Here's a better one: why don't we focus on the underlying issues rather than basically meaningless terminology that everybody involved understands what is meant anyway.
You have to live in a state that allows a class C weapon. This includes fully automatic firearms. If you live in such states, you can buy any fully automatic firearm from a licensed dealer regardless of the age of the firearm.
If you buy a pre 1986 device you can purchase it in any state provided you pass the background checks and pay your money.
No. No. No. and No.
The only entity that is allowed to purchase a machine gun that was manufactured post 86 is a government entity. Period, no exceptions.
A Type 1 Federally Licensed Firearms Dealer who maintains his FFL in good standing along with paying the accompanying Class 3 Special Occupational Tax may purchase a machine gun manufactured post 86 on behalf of a government entity if and only if the licensed firearms dealer first receives a letter, on official government letterhead, stating that the government entity is capable of purchasing and wishes for the dealer to procure the machine gun so they may sample. (this letter is colloquially known as a 'love letter from the Sheriff')
If you are not a Type 1 FFL SOT 3 that is procuring machine guns for a gov't entity then you are relegated to the Type II Pre-86 NFA machine gun market. The gun the sheriff can get for $500 will run you $25,000 because of the requirement for it to have been registered pre-86.
Further, if you live in a state that does not outlaw machine guns outright and you do find a pre-86 you wish to purchase, you better be in good standing with the sheriff or chief law enforcement officer of your area as he will have to sign off on paperwork before you even send it in to the BATFE. This is also entirely at the CLEO's digression. If he does not want to sign it, tough shit. If he will, great! Now it's time to get your mug shot taken, your prints digitally taken and a check for $200 to be made out to the BATFE and sent in. Then you wait for 6-12 months for the results of your background check and if you are squeaky clean they'll send you a tax stamp saying you are clear to posses your machine gun. Then you can finally take possession of it. Oh and did I mention, you need to plunk down the $15,000 for the weapon up front before you even send in your paperwork?
It's a small block of aluminum that fits into low-profile AR15 lower receivers and makes it a full auto (not even select fire, that's a weird cam design that you have to buy fully assembled).
It costs about $50 to make and $15,000-$20,000 to register if your state even allows it.
A Drop-In Auto Sear is a $5 piece of aluminum that is illegal to possess unless it had been registered as a machine gun prior to the Firearm Owners' Protection Act being enacted due to the Hughes Amendment attached. The reason this little piece of metal is $15,000 is because no more little pieces of metal like it can be registered with the government to make it legal to posses.
I'm a little out of my depth but "comprehensive legislation" these days makes me nervous that there aren't sneaky things in there.
Unfortunately it happens far too often. Take the Hughes Amendment for example, If you pay attention, you'll notice the amendment that Mr. Hughes brings to the table fails to pass, but is instead inserted into the bill as passed by the gavel of Mr. Rangel.
Technical details here for the morbidly curious, though there's some questioning the legality of this classification.
There's not much question as to the legality of BATFE's decision, if you are in possession of an AR15 and an unregistered lightning link prepare for a decade long trip to club fed.
An interesting note: in 2004 the BATFE declared your shoe laces to be machine guns.
What actually constitutes "well regulated" is admittedly controversial, but requiring a license to own a gun is generally accepted as being part of that regulation and is not really all that controversial for most people.
No it's not. Well regulated, as used in the 2nd amendment is defined as being in proper working order. I.E. a well regulated clock is calibrated properly and functions as expected. The meaning of "Well Regulated" has nothing to do with laws governing the responsibilities of a militia in the current sense of the word regulated. And indeed this definition was held by the Supreme Court of the United States in District of Columbia Et. Al. vs. Heller
"Finally, the adjective “well-regulated” implies nothingmore than the imposition of proper discipline and training.See Johnson 1619 (“Regulate”: “To adjust by rule ormethod”); Rawle 121–122; cf. Va. Declaration of Rights13 (1776), in 7 Thorpe 3812, 3814 (referring to “a well-regulated militia, composed of the body of the people,trained to arms”)." District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008)
Wonder how gVoice would do transcribing google's own recaptcha audio. Someone go try that. Either way though, it's an interesting dilemma if they ever got automatic transcription good enough to defeat these audio recaptchas.
* Well, after RTFA, I realize that a fair bit of what they did was actually more related to hashing (and the pseudo-random generator) vs actually trying to parse the audio, but still.
