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Why the IRS Should Automatically Fill In Returns With What It Knows

theodp writes "An article in the NY Times begins, 'In the digital age, filing income tax returns should be a snap. Important data from employers and financial institutions has already been sent to government computers. Yet taxpayers are still required to perform the chore of preparing a return from scratch, in many cases paying a software company for the privilege.' Why, if your needs are simple, can't you just download forms pre-filled with whatever data the IRS has received about you, make any necessary adjustments, and automatically get the IRS calculation of your taxes? Sounds reasonable, but the IRS rejected the President's proposal to give taxpayers the option to do so as 'not feasible at this time' due to delays in the receipt of W-2 and 1099 data. However, California managed to offer a pre-filled state tax return, which cost only 34 cents to process compared to $2.59 to process a traditional paper return. Despite the success of the pilot, meager funds have been allotted for the program due to the strength of its political opponents — 'principally, Intuit' — according to the state controller. Intuit argues it would be a 'conflict of interest for government to be both tax collector and tax preparer.'"

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  1. This is how it's done where I'm from... by Louai · · Score: 5, Informative

    In Finland you get a pre-filled tax sheet in the mail, you only have to return it if there are any changes you need to make. I'm currently living in the US, I find the amount of crap you need to go through to get your affairs in order absolutely stunning.

    1. Re:This is how it's done where I'm from... by hitmark · · Score: 5, Interesting

      thats quite a reminder that USA is a collection of nations internally while a single nation outwards...

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    2. Re:This is how it's done where I'm from... by danpat · · Score: 5, Interesting
      I had the same problem when I worked in 3 different countries in the space of 18 months. What made it even worse was that each required you declare your "overseas income" for their tax year, and none of the three countries had tax years that lined up (some when from July->June, some when from October->September, the other, Jan->December). And on top of that, there were tax treaties between each that allowed for special rates for certain types of income. You'd get totally screwed if you didn't take advantage of the treaties, but it also required reading said treaties. Fortunately, many tax treaties are structured the same otherwise it'd be damn near impossible.

      I couldn't find a tax professional prepared to help out either. Most accountants like to keep things within their own borders.

    3. Re:This is how it's done where I'm from... by c-reus · · Score: 5, Informative

      In Estonia, you log in to the web page of the IRS equivalent, click "Next" a few times, then click "Confirm" and you're all done. No dead trees involved.

  2. Conflict? by mapinguari · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Intuit would probably argue that it's a conflict of interest to be both a tax payer and tax preparer.

  3. works fine in Sweden by BuR4N · · Score: 5, Informative

    pre-filled tax forms that you only have to sign and return have worked well here in Sweden for years, no conflict of interest at all. A couple of years ago, they even started with an SMS option, where you just can "ok" your pre filled tax form with an SMS code.

    If you want to add information, you can just fill in your own form and send it in, but I think its pretty common to just use the pre-filled tax form.

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    1. Re:works fine in Sweden by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      You know, when I was reading your post, I thought Sweden, eh? Wavy line... wavy lines...

      Knocking at the door. Swedish male citizen goes and answers it.

      Beautiful blond is at the door. (Translated to American)"Hi, I'm with the Revenue Service and I have your tax form. Do you want to have sex before or after reviewing your tax form?"

      Swedish make citizen: "Um. Let me ask my wife. Honey, should I have sex with the tax collector before or after reviewing the form?"

      Beautiful blond Swedish wife walks in: "Listen YOU! We filed jointly so it HAS to be a threesome before AND after reviewing the form!"

      Tax collector: "That's IS the law! File jointly and it's a threesome! I'm terribly sorry!"

      So this is the way it happens over there, right? Really?!?

    2. Re:works fine in Sweden by nanoakron · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Whilst I don't live in Sweden (I'm in the UK), I have to ask quite what your point is?

      The Swedes may pay more in taxes, but in return get free healthcare, good roads, low crime, free schooling and university, (i believe) free (or heavily subsidised) childcare, efficient public transport, and much more.

      They're also very highly rated in terms of their low wealth disparity (road fines for example are based on a percentage of your annual income so that a rockstar in a ferrari feels the same sting in their speeding ticket as does a poor person in a skoda), and human development index.

      I could go on. The key point is that nations all make decisions about their priorities - the US believes in waging war and keeping the poor unhealthy and uneducated, other nations do not.

      tl;dr - high taxes are worth paying if you get good services in return. Think of Sweden as the 'Apple' of nations, versus the 'Windows Me' of the USA.

