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NZ School Goes Open Source Amid Microsoft Mandate

Dan Jones writes "Kiwis have built an entire school IT system out of open source software, in less than two months, despite a deal between the New Zealand government and Microsoft that effectively mandates the use of Microsoft products in the country's schools. Albany Senior High School in the northern suburbs of Auckland has been running an entirely open source infrastructure since it opened in 2009. It's using a range of applications like OpenOffice, Moodle for education content, Mahara for student portfolios, and Koha for the library catalogue. Ubuntu Linux is on the desktop and Mandriva provides the server. Interestingly, the school will move into new purpose-built premises this year, which include a dedicated server room design based on standard New Zealand school requirements, including four racks each capable of holding 48 servers for its main systems. The main infrastructure at Albany Senior High only requires four servers, suggesting an almost 50-fold saving on hardware requirements."

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  1. Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    There is no mandate for NZ schools to use Microsoft software. There is a collective agreement (one of many agreements, including one with Apple), and the schools have always been able to choose the software they want.

    Standard slashdot bias and hype. FUD FUD FUD

    1. Re:Huh? by wizardforce · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The contract stipulates that Microsoft gets paid regardless of whether schools actually use their software. So while the schools may not be forced through contract to use MS software, it doesn't matter to Microsoft as they still get paid for non-existent software.

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    2. Re:Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Perpetuating the use of MS products is better for MS than switching to alternatives. Pirating a few copies of Windows/Office is a papercut to the beast. Your use of Linux (and related software) is the only hope of slaying the beast.

    3. Re:Huh? by advocate_one · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The contract stipulates that Microsoft gets paid regardless of whether schools actually use their software. So while the schools may not be forced through contract to use MS software, it doesn't matter to Microsoft as they still get paid for non-existent software.

      which leaves those administrators who decided to use open source software vulnerable to claims of wasting valuable resources implementing other solutions when "Industry Standard" microsoft software has already been paid for

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    4. Re:Huh? by raju1kabir · · Score: 4, Funny

      Gladiators were taught to fight with heavy wooden swords so that the real sword would be easier to handle. Surely it is better to give students crippled operating systems such as Vista so that their introduction to real world technology is a pleasant one? Rather than go the other way around?

      Starting the students on Vista is more like training gladiators with swords made out of aluminum foil.

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    5. Re:Huh? by ozmanjusri · · Score: 5, Insightful
      which leaves those administrators who decided to use open source software vulnerable to claims of wasting valuable resources implementing other solutions

      According to TFA, they saved money despite paying for the unused MS licenses.

      "The brilliance of Microsoft's business model is they get the same amount of money regardless of who uses it," Osborne said. However, the school has saved significantly in other areas,

      I also like the fact that the whole system was planned and implemented in less than two months. Sort of gives the lie to the whole "Linux is difficult" thing.

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  2. 50-fold savings? by PCM2 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The school only has 230 students. I have a hard time believing they'd need 192 servers whether they used Linux or not.

    And BTW, as long as you're standing on my lawn, may I remind you that my own high school's expenditure on servers was exactly zero? How's that for savings?

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    1. Re:50-fold savings? by club · · Score: 5, Funny

      The school only has 230 students. I have a hard time believing they'd need 192 servers whether they used Linux or not.

      Here in NZ, we're so technologically advanced that we're skipping laptops and going straight to "one server per child".

    2. Re:50-fold savings? by Arancaytar · · Score: 4, Funny

      The school only has 230 students. I have a hard time believing they'd need 192 servers

      Ah, you've never used NT. :)

    3. Re:50-fold savings? by tsm_sf · · Score: 4, Funny

      Does anyone on /. Work in networking any more?

      The majority of /.ers are now young republicans (sorry, libertarians)in their first year of college, studying debate/rhetoric 101 and javascript. They've also just discovered ayn raynynnd. Still fat and greasy though, so at least we're keeping to some of our roots.

