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Electromagnetic Pulse Gun To Help In Police Chases

adeelarshad82 writes "In an attempt to put an end to dangerous, high-speed police chases, scientists at Eureka Aerospace have developed an electromagnetic pulse gun called the High Power Electromagnetic System, or HPEMS. It develops a high-intensity directed pulse of electricity designed to disable a car's microprocessor system, shutting down all of its systems. Right now the prototype seen in a video fills an entire lab, but they have plans to shrink its size to hand-held proportions. Some form of this is already featured in OnStar-equipped vehicles though the electromagnetic signal used to disable the vehicle is beamed via satellite, and doesn't cripple the in-car computer, but rather puts it into a mode that allows police to easily catch and then stop the fleeing criminal."

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  1. help in police chases? by Tumbleweed · · Score: 5, Funny

    You bet - I'll be able to disable cop cars chasing me.

    I mean, _criminals_ will. Ahem.

    1. Re:help in police chases? by Tumbleweed · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Good, that'll put an end to assholes taking cell phones into the movies and on airplanes.

      And assholes with pacemakers.

    2. Re:help in police chases? by adolf · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Kinda. Ever use a handheld cell phone in a car? Chances are you have, and that it worked fine -- the signal goes right through the windows.

      Same with this concept. Sure, the car's fidgety electronic bits are wrapped securely inside of grounded aluminum boxes, gasketed and/or taped to keep out all manner of pollutants and/or RFI. But connected to these boxes are hundreds of feet of unshielded, untwisted wire, all of which will act as an antenna. Meanwhile, the car's body will tend to reflect any RF that makes it inside, so with all of the weird angles in use it's just an eventuality before some of it finds its way into a bundle of wires somewhere.

      So, it's obvious and foregone that it's possible to get some amount of RF into a car's electronics.

      The question is: How much does it take to make the car stop working? Since the current system apparently uses a room full of gear, I'd say the answer is "lots."

    3. Re:help in police chases? by TapeCutter · · Score: 5, Funny

      Good, that'll put an end to assholes taking cell phones into the movies and on airplanes.

      And assholes with pacemakers.

      Pacemakers are usually inserted into the chest cavity.

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    4. Re:help in police chases? by ehrichweiss · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Speaking as the owner of a 1983 Mercedes 300D turbo diesel, I would love to see the cop's face if they were to ever use such a thing on my car. You see, it has mechanical fuel injection and diesel doesn't rely on a spark so EMP will be useless in killing anything except my stereo. If the car is already running, you can remove the battery and have a completely dead alternator and it'll still run. I figured out a while back that in the event of a nuclear holocaust, I will be one of a handful of people with a running car... If I can get a manual transmission in it then I could even start it. Oh, and it weighs more than the cars today so the odds of running me off the road drop considerably as well...and it's built like a tank(I've been hit by 2 SUVs and have 1 spot of paint rubbed off and a dent shallower than a fingernail).

      Is this the new preferred car for gangstas?

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    5. Re:help in police chases? by Ogi_UnixNut · · Score: 4, Informative

      As far as I know, most car bodies are still metal, because there is nothing else as good for protecting occupants in a crash. Yes, most body panels of cars nowadays are fibreglass, etc... but I assure you, the firewall, base body and engine compartment is most likely still metal.

      If the EMP Gun is a worry for you, you could always layer an extra grounded wire mesh around your engine to reduce it's effect, or as an old school solution, have a mechanical ignition setup for redundancy. It wouldn't give you the same performance etc... from the engine, but it's better than not having a functioning engine at that point in time.

    6. Re:help in police chases? by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I would also be interested to know whether it is "stop working permanently" or "glitch and hang until power cycled" or "you'll need to pop the battery out, do some grounding voodoo, and generally futz around; but the circuitry is not permanently damaged".

      I would hope, from the perspective of safety-conscious design, that any complex electronic systems would have a watchdog system built in, so that any sneaky software bug or cosmic-rays-corrupting-the-ram incidents would only kick the system into a pathological state for a few moments before it was rebooted from ROM and back up and running. If that is in fact the case, you would pretty much need to kill the circuitry in order to stop the vehicle(I'm sure that, for particular designs, there would be clever voltage excursion attacks that could hang the system, watchdog and all, without killing it; but that is the sort of thing you do in your hacker lab, not with an EMP pulse). If you need to kill the circuitry then we are talking about some serious power and, very likely, substantial damage to any other electronics in the car, or in the vicinity. It'll probably be very popular to "accidentally" hit those annoying civilians who insist on videotaping police misconduct with such a device.

