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Russian Whistleblower Cop Arrested
Remember the Russian cop's YouTube narrative on police corruption? Reader Max_W writes with the news that Alexei Dymovsky, the cop whose videos started a movement, was arrested (Google translation; Russian original) on January 22, 2010. He is in prison in the south of Russia. Max_W adds: "It seems only a president is allowed to have a video blog in Russia."
USA has a law where citizens can only be detained for 24 hours without charges.
This can be useful in detaining people highly suspect of a crime, or in TV shows in increasing drama.
The UK has a law where citizens (usually brown ones with beards) can be detained for a month and a half without charge, usually in HMP Belmarsh.
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I give it 48 hours till he's found dead in his cell by apparent "suicide" by drowning himself in a pissbucket
In Soviet Russia whistle blows you!
http://michaelsmith.id.au
Bullshit. Mod parent way down. Parent is full of it.
The US Constitution permits people to be held on a probable cause determination made by a policeman for up to 48 (forty-eight) hours. After 48 hours there must be judicial review of probable cause or the defendant must be released from custody. That's the Riverside case.
A related provision requires the detained person to be charged within 72 hours of probable cause detention or released. That's the Gerstein case.
The U.S. Constitution sets a minimum standard. States can set standards that are MORE protective of individual rights than the U.S. Constitution, but they cannot go below the constitutional standard.
Seriously, was anyone really surprised? Mess with bad cops, and you'll come to a bad end. This is unfortunately true everywhere, including the United States.
And if that pesky little law is inconvenient, you label them an "enemy combatant" and it no longer applies! Great huh?
In Soviet Russia cops arrest you. oh wait.
Did he lessen the status of corrupt bosses or the supposed glory of the state. Frankly regardless of which nation does this sort of thing the truth is that human history is dark and wicked and anyone foolish enough to actually believe that any nation's history is glorious needs a mental health professional and a lot of appointments.
Fish in barrels around the world would probably disagree with you.
In present-day Soviet Russia there is still no real police. There is Militsiya !!!
Please. We should not merely talk and type about this tragedy. We should actually do something to help this victim of the Kremlin.
For example, we could start a fund for his legal defense and possible eventual escape from Russia to the West. For the sake of humanity, we must not allow the Kremlin to kill him. The Kremlin has already killed too many innocent people.
If this policeman dies mysteriously in prison, then I hope that someone -- anyone -- assassinates dictator Vladimir Putin.
The US Constitution doesn't say anything about an absolute minimum time before being charged. Feel free to look it up, it is not in there. Court cases and Congress have determined the minimum time, but all the US Constitution has to say is that you have the right to a speedy trial (6th Amendment), that Congress can't suspend habeas corpus except during a rebellion (Art I, Sect 9), and that your rights can't be suspended without due process (14th Amendment). How long a person can be detained before being charged depends entirely on how these provisions are interpreted.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/01/23/2799553.htm
Two unnamed US officials say 47 Guantanamo Bay detainees will be held in prison indefinitely, without charge.
They are reportedly too dangerous to be released, but cannot be tried either because the evidence against them is too flimsy or was extracted by coercion.
The outcome will dismay civil liberties groups who hoped US President Barack Obama would end the practice of detention without trial.
"The reality is that although they're talking about holding these 47 prisoners without charge or trial, the sad reality is they've been held for eight years without charge or trial," he said.
"So it's not as if they're going to be entering into any new arena, there's no new discussion or dialogue. The whole talk about the change has come to America was simply a lie."
The Presidential taskforce has recommended 35 of the 196 detainees left at Guantanamo Bay face prosecution.
While I do generally agree with your statement, this is something that really caught my eye
is remarkable proof that good people who think and act like Westerners still live in Russia.
possible eventual escape from Russia to the West. For the sake of humanity, we must not allow the Kremlin to kill him. The Kremlin has already killed too many innocent people.
Can I borrow your time machine back to cold war? Being someone who has actually lived in Russia and some time in the neighboring countries too, I don't see this "Western vs Russia" thing or rant about 'Kremlin'. People in Russia are extremely good people and friendly towards another human being. Even more than in western countries or my own country, where people usually are careless about each other. There is corruptness (sometimes bad too), but you do not change everything in a few days after fallen communism. It is getting there and this is another example about it.
But should you think "Westerners" as better persons for some reason? No. In fact, they're losing on that regard.
You are misinformed. He would be released without paying a penny in the US. In fact they would not arrest him until they were ready to arraign him since he is a police officer, and then he would be released on his own recognizance. Watch a few episodes of Law and Order some time. While it isn't wholly accurate, this part is certainly accurate.
In Springfield MA police officers who had been videotaped kicking a guy in the head were found not guilty. The judge ruled that they used "reasonable force" to subdue the subject.
So you are quite wrong on so many levels. This would definately not happen in the USA. Indeed, as I pointed out, we basically have the opposite problem here, where if you are a cop you can often quite literally get away with murder.
Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
If you haven't seen it already, watch this video.
The Largest Street Gang In America
I came from Portland, OR, which is sadly featured repeatedly in this short movie. I really wish someone could do some sort of satellite hack and force the entire country to watch this video, just once in their lifetime.
People really need to open their eyes and reevaluate what level of force police should be allowed to use against non-compliant persons. The most tragic cases highlighted in that video are those where police were engaging citizens who had broke no law.
You can't legislate goodness. Let each to his own destiny, by will of his freely made choices.
If you mess with the bear, you have to be prepared for the claws.
In most CIS countries the police are corrupt. They have to be to survive, as their official pay is between 50 to 200 USD per month. And you need about 500 USD, so do the math... And you can see the picture.... Now if you also count the men in uniform who own cars that cost upwards of 6 figures "While making 200$"..
Or this guy:
http://tap-the-talent.blogspot.com/2008/12/judge-who-borrowedharvested-2mhr-2m.html
Got the money via an OIU...
In these systems the only people that are caught are the ones that are disliked by their higher ups, or the ones that turn out to be in the wrong time in the wrong place and then used as examples to others on the inside, as for the press-release the police will say "We are fighting the corruption..."
Russia, Iran, China, all great examples of what happens when the people get their own way. Some clever bastard comes along and dupes them.
Russia: you overthrew your terrible govt, you had some semblance of democracy, now you have Putin.
Iran: You had democracy, you had the shah, you overthrew the shah, then you voted for a dictatorship again. Good job.
China: you had a civil war, multiple citizens based movements, you ended up with a shitty one. At least you let it happen right?
Out of all 3 China probably had the least chance at democracy out of the bunch.
What did we learn? That proles are stupid and you can't give someone a democracy until the limitations on the govt are understood and clear.
The Dymovsky affair is more complicated than merely a whistle blower cop who had enough, went public, and is now being prosecuted. For starters in his videos his biggest complaints arent about the corruption in the Russian police, but about low pay, long hours, not enough vacation time and not getting overtime pay for overtime hours. Basically his rants aren't about the bad Russian cops but about the bad Russian government that doesnt pay its cops and Mr. Dymovsky in particular enough money. He also signals out his immediate bosses for special attention, but this is because his bosses were trying to get him fired for various things taking BEFORE he put anything on Youtube. Major Dymovsky had a habit of not coming into work for weeks at a time and there were numerous complaints about him basically alleging he himself was extorting various businesses for money before he put anything on Youtube.
Yulia Latynina who is easily the best credentialed opposition journalist in Russia has dismissed Dymovsky as a fraud on her radio show and in editorials. His complaint isnt with the system but with his own place in it -- he is no opponent of the Kremlin, but a guy who was trying to secure his own position.
His own ex-wife has called him mentally unbalanced. He had a messy divorce involving death threats and other assorted stories fit only for the tabloids. The core of the Russian opposition has attempted to distance itself from him which is why you wont find more than a single mention of his arrest on newsru.com. Kasparov's group is the only one that is still seemingly embracing Dymovsky, but that's no surprise as they are the most discredited of the opposition movements in Russia.
The ability for a suspect to be released from jail depends on quite a lot of socioeconomic factors such as race, location and their ability to obtain legal representation. In most states, if you have a lawyer, you can obtain Release on own Recognizance pretty quickly if they don't plan on filing charges right away. This depends a lot on what you're suspected of doing.
As for holding people without charging them... terrorism laws have changed a lot of the governments power in this respect. Beyond even the 4th amendment and 5th amendment, the US government has shown a willingness to ignore the constitution and even international law altogether if they feel national security interests are at stake. The somewhat recent case of an extraordinary rendition of a Canadian citizen while on US soil to Syria poses significant opposition to commonly held beliefs about constitutional protection. After being tortured and returned to Canada, in 2007 he came back to the US to testify before congress about his experience and as far as I know, nothing has ever come of that hearing.