In the presentation they did that question was raised and they stated that using gvoice was the first thing they did with no luck.
... ask them to repeat all the commands on multiple occasions, tell them that the commands don't work, put them on hold (phone to the speakers playing thrash metal works really well), laugh at their stupidity
Kinda like what happened in Oklahoma , where the RNC tried to railroad the convention by refusing to follow Robers Rules of Order and Romney supporters physically assaulting Ron Paul supporters?
Since we're talking about a LIFESPAN of a human being, not just one decade...... YES the number of Americans killed by falling meteorites over the last 80 years does exceed the 3000 killed on 9/11.
Where in the hell do you get this stuff, the odds of being fatally hit by a meteorite is infinitesimal. There have only been a very small handful of individuals hit by meteorite in recent history and all of them survivors.
Verizon is the first company I've seen try to pull an asshat move like this.
I've seen this before with the banks and ATM's. Initially the banks decided that ATM's allowed them to reduce their operational overhead by lowering the burden on their tellers and pushed to get customers using these machines. This worked out well for a couple years until ATM's became the de facto norm for money transactions then banks ushered in miscellaneous fees for the convenience of using an ATM billed under the guise of an added burdensome operating expense for having to maintain the ATM's.
Their ticket response time is kind of slow but if you know what you are doing in linux it isnt much of an issue.
I would highly recommend either the Texas or California location. The Pennsylvania one is up and down all the time.
How many private banks are going to be willing to fork over $20,000-200,000 for an education for an 18 year old kid with no credit history, no job, and a low likelihood of gaining employment in their first 5 years that will pay anything close to enough to be able to aford the payments on that loan?
The reason the federal student loan program exists is because it ISN'T profitable to make that loan. Most kids are going to default, and the banks will be left holding the bag.
At most it partially explains motive while ignoring means and opportunity.
Perhaps not. But the example is to highlight that any conversation, even those which are considered to be the most innocent, will never ever be exculpatory.
This is really is one of those situations that if you aren't doing anything illegal don't worry about it and if you do worry about it find another tool.
Consider this scenario: Your neighbor dies a horrible death at the hands of the most gruesome killer. The police are pressured by the community to bring his killer to justice. In their dragnet, they listen in on your phone call to your mother in which you state to her that:
"My neighbor is dead, died a gruesome death and the police were all over the place.... I never really liked the guy, but it's sad to see him go that way"
They haul you in for questioning and charge you with his murder. What do you think the testimony of the officers will be in court?
Prosecutor: "Officer Jones, was there anything funny about the conversation you heard between the defendant and his mother?"
Officer Jones: "Yes there was, He stated his neighbor died a gruesome death, but the newspaper had not reported that yet"
Prosecutor: "Was there anything else peculiar about the conversation?"
Officer Jones: "Ohh yea, he said he never liked the guy."
Open and shut, do not pass go, do not collect $200. Point being, even the most innocuous of conversations can be taken out of context and used against you and it doesn't even have to be due to malice on the part of the recollecting party.
The four companies that were smacked with this fine are:
Main Street Telephone for $4,200,000
VoiceNet Telephone, LLC for $3,000,000
Cheap2Dial Telephone, LLC for $3,000,000
Norristown Telephone, LLC for $1,500,000
Looks like either the majors are not engaging in this practice or too large of Goliaths for the FTC to consider throwing stones at.
Reminds me of a story I read somewhere, where the police didn't have a polygraph available. So they rigged up a headband with some wires, ran the wires into a photocopier and printed off copies of "HE'S LYING" in huge letters every time they thought he was. Probably and urban legend, but also probably about as effective as a 'real' polygraph is.
And if true, someone somewhere who has an IQ bordering on mentally disabled is sitting in a jail cell for a crime he did not commit but confessed to under false pretense, all while the real perp is free to commit again. =/
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Here's a better one: why don't we focus on the underlying issues rather than basically meaningless terminology that everybody involved understands what is meant anyway.
Because when we stop focusing on terminology we get legislators who ban items like "Shoulder things that go up"
You have to live in a state that allows a class C weapon. This includes fully automatic firearms. If you live in such states, you can buy any fully automatic firearm from a licensed dealer regardless of the age of the firearm.
If you buy a pre 1986 device you can purchase it in any state provided you pass the background checks and pay your money.
No. No. No. and No.