      If car engines can be taken offline with a pulse that simply glitches, rather than destroying, the electronics, that raises the unpleasant possibility that a software or hardware bug could do the same thing, or that a driver, once hit, could just toggle the ignition, assuming that there is still a physical switch somewhere in the loop, to bring the car back into a good state.

    7. Re:help in police chases? by drsmithy · · Score: 5, Funny

      Speaking as the owner of a 1983 Mercedes 300D turbo diesel [...]

      Maybe you missed the part where this is there to prevent _high speed_ chases ? ;)

    8. Re:help in police chases? by Kharny · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You don't really understand crumple zones then....

      Either you take the hit, or the car does.

      I prefer a broken car over a broken spine personally.

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    9. Re:help in police chases? by Nethead · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I've dealt with automobile RF from the other side, getting rid of the car's emissions. Anyone that has ever tried to deal with a HF ham radio in a car knows that getting rid of EMI (Electro Magnetic Interference) can be a bitch and a half. For reference on the steps that may be needed see http://k0bg.com/

      Oh, and if you have an old Ranger pick'em'up you just as well better plan to park it if you want to hear anything besides alternator whine and spark plug noise.

      73 de w7com

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    10. Re:help in police chases? by gad_zuki! · · Score: 5, Funny

      Dear Police, when you see a smarmy guy driving an 1980s Mercedes, please note your EMP weapon wont work so you'll need a sniper from SWAT to shoot him in the face. Thanks in advance.

      Sincerely,

      The Internet

    11. Re:help in police chases? by shadowbearer · · Score: 4, Interesting

      :-D Indeed. I met an old mechanic once about twenty years ago who used to use an AM radio to diagnose the ignition systems in the Ranger series pickups. He claimed he could tell whether it was firing correctly just by tuning to a certain band and listening. He was damned good at it, too.

      SB

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    12. Re:help in police chases? by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Informative

      You will never reach that speed anywhere but the salt flats. I have a 1982 300SD which is better in every way. They realistically top out just over 100. You can upgrade them with an intercooler and then you can turn up the turbo, but you're only going to make about 200 horses at best on MY engine (which is a more highly-tuned version of yours.) I don't know who told you that you could do 145 in that car, but they lied to you.

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    13. Re:help in police chases? by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Um, since many "high-speed chases" occur at night, one of the biggest problems would likely be the instant shutoff of the headlights. Can you say "high speed crash"? Sure. I knew you could.

      Really... the solution to most high-speed chases has been known for a long time, and that is: tell the police to fucking stop doing it.

      The vast majority of crimes that lead to these high-speed chases did not endanger lives in the first place... until, of course, the police started the chase. THEN they did. But it is usually just not necessary: the police have access to radios, helicopters, etc. to radio ahead and run these people down. It just takes longer.

    14. Re:help in police chases? by GameboyRMH · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "wow shut up" to a decent post modded +5 Insightful. Idiocracy has come to Slashdot.

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  2. I can't wait... by roc97007 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...until the criminals get hold of this. And they will. It would be too useful not to.

    I wonder if it works on helicopters also?

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  3. Onstar? by Yalius · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How the heck is this similar to the Onstar system? This uses a directed EMP to disrupt electronic engine control, Onstar uses a built-in remote kill switch. That's like saying shooting a lightbulb is the same as turning off the switch.

  4. OnStar not EMP by bughunter · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Um. The electromagnetic signal that can be sent from a satellite to an OnStar-equipped vehicle is certainly not any form of an electromagnetic pulse. It's a radio signal encoded with a command telling a microprocessor to disable power to the ignition.

    Who writes this mess?

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    1. Re:OnStar not EMP by Jeremi · · Score: 4, Funny

      Can't give up your guns, but giving up mobility is fine?

      That suggests the obvious compromise solution.... install OnStar (tm) on all guns. That way anyone can have a gun, but the government can shut down any guns that are being misused. Plus your gun can ask you if you are okay.

      There, I solved that problem, on to the next one :^)

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    2. Re:OnStar not EMP by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It is interesting, and unfortunate; but it fits with other observations.

