainment v. Tenenbaum. The 25- page brief (PDF) continues the DOJ's practice of (a) ignoring the case law which holds that the Supreme Court's due process jurisprudence is applicable to statutory damages, (b) ignoring the law review articles to like effect, (c) ignoring the actual holding of the 1919 case they rely upon, (d) ignoring the fact that the RIAA failed to prove 'distribution' as defined by the Copyright Act, and (e) ignoring the actual wording and reasoning of the Supreme Court in its leading Gore and Campbell decisions. Jon Newton of p2pnet.net attributes the Justice Department's 'oversights' to the 'eye-popping number of people [in its employ] who worked for, and/or are directly connected with, Vivendi Universal, EMI, Warner Music and Sony Music's RIAA.'"

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  1. Hope and Change, baby! by bheer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    or not. Obama or not, remember that Hollywood greases Republican and Democrat pockets alike. Many of the big guys at the MPAA and RIAA are Democrats too, which must surely help.

    As long as Hollywood gives politicians glamour by attending fundraisers, and actual cold hard cash, you won't find anyone in the government willing to speak out against Big Content. The only thing that can change this is public opinion.

    1. Re:Hope and Change, baby! by mangu · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The only thing that can change this is public opinion.

      And public opinion is molded by Big Content. We are fucked.

    2. Re:Hope and Change, baby! by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 5, Insightful

      remember that Hollywood greases Republican and Democrat pockets alike.

      Though it should be noted that Hollywood contributes much more to the Democrats than the Republicans.

      76% to Dems in 2010 (so far), 78% to Dems in 2008, not less than 62% in any election cycle in the last two decades.

      So it's insane to assume that a Democratic administration is going to rein in the entertainment industry. It's not likely that a Republican administration will either, but they're more likely to be able to give up the relatively small amount of money they get from Hollywood than the Dems will.

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      "I do not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"
    3. Re:Hope and Change, baby! by mcgrew · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Hope for the best, prepare for the worst. I hoped Obama would be a good President, I feared he would not. He's just a politician, not the god folks were making him out to be.

      So far I'm starting to lose hope in him; first the "health care reform" that does nothing but line insurance executives' pockets, now Tanenbaum and the RIAA.

      Change, my ass.

    4. Re:Hope and Change, baby! by vlm · · Score: 5, Interesting

      That is patently false. If you look at political donations from Hollywood, it overwhelmingly favors Democrats. If one looks at executives of RIAA and MPAA companies the imbalance is even greater.

      Pay one cop $1M each month to look the other way. Pay the other cop $2M each month to look the other way. Which cop turns you in? Answer, neither, because both want the money, and killing the goose that lays the golden eggs is no way to make money.

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      "Science flies us to the moon. Religion flies us into buildings." - Victor Stenger
  2. Really? Seriously? by wandazulu · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm having that "meet the new boss, same as the old boss" moment that I really didn't want to have.

    1. Re:Really? Seriously? by ep32g79 · · Score: 5, Informative

      A majority of them. And most all of those appointed were pro-copyright, including 5 RIAA attorneys. and many others that are anti-content.

  3. Obama was a Constitutional Law Prof. by GPLDAN · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Obama taught, was editor of the Harvard Law Review, and graduated top of his class.


    How he can abide this DOJ finding is really unknowable, outside of politics. It is behavior and outcomes like this that cost his party Mass. last night, and may well cost him his re-election bid in 2012. Pollingplace.com showed that last night in Mass., 37% of voters that voted for this independent that won, did so in protest of Democrats favoring Wall Street in the bailout.

    The lesson is simple: Either the DOJ and the Obama administration stop taking sides against Main Street and for the big corporate interest, or they will keep losing.

  4. Deep breaths here people by nenya · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is the President's job folks: to defend the laws passed by Congress and signed into law by a sitting President. It's implied by the Oath of Office. Presidents ignoring laws they don't like by refusing to defend them in court--which is what the DOJ is doing here--would be a pretty flagrant violation of the obligations of the executive.

    This is not the first time and will not be the last that a President, through his officers, defends a law he isn't thrilled about. Just because DOJ lawyers show up with a brief in support of a law does not mean that the President--or even the DOJ lawyers, for crying out loud--believe either 1) that the law is worth defending, or 2) the validity of their own arguments. They're just doing their jobs.

    1. Re:Deep breaths here people by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It'd be far worse if the DOJ started picking and choosing which laws they wanted to enforce/defend.

      You misunderstand what the Constitution is. It is a law. And it is the highest law, in the sense that any law which conflicts with it is invalid. The Supreme Court is the interpreter of the laws, and has determined that the Constitution does not permit damage awards which are 'disproportioned' to the actual damage sustained. The DOJ, as attorneys, swore an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States, as did the President, as did the Supreme Court justices.