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    4. Re:50-fold savings? by GNUALMAFUERTE · · Score: 5, Informative

      Agreed. I don't know how big their network is, but I expect at least:

      8 Us for Switch
      8 Us of Patch pannels for Ethernet.
      8 Us for PBX patch pannels
      8 Us for the actual PBX + Accesories (Eg. ATAs, GSM -> SIP GWs, etc).
      10 Us for UPS
      6 Us for Audio system.
      8 Us for Servers
      4 Us for routers
      20 Us for DIsplay/keyboard (2 Displays/kb on 2 different Racks)
      10 Us for Power strips (across all racks)

      And I'm missing a lot of things, probably.

      That is 90 Us.

      Off course, the first 10 or so Units in a Rack are rarely used, since they are not comfortable. If you add some space between equipments (It's good practice, also, many systems are not rackable, and they take up more space). That can take you to, let's say, 120 Us. Plus, some room for expansion.

      4 Racks seems like a good setup to me.

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    5. Re:50-fold savings? by slyall · · Score: 5, Informative

      1. The school is projected to grow to 1500 pupils over the next few years

      2. The server room thing was the standard said they needed 8 racks of servers, instead they just needed 4 servers taking up less than half a rack.

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  3. You did it the hard way by Old+Man+Kensey · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There's an easier way to create folder shortcuts on the desktop, which doesn't involve typing text paths: Right-click on the folder you want a shortcut to. Click "Make link". Drag the link to the desktop. Rename it if desired.

    I'm not sure if the lack of "all users"-type functionality is a deficiency in Ubuntu, or an annoyance in Windows. For a single-user desktop, "All Users" is completely unnecessary, and on multi-user desktops I've more often seen it lead to annoyances than actually be useful. Google Chrome's Windows installer actually installs the program to the user desktop only by default, which will become more common as UAC-type enforcement on the Windows desktop becomes more common.

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  4. Re:Not There Yet by whoever57 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Your argument is that because Linux is not like Windows, it will never supplant it. But, a copy of Windows will never be as good at being Windows-like than Windows itself, so attempting to mimic Windows is a losing strategy.

    IMHO there are many ways in which Linux is better than Windows. I am able to work much faster under Linux than I can do under Windows and I find doing almost anything under Windows an exercise in frustration.

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  5. You're doing it wrong. by a0schweitzer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The idea behind Ubuntu (and desktop linux in general), is that it is a multi-user OS. Multi-user in the sense that the administrator determines what a user can do, and the user can do anything they want within these limits. There is no need for easily accessible multi-user desktop-shortcuts, because each user should be allowed to set up their own desktop the way they want it. You just have to shift the way you think about your desktop environment a little bit.

  6. Re:FTA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's called a 'loss leader'.... the kids produced by this system will not know that there are alternatives and be on the hook for full priced retail software for life... so yes, it's a very good deal... for MS.

  7. One glass typewriter is like another by dbIII · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If they can't work out how to use MS Word in five minutes when they are used to openoffice then they really won't be trying.
    Most of this stuff is so similar that it doesn't matter. When you get down to mail merges or other stuff just about every company does it differently on the same platform so they'll have to learn it anyway.
    True, if they are setting up computer systems they'll be at a disadvantage - you have to know the Microsoft platform to understand that you choose "local printer" when you want to connect directly to a printer on the network (and a thousand other quirks).
    By the way, I've heard EXACTLY this argument before about why schools should be full of Apple computers. It really has very little merit. If you are talking about a single semester technical college course it has merit, but for general situations it doesn't.
    In a ten year time scale we went from MSDOS to XP in business desktop computing. There is no point at all in directly targeting a specific business desktop environment in the early and middle years of school and not much in the late years.

  8. Sell Data Center Servcies by ittanmomen · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I suppose what the article means is that there are 4 x 48U racks installed in the server room. It is fiction that each rack could actually loaded with 48 x 1U servers! Potential problems are: cooling, weight, air (fire hazard), power supply.

    Most likely actual rack usage looks as follows:

    - Rack with 5 Servers
    - Rack for Patching and switches
    - Rack for phone system / phone patches
    - Rack for backup.