      First, of course, is the fact that public understanding of technology and new developments is pretty weak. "DRM", is just barely creeping into popular consciousness, now that it is ubiquitous(every joe user has an ipod, uses DVDs, has an HDMI connection somewhere, or whatever). It isn't a huge surprise that public understanding of exactly what Onstar is capable of is pretty low. As far as I know, none of them are exactly secret(and, even if they were, doing a simple "worst case inference" from what is known would not be difficult. Cellular modem + connection to ECU = guilty of being a remote kill switch until conclusively proven innocent).

      Second, and somewhat related, is the fact that very many people, even people who concern themselves with weapons and resisting the state and so forth, don't do much thinking about things that fall outside of the scope of traditional "weapons". For instance, back in the Clinton administration, when strong crypto was considered a munition, and "Clipper" was being actively advanced, the NRA (as best I've been able to determine from publicly available stuff) didn't so much as issue a press release about the matter. That is pretty myopic. Recognisably modern crypto/cryptoanalysis has been a weapon of war since WWII, and practically contemporary digital crypto was at least filtering out by the time Vietnam rolled around. The fact that encrypted communications were a valuable weapon should have been abundantly obvious to anybody by the 90's. And it isn't like Clinton and the NRA were best buddies in any case, and yet, when the Clinton administration rolled out Clipper, the crypto equivalent of a gun that refuses to fire if any state agent is within 50 yards, they didn't even put out a quick "We support the EFF on this one" note.

      Third is the fact that potentially dangerous private-sector actions often get a pass, even if they clearly make the population more vulnerable to government power. If the feds came out and said "All vehicles from this day forth shall have remote kill switches and tracking devices, under penalty of law" a fair few people would flip their shit. Since, however, GM voluntarily installed them and there are (for the moment) cars that don't include them, any criticism will reliably be met with the slashdot-libertarian 101 "Well, you voluntarily purchased the vehicle, what could the problem possibly be?" no matter what attempts are made to make the "Yes, I realize that each individual transaction is theoretically voluntary. However, the percentage of vehicles that can be remotely tracked and shut down by the state has gone from 0 to X in just a few years, and that increase shows no sign of slowing. Doesn't that concern you?" argument.

      Fourth is the fact that Onstar is one of those things that can easily fall into the unpleasant blind spot of both stereotypical liberals and stereotypical conservatives. Stereotypically, "liberals" tend to suspect and fear the potential malfeasance of government and its agents(concern about police brutality, war crimes, state torture, due process, etc.); but they also want certain services and protections from the state(public education, gun control, etc.). "Conservatives", on the other hand, tend to suspect and fear the state(small government, anti-gun control, anti tax, etc.); but they are often very supportive of and deferential toward agents and symbols of state power("law and order", support of police, support of armed forces, see "due process" as a technicality that lets scum go free, "constitution is not a suicide pact", etc.). For the stereotypical liberal, Onstar's remote kill easily slots into a safety narrative "Prevents dangerous police chases and tragic accidents. Perhaps, in the future, it can prevent speeding!". For the stereotypical conservative, it slots into the tough on crime narrative "Track and recover stolen property, allows police to capture thieves and carjackers."

  5. Uh-oh... by Third+Position · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'm not sure I like the sound of this. Consider the lesson of the taser. Now that the cops have a weapon that doesn't kill or maim, they've gotten increasingly slap-happy about using it. Cops were at least cautious about using firearms, least they have to defend themselves against using deadly force. But they're happy to pull out the taser at the drop of a hat.

    This may sound like a good idea, but I suspect the cops will be using this a lot more liberally than intended.

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  6. "I wonder if they'll test it on Pacemakers." by John+Hasler · · Score: 4, Informative

    Sure, but not intentionally. They'll also "test" it on parked vehicles, tv sets, computers, iPods, traffic light controllers, and anything else that happens to get into the "beam" as the cops treat it as a precise magic car-killer that affects only cars and only the ones they aim at.

    Eventually there will be an "underground" business in installing filters and shielding. It will become illegal to possess ferrite beads without a license.

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  7. This is an anti-robot weapon, not anti-car by gurps_npc · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Using it on a car sounds really REALLY stupid.

    1. It will kill the car, not merely create a carefully programmed disabling like the Onstar system. Most likely this leads to a car crash and quite likely require complete replacement of all electronics.

    2. As others stated, pacemakers, watches, cellphones, laptops, etc. will also be affected.

    3. This will get into the hands of criminals. I am quite frankly they don't already have it. Here are some of the things I think people might use it on:

    ATM's If there is a 1 in 100 chance of it malfunctioning and spitting out the money, then ATM's will be hit 100 times.