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      Ray Beckerman +5 Insightful
  5. Hello?... by Genda · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Folks, what part of "The RIAA is in your pocket, and in your life" are you not getting? For the love of Pete, the Vice President is a media hit-man... what do they have to do before it's clear, carve their initials in your forehead? There is no law, no juris-prudence, no honest, decent, or rational bit of thinking that the RIAA won't pave over, pay to have overturned, ignored, or publicly gutted, to protect their charges' strangle hold on media. Once they are finished with this little piece of business, they can move to the next piece. Make all use public or private payable, maybe they can even get a tax passed on the presumed number of people at anytime who my be humming a tune to themselves. That and make all new music created from that day forward, which is not owned by an affiliate of the RIAA illegal to listen to. They want a monopoly on sound, and they want to own your ears, and they want to utterly destroy anybody who get's in the way of what they want. CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW...

  6. Re:This isn't helpful by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 5, Informative

    I did not say that it was unconstitutional to award statutory damages; I challenge the amount. Under United States Supreme Court standards, the statutory damages awarded should not have exceeded something in the neighborhood of $1.40 per infringed work.

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    Ray Beckerman +5 Insightful
  7. Re:Money = Speech so they say by Beardo+the+Bearded · · Score: 5, Informative

    Hi there, I'm from Canada. You might remember us from previous political threads such as "Canada's healthcare isn't that bad." and "Dude, 1812 was almost 200 years ago. We have nukes now."

    We have national funding for our political parties. In order to prevent, let's say, the "BSTFF (Beardo Should Totally get Federal Funding)" party from forming and pocketing a whack o' cash, you get a certain amount from every vote that's cast your way. I'm not going to bother looking it up, but it's about $1.50 per vote. So if you get a million votes, you'd get $1.5M. We had 13.8 million voters last election. 37%, or just over 5 million, voted for the Conservative party. (So that's about $7.5 million from Elections Canada.)

    We also have campaign contributions and you can claim those on your income taxes. However, there are limits and those are enforced via jail time. Rather than cut-and-paste, here they are. In short, you can only contribute $1,100 per year and companies / corporations / trade unions / etc cannot make them.

    Now, this is where it gets interesting, is that we have spending limits on campaigns. Third-party limits are just under $200k total, across all electoral districts. It's just under $4k for each district. The parties themselves can spend a total of about $20 million for the bigger parties. http://www.sfu.ca/~aheard/elections/laws.html

    That's not all. Each party has a certain amount of media time alloted to it. It works out to 396 minutes per broadcaster in total, with allocations given out based on some formula locked in Ottawa somewhere.
    http://www.sfu.ca/~aheard/elections/laws.html

    All in all, our system works out reasonably well as long as you've got people in Parliament who are willing to work together. We don't right now, so government shut itself down for 2 months.

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  8. On behalf of we who warned you about Obama, by FiloEleven · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I told you so.

    Not that McCain would have been any better.

    Stop voting for the state-approved candidates.
    Stop relying on a party to do your homework for you.
    Stop believing that either of the main ones has your interests in mind.

  9. Re:Pay & Nominate NewYorkCountyLawyer? by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 5, Funny

    If legally permitted (I'm Canadian) I'll donate $100 to the Democratic Party if they appoint NewYorkCountyLawyer to head up the Department of Justice.

    And I'll pay you $100 to remember I'm NewYorkCountryLawyer, not NewYorkCountyLawyer. [Just kidding. I wouldn't even know what $100 looks like]

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    Ray Beckerman +5 Insightful
  10. Re:This isn't helpful by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 5, Informative

    I think the problem is that the $22,750 in statutory damages for each of the 30 infringements that the court ruled to be just, could be construed as excessive.

    The Court has NOT 'ruled it to be just'. The jury rendered that verdict, and the judge established a briefing schedule for the parties to submit papers on whether it was unconstitutional or otherwise excessive. The Court has yet to determine that it is just, and in my opinion will almost undoubtedly determine that it is not just, based on about 700 years of legal precedent.

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    Ray Beckerman +5 Insightful
  11. Re:Summary full of errors by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 5, Informative

    NYCL clearly has his "side". The statements in it should be considered to be nothing more than opinion, as they are, rather than statements of fact or actual precedent

    True

    because the courts have repeatedly explored and rejected his claims

    False. The issue has never been decided in any of the RIAA cases. The only RIAA case in which it has been litigated to any extent was UMG v. Lindor, where
    -the RIAA argued that it was a frivolous defense,
    -I argued that it was not a frivolous defense, and
    -the Judge agreed with me and rejected the RIAA's argument.

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    Ray Beckerman +5 Insightful