The Alien Terrorist Removal Provisions of the Omnibus Counterterrorism Act of 1995 allows for the FISA court to deport an alien suspected of terrorism based solely on classified evidence, to which the target cannot try to suppress evidence or intervene in any way including having representation at any hearings. Whether they are deported or not, they receive very little(if any) information about the proceedings or how any decision was reached. Oddly enough, after reading the entire bill, I could not find any reference anywhere describing where the persons can be deported to. In essence, our government formally legalized extraordinary rendition 15 years ago, although I doubt in many cases of extraordinary rendition that they follow the appropriate steps(however rudimentary they may be) through the FISA court. All they have to do is call it a deportation instead of rendition. And since the target cannot intervene in any proceedings of the process, they cannot suppress any evidence gathered via illegal means.
If anyone was hoping for "change", you didn't get it the way you thought you would. The Alien Terrorist Removal Provisions of this bill were sponsored by your very own Joe Biden. Clinton formulated the bill but it wasn't until the Oklahoma bombing that the political will to pass it existed.
So if you're a foreigner, in the US on a Visa, you can be held indefinitely or extradited to Syria or any other country willing to torture you on our behalf.
Either you're with us or you're against us. You have nothing to hide, right comrade?
You can't legislate goodness. Let each to his own destiny, by will of his freely made choices.
Ironically, he is accused of "fraud abusing the official position" i.e. corruption. The investigation has started after "an appeal of concerned citizen" in December 2009, a month later his video post. Now, he was sentenced under accusation of threatening witnesses and is held in PTDC.
Unfortunately, Dymovsky is pretty dumb. His speech is intermittent, unintelligent, with many errors (he is a cop after all). He admitted, that during a phone conversation (which was wire tapped) he said, that if he had been falsely sentenced he was going to avenge the investigator and the judge. But after admitting this, he said that he was just "testing if he had been eavesdropped and if Government was going to react". Well, it did, Einstein.
Mostly, that if your SlashID is c6gunner or something similar you are probably part of the problem and don't think that there is one ;-)
Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
You accept his apology ... for correctly pointing out that you're full of shit?
NOTHING on that page backs up the claims you've made. It doesn't speak about the right to detain suspects in Florida. It doesn't say anything about the "commonwealth". It says nothing about Miranda rights. And, lastly, it doesn't say a fucking thing about martial law.
If anything it shows that you're just making it up as you go along, since the measures mentioned in the article are much laxer than anything you spoke of, and none of it agrees with what you were claiming earlier. Either provide some evidence to back up your assertions, or be a man and admit that you're full of shit.
As an interesting side-note, although I know little about Hurricane Frances, I do know that Martial Law was NOT declared in Florida, or anywhere else. The only people who claim that it happened are the far-right lunatics over at prison-planet. This is what happens when you get all your information from Alex Jones.
Actually, if you fail to reveal a password to storage that may or may not contain information (except the government may decide to believe there is some) then you can go to jail for a very long time even without any charge.
Phillip.
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No. That is what I have been saying. At the time I got arrested it was more than four days after the hurricane. All the lights worked, including streetlights. They were letting many cars pass, but I believe they pulled me over because I had an out of state plate (no extermely uncommon if that part of FL.) They were letting people go if they were coming back from the football game, but a women who went out for diapers got arrested. It was mayhem, but not because of the storm, which subsided days earlier. (Bear in mind that the link is to an official government website. Obviously they don't have any incriminating details)
Again, when they cuffed me I told them I would not answer any questions, and that I wanted to invoke my right to an attorney at which point one of the six cops present told me I didn't have Miranda rights because I was in Florida. The public defenders office intially refused to represent me, telling me that I did not have a right to lawyer as no charges had been filed. I finally told them I was being held illegaly and they reluctantly gave in, but I continued to be held for 33 days, at which point they let me go, still with no charges even filed!
Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
I bet if those Sprinfield MA police officers were videotaped accusing their superiors of corruption they would not get off so easily. Nor is he being persecuted for abuse of his power against common people.
Oddly enough, anytime you piss off your superior, you are likely to suffer for it -- police officer or not, America or Russia.
Dymovsky was detained for making threats against the investigators, as they say. There's a criminal case opened against him, they suppose he stole 1,000 USD of governmental money while serving as a cop. Whether he did it or not, it's nothing too serious to be concerned much about him. Read in Russian: http://lenta.ru/news/2010/01/22/appregend/ Given the broad Russian fan-club of Dymovsky, no wonder the story appeared at SlashDot.