    Toll machines - obvious

    Red lights (and the cameras aimed at them).

    cop cars

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    1. Re:This is an anti-robot weapon, not anti-car by CodeBuster · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Nevermind the fact that this has "massive liability" (i.e. instant class action lawsuits) written all over it; especially for the manufacturer of the device (Eureka Aerospace). The car might as well be sent to the crusher after being hit with this device because it will effectively be a complete loss with damaged or destroyed electronics. No doubt the insurance companies, who will be forced to "total out" stolen vehicles hit with this device, will have a thing or two to say as well.

  8. What a great tool for robbery! by gti_guy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A focused EMP beam from a gun? What a great way to destroy video cameras & alarm systems! It sure would make robbery a LOT easier.

  9. Re:Before deployment by wizardforce · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Good point. The electrical leads used in a typical pacemaker may very well be vulnerable to such a pulse. If the EMP is powerful enough to fry the microprocessor in a car I'd bet that it is also powerful enough to at least temporarily disrupt the function of someone's pacemaker.

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  10. Re:Questions by John+Hasler · · Score: 4, Interesting

    > What happens when a person going 70mph suddenly loses control of their
    > vehicle?

    The run into somebody and kill them. Just like they do when being chased at high speed.

    > How accurate can that sort of gun be?

    It cannot be accurate at all, but the cops will become convinced that it is laser-like.

    > Over what sort of angle and distance is it will effective?

    The field will be blob-shaped, with slightly more range forward than back. It will only wreck cars at a fairly short range but will destroy unshielded electronic equipment (cellphones, 'Pods, laptops...) at a much greater range.

    > Is there a way to shield the car with a faraday cage to prevent this sort
    > of thing from happening? And if not, wouldn't this just mess up the police
    > cars?

    A bit of filtering and shielding will suffice, and the cop cars will get it. So will the vehicles of some criminals.

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  11. Oudin coil by tomhudson · · Score: 4, Informative

    build one of these

    Use a mile of copper wire for the inside windings, and several turns of flexible copper pipe for the outer ones. Not directional, but it WILL disable a lot of the nearby electronics while in operation.

    1. Re:Oudin coil by wagnerrp · · Score: 4, Informative

      Too expensive though; The price for that much copper would be astronomical.

      Nonsense. 1.5mi of high grade copper is as close as the nearest 1kft box of bulk CAT5.

  12. HOLY CRAP! by jeko · · Score: 4, Funny

    You mean I don't have to spend 100 bucks on bulbs, ammo and spackle every month?!

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  13. Re:If it's safer than hot pursuit, go for it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Now that engineers have successfully made technology invisible, all technology is equivalent. Notice that no one in the health care debate suggested controlling costs at the technology level, only at the "insurance/payout" stage. Technology is no longer suggested as an answer, only until a solution is available on the market (e.g., video conference in lieu of commuting is not a government or business priority).

    There are now two classes of people: those that don't get it, and the minority that do.

  14. This isn't new a new idea at all. by NimbleSquirrel · · Score: 5, Informative

    Eureka Aerospace can call it "HPEMS", but really it is just another HERF device, and it is certainly not a new thing. In fact you can buy kits from places like this and build your own.

    This is a High Energy Radio Frequency (HERF) gun not an EMP weapon, although the two are very similar in their final effects. EMP devices are omnidirectional and create a blanket pulse across a far larger portion of the EM spectrum. HERF affects a much smaller part of the spectrum, which allows the generating electronics to be tuned for higher efficiency and allowing the antennas to be directional. EMP devices are usually much higher power that fry the electronics, whereas HERF devices typically only cause disruption (requiring pulses to be sustained to prevent the normal function from restarting).

    It will shut down the engine computers of most modern cars, but cars with carburetors and mechanical based ignition systems (ie. distributors) and diesel engines without electronic injection will be unnafected. While this may affect most cars and trucks made since 1970, it does not include them all.

    To get to the power output that will stop a vehicle from distances usually seen in car chases would require a massive arrangement, capacitor bank, and a dedicated power supply to keep the HERF pulses sustained. This certainly will not be the kind of device that will be mounted on police cars any time soon.

    I have to also wonder how effective it would be in an actual car chase (assuming they could find as way of making it mobile). They would typically be shooting it at the rear of the car where the bodywork would act as shielding for the engine computer, and there is nothing to stop portions of the RF pulses reflecting off the metal bodywork and disabling chasing police cars.