The only entity that is allowed to purchase a machine gun that was manufactured post 86 is a government entity. Period, no exceptions.
A Type 1 Federally Licensed Firearms Dealer who maintains his FFL in good standing along with paying the accompanying Class 3 Special Occupational Tax may purchase a machine gun manufactured post 86 on behalf of a government entity if and only if the licensed firearms dealer first receives a letter, on official government letterhead, stating that the government entity is capable of purchasing and wishes for the dealer to procure the machine gun so they may sample. (this letter is colloquially known as a 'love letter from the Sheriff')
If you are not a Type 1 FFL SOT 3 that is procuring machine guns for a gov't entity then you are relegated to the Type II Pre-86 NFA machine gun market. The gun the sheriff can get for $500 will run you $25,000 because of the requirement for it to have been registered pre-86.
Further, if you live in a state that does not outlaw machine guns outright and you do find a pre-86 you wish to purchase, you better be in good standing with the sheriff or chief law enforcement officer of your area as he will have to sign off on paperwork before you even send it in to the BATFE. This is also entirely at the CLEO's digression. If he does not want to sign it, tough shit. If he will, great! Now it's time to get your mug shot taken, your prints digitally taken and a check for $200 to be made out to the BATFE and sent in. Then you wait for 6-12 months for the results of your background check and if you are squeaky clean they'll send you a tax stamp saying you are clear to posses your machine gun. Then you can finally take possession of it. Oh and did I mention, you need to plunk down the $15,000 for the weapon up front before you even send in your paperwork?
Registered Drop-In Auto Sear (RDIAS). Google it.
It's a small block of aluminum that fits into low-profile AR15 lower receivers and makes it a full auto (not even select fire, that's a weird cam design that you have to buy fully assembled).
It costs about $50 to make and $15,000-$20,000 to register if your state even allows it.
A Drop-In Auto Sear is a $5 piece of aluminum that is illegal to possess unless it had been registered as a machine gun prior to the Firearm Owners' Protection Act being enacted due to the Hughes Amendment attached.
The reason this little piece of metal is $15,000 is because no more little pieces of metal like it can be registered with the government to make it legal to posses.
I'm a little out of my depth but "comprehensive legislation" these days makes me nervous that there aren't sneaky things in there.
Unfortunately it happens far too often.
Take the Hughes Amendment for example, If you pay attention, you'll notice the amendment that Mr. Hughes brings to the table fails to pass, but is instead inserted into the bill as passed by the gavel of Mr. Rangel.
Look at the ``Lightning Link'' graphic here:
http://www.atf.gov/firearms/guides/identification-of-nfa-firearms.html
http://www.atf.gov/graphics/firearms/weapons/fullsize/conversion-part-lightning-link.jpg
Technical details here for the morbidly curious, though there's some questioning the legality of this classification.
There's not much question as to the legality of BATFE's decision, if you are in possession of an AR15 and an unregistered lightning link prepare for a decade long trip to club fed.
An interesting note: in 2004 the BATFE declared your shoe laces to be machine guns.
What actually constitutes "well regulated" is admittedly controversial, but requiring a license to own a gun is generally accepted as being part of that regulation and is not really all that controversial for most people.
No it's not. Well regulated, as used in the 2nd amendment is defined as being in proper working order. I.E. a well regulated clock is calibrated properly and functions as expected. The meaning of "Well Regulated" has nothing to do with laws governing the responsibilities of a militia in the current sense of the word regulated. And indeed this definition was held by the Supreme Court of the United States in District of Columbia Et. Al. vs. Heller
"Finally, the adjective “well-regulated” implies nothingmore than the imposition of proper discipline and training.See Johnson 1619 (“Regulate”: “To adjust by rule ormethod”); Rawle 121–122; cf. Va. Declaration of Rights13 (1776), in 7 Thorpe 3812, 3814 (referring to “a well-regulated militia, composed of the body of the people,trained to arms”)." District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008)
You sure about that?
Wonder how gVoice would do transcribing google's own recaptcha audio. Someone go try that. Either way though, it's an interesting dilemma if they ever got automatic transcription good enough to defeat these audio recaptchas.
* Well, after RTFA, I realize that a fair bit of what they did was actually more related to hashing (and the pseudo-random generator) vs actually trying to parse the audio, but still.
In the presentation they did that question was raised and they stated that using gvoice was the first thing they did with no luck.