    If they have remaining capacity, they could rent it out/sell to other community organisations.

  9. Not a matter of cost by Casandro · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Today it's just sensible to use open source.Not only does it cause far fewer headaches, it also enables children to learn more about the technology.
    It's much easier for interested children to expand their knowledge. For example if they want to learn about TCP/IP, they can just use netcat, and then later maybe wireshark.
    Others might learn about programming by using shell scripts.

    Over time you will have many people in lots of different jobs knowing a bit about computers. This will lead to departments having one or two persons with such experience. The knowledge of those people will then slowly diffuse in the department and cause higher efficiency.

  10. Watch out for the video by mcbridematt · · Score: 4, Informative

    Watch out for the video release of the presentation, including the deputy principal of the school who was there and did a bit of acting :)

    Presentation details

    I hear the videos will be out in just over a week

    The way they do filtering with NuFW is interesting - it can authorize outgoing connections based on the _application_ that is trying to create the connection, by calling back to a PAM module on the client machine. And there are rulesets depending on the logged in user group. Beats forcing everyone to use proxies.

    And to clear up, by 'standard server space' they mean 4 x 12RU, they only needed to use one 12RU rack.

  11. Re:congrats. by Casandro · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yay! By that logic most people would fail in the real world of business.
    You know when I went to school, we had a real world business system from Microsoft. We had Microsoft Works for Xenix and Microsoft Works for DOS. State of the art systems as Microsoft surely called them back then.

    It's no use teaching children about feature 5432 of version 54.22.154.12.b of some software product as it will disappear or be made obsolete by some other function in the next version, often by the time the teacher actually gets ot teach what he has learnt.

    What does matter is teaching what those programs are about. What is a word processor? What are the typical features of such a piece of software? It doesn't matter if you teach that with Microsoft Word 95 or Open Office, in fact Open Office has the advantage of being available to the children.

    No matter what software product you will use as an example, by the time the children start working, it will be long obsolete.

  12. Windows has some _really_ big no-nos by Casandro · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There is one _big_ minefield with Windows, and that is software distribution. How on earth can a non-geek ever find out if a software package he downloads is legit or a piece of malware? This is probably the single biggest worry about amateurs using windows systems. (to some extend the problem is the same with the Mac)

    Most Linux distributions solve that by having a package manager. I can safely tell a person to search for software in there and be assured that the chance they download malware is very slim.

    As long as Microsoft refuses to address this problem and make all files downloaded instantly executable, I just cannot recommend Windows to the average user.

  13. Re:FTA by WeirdJohn · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The catch in Queensland is that unless you are using the MOI (mandated operating interface) you are screwed. Using Firefox? Sorry, can't help you. OO.org? Same thing. Not Outlook? Then it's your fault you have an email issue. Does AVG show a virus? Not a mandated scanner, so you are NOT infected. Try using squeak in the classroom, and you get slapped. Don't use linux, or cygwin etc. In fact any non-approved software can (and often will) be deleted if your laptop is dropped into Information Services, as your problem is put down to "non-mandated software" as the 1st option.

    This clearly makes support simpler, but can make teaching more challenging, especially if you want the kids to use computers as tools for thinking, and not just document management systems.

  14. Re:FTA by thoughtfulbloke · · Score: 5, Interesting

    And you would be exactly correct. To provide some added context, when the government was negotiating the 2007-2009 volume licence period, it was not economical to get a full New Zealand wide licence for schools for Microsoft Office for the Macintosh so that part of the licence was dropped. The recommendation was to substitute iWork (via an NZ wide licence negotiated via Apple) or Open Office (or buy individual MS for Mac licences). The Ministry of Education works out how many copies are in use, and if it is worth a nation-wide site licence.
    Keep in mind that, in New Zealand, the software that is used in schools will ultimately be paid for by the Ministry of Education either through a general licences or as part of the budgets devolved to schools, so it is in the Ministries interest to minimise the overall cost.
    And, as a semi-aside New Zealand has been the least corrupt country on Transparency International's index pretty much every year since 2003 (some years were ties with Denmark), and the volume licence was an example of the Government serving the needs of individual schools well (who were going to use MS stuff anyway), rather than a corrupt deal.

  15. Re:Naming by micheas · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Moodle, Mahara, Koha, Ubuntu, Mandriva

    Is the weirdology in software naming caused by the lack of available domain names or something? Just asking...

    Trademark law.

    Try finding a name that is available in 150 countries. The first one that you don't hate is the one to go with.

  16. No lock-in... by Bert64 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is a new school, one that was not previously locked in to any proprietary setup... They were able to start with a clean slate and do things properly.

    Incidentally, how big or inefficient is the average school in new zealand if they require 48 servers? Just what exactly would all those servers do?

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  17. here's a solution for everyone by md65536 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Windows 8 to Feature Fully Virtual Monopoly

    "We already have some schools switching to other operating systems. This new version of Windows will allow them to do that while still claiming to be 'Windows only.' "

    fully sarcastic blog entry here.

  18. Re:Naming by kinko · · Score: 4, Informative

    "Koha" is a Maori word meaning gift/donation. The Maori are the indigenous people of New Zealand, so it's a pretty appropriate name for a FOSS library catalogue system written in NZ for anyone to use freely :)

    PS Slashdot ate my "a macron" character - "Maori" should have a "-" over the "a".

  19. Re:Mandelbulb porn sighted! by Hurricane78 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You write that as if it was normal, to assume that schools exist to teach children knowledge and make them intelligent.

    School is a direct advancement from what Otto von Bismarck wanted:
    Something like military service, but for children. To form them into what were the ideas back then:
    To obey, to sit still and listen, to train things over and over again, to learn them by heart, etc.
    Not to come up with free thoughts, ideas, and creativity. Because those would have created people who would want to lead themselves, not to blindly follow.

    This was always the goal. And the idea that it could be something else, is a relatively new concept, that some dreamed about, but that still is very far from becoming real.

    School is simply not what you should look at, if you want to educate your children to become creatives and leaders.
    Even 4chan is better at free thought and creativity, than any school.

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  20. Rubbish! by sensationull · · Score: 5, Informative

    Rubbish I work in a NZ school as an IT admin and schools have to sign up each three years (was each year). Only these schools are included in the deal and they have to activly sign up to it. This is the usual Slashdot FUD, if they don't sign up then the school is not included in the agreement and the government pays nothing. There are simmilar deals as stated above with Apple and even at one point a major linux distribution/support provider. As far as I can tell this deal is no longer open to new schools but is still maintained for those that did sign up.

    1. Re:Rubbish! by sensationull · · Score: 4, Funny

      Ah, yes, and of course the grammer and spelling of my speedy typing invalidated my point completely. Just what I would expect from an Australian.

  21. Re:Mandelbulb porn sighted! by hey! · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Really?

    The "peripatetics" we so named because Aristotle taught his students by strolling around and chatting.

    The "stoics" were named for the *stoa* or marketplace, bucause that's where they used to shoot the shit.

    The "cynics" used to lurk under bridges, from whence they could hop out and intellectually ambush the unwary traveler (making them the first *trolls*).

    The one thing you'd never see in ancient Greece is a group of students sitting in a rectangular grid of seats all doing identical work in parallel. That would have been seen as very strange indeed. Now we can't lay this entirely at Bismarck's feet, because it goes back further, to the need to impart Latin grammar to large number of aspiring but not too wealthy students (thus the "grammar school"). You wouldn't teach a gentleman that way, he'd have a tutor.

    This class distinction remains in education today. Look at a top tier "prep" school that cater to the economic elite of this country, and you'll see a model which (unlike the standard classroom) would have made sense to the Greeks: a small number of students, maybe half a dozen, sitting around a table and having a discussion with a professor. That's because the results really matter; the aim is to produce an elite class. The method used to train our elite could be done walking around, or hanging around