    3. Re:works fine in Sweden by mikael_j · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Which means that healthy people...

      Yeah, because you just know you'll never get cancer or get hit by a car. Or maybe you've got some special ability to plan this not to happen right after you got laid off from a job?

      ...who don't drive much...

      Taxes also pay for other pieces of infrastructure including bicycle paths and subsidies for public transport.

      ...and are long-ago graduates...

      "Hey! I got my free cake courtesy of my parents' generation, now why should I pay for the next generation's free cake?!"

      ...with no children...

      Ok, you may have a point here, were it not for a concept known as "solidarity" (look it up, the word is in practically every dictionary).

      ...pay to support people who want to freeload off the government.

      Most people who are receiving more money than they're contributing tend to feel pretty bad about this but most of the time it's also not as easy as "oh well I guess I'll stop having cancer/being paralyzed/being unemployed and start paying more taxes!". The current swedish government did some amazing arithmetics prior to the last election and claimed over and over and over again that the reason unemployment was so high wasn't because there weren't enough jobs but because those who were unemployed simply weren't looking for jobs hard enough, naturally they ignored people pointing out that all available numbers showed that for every available job there were something like 4-5 unemployed people, kind of hard to get rid of unemployment just by "trying harder to get a job" under those circumstances...

      /Mikael

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  4. We've had that for years in Norway by TickTEC · · Score: 5, Informative

    Here in Norway, if you feel you have nothing to add, you don't even have to return the papers. Just sit back and relax. I've never had to fill out anything.

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  5. Re:people are lazy by samkass · · Score: 5, Informative

    the government will claim this or that, and people will just accept it. when an honest mistake by the government, nevermind malicious intent, might wind up overtaxing someone. most people will wind up spending say $2,000 more on their taxes, accepting the government's proposal unseen, rather than reviewing it for mistakes

    I don't have a problem with that. You can't save everyone. The amount of efficiency in the average case would be so great, though, that overall I suspect it would offer more money to both the government AND the taxpayer.

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  6. Re:Why they shouldn't.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Dear Mrs David Rosboro

    Our records show that none of your 27 children are currently in school. We can only assume that you are violating child employment laws or have
    eaten them. We will be performing an inspection on the 29th Jan to verify the health and status of your children.

  7. It will increase correctly filed taxes for most! by JakFrost · · Score: 5, Interesting

    You forget that you take responsibility for what is on the form, even if it is pre-filled the moment you sign it. There's nothing stopping the government from sending you a blank or zero form and you'll just sign it and send it in thinking that you won't get prosecuted for the offshore tax haven account that you have. They'll still go after you no matter what.

    Less Fraud, More Correct Taxes

    There will be no increase of fraud due to this but I predict that most people will actually send their taxes in quicker and more of them will be more correct than the current numbers. We already have the IRS eFile system to let you do the web form part but they are all blank. It would be nice if they were pre-filled in with your information already. You'll just glance at it, take your Standard Deduction instead of Itemized Deduction for most people, type in your bank account or credit card number to pay or receive payment. You wouldn't have to look for or dig out those W2 or 1099 forms trying to figure out all the income.

    Special Interests At Work

    The simple point is that in the United States the government is run by "special interest" groups. The founding fathers, especially Thomas Jefferson and James Madison warned us about the dire effects that special interest groups will have on the government if they are allowed to mass their money and influence the rule of the country. It's all in their speeches that we all should have been forced to read in elementary and high school history and civics courses. America's educational failure.

    Now what do we have, a special interest part such as Intuit who is responsible for the Turbo Tax software and their electronic filing service trying to prevent the government from offering a pre-filled tax form service to the people. Just imagine how quickly Intuit would change its mind if the government approached them and told them that they would be the sole company responsible for getting people's taxes filed and I can guarantee that the first year you'll be presented with almost completed and pre-filled forms once your type in your Tax ID number.

    Educational Gaming

    We need a multi-genra massively multi-player video game where at first you play a First Person Shooter with friends as a team of The Founding Fathers and you first kick the British out of the colonies, then it switches to Real Time Strategy game where you maneuver the troops during the colonial war, and later it switches to a Civilization type diplomatic game where you negotiate terms of the new constitution and treaties with European countries. It'd be a nice way to have kids experience a modern way of what the history taught us. Sprinkle in a good load of historic facts in the game and you'll have kids arguing their view points because of the game.