In other words, pretend you're a luser?
Kinda like what happened in Oklahoma , where the RNC tried to railroad the convention by refusing to follow Robers Rules of Order and Romney supporters physically assaulting Ron Paul supporters?
Since we're talking about a LIFESPAN of a human being, not just one decade...... YES the number of Americans killed by falling meteorites over the last 80 years does exceed the 3000 killed on 9/11.
Where in the hell do you get this stuff, the odds of being fatally hit by a meteorite is infinitesimal. There have only been a very small handful of individuals hit by meteorite in recent history and all of them survivors.
Verizon is the first company I've seen try to pull an asshat move like this.
I've seen this before with the banks and ATM's. Initially the banks decided that ATM's allowed them to reduce their operational overhead by lowering the burden on their tellers and pushed to get customers using these machines. This worked out well for a couple years until ATM's became the de facto norm for money transactions then banks ushered in miscellaneous fees for the convenience of using an ATM billed under the guise of an added burdensome operating expense for having to maintain the ATM's.
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Their ticket response time is kind of slow but if you know what you are doing in linux it isnt much of an issue.
I would highly recommend either the Texas or California location. The Pennsylvania one is up and down all the time.
How many private banks are going to be willing to fork over $20,000-200,000 for an education for an 18 year old kid with no credit history, no job, and a low likelihood of gaining employment in their first 5 years that will pay anything close to enough to be able to aford the payments on that loan?
The reason the federal student loan program exists is because it ISN'T profitable to make that loan. Most kids are going to default, and the banks will be left holding the bag.
You might want to brush up on your bankruptcy law ...Bankruptcy Abuse Prevention and Consumer Protection Act of 2005 does now allow for the discharge of student loan debt through bankruptcy.
Fail, It's upside down
At most it partially explains motive while ignoring means and opportunity.
Perhaps not. But the example is to highlight that any conversation, even those which are considered to be the most innocent, will never ever be exculpatory.
This is really is one of those situations that if you aren't doing anything illegal don't worry about it and if you do worry about it find another tool.
You are arguing a false dichotomy and the third axiom is the expectation of privacy from government intrusion.
Consider this scenario: Your neighbor dies a horrible death at the hands of the most gruesome killer. The police are pressured by the community to bring his killer to justice. In their dragnet, they listen in on your phone call to your mother in which you state to her that:
"My neighbor is dead, died a gruesome death and the police were all over the place.... I never really liked the guy, but it's sad to see him go that way"
They haul you in for questioning and charge you with his murder. What do you think the testimony of the officers will be in court?
Prosecutor: "Officer Jones, was there anything funny about the conversation you heard between the defendant and his mother?"
Officer Jones: "Yes there was, He stated his neighbor died a gruesome death, but the newspaper had not reported that yet"
Prosecutor: "Was there anything else peculiar about the conversation?"
Officer Jones: "Ohh yea, he said he never liked the guy."
Open and shut, do not pass go, do not collect $200. Point being, even the most innocuous of conversations can be taken out of context and used against you and it doesn't even have to be due to malice on the part of the recollecting party.
Your analogy is confusing. Can I get one with cars?
Main Street Telephone for $4,200,000
VoiceNet Telephone, LLC for $3,000,000
Cheap2Dial Telephone, LLC for $3,000,000
Norristown Telephone, LLC for $1,500,000
Looks like either the majors are not engaging in this practice or too large of Goliaths for the FTC to consider throwing stones at.
Reminds me of a story I read somewhere, where the police didn't have a polygraph available. So they rigged up a headband with some wires, ran the wires into a photocopier and printed off copies of "HE'S LYING" in huge letters every time they thought he was. Probably and urban legend, but also probably about as effective as a 'real' polygraph is.
And if true, someone somewhere who has an IQ bordering on mentally disabled is sitting in a jail cell for a crime he did not commit but confessed to under false pretense, all while the real perp is free to commit again. =/
act belligerent (e.g. threatening police officers arresting a friend while they are videoing the arrest) there shouldn't be a problem.
Actually, your belligerent words may be constitutionally protected (although threats of violence not so much) Read: City of Houston, Texas v. Hill
Using your constitutionally guaranteed rights does not work so well at these checkpoints.
For North American readers, a "nappy" is a diaper.
You are still missing the point. It's not the Technical Standard that you program for, but quite simply the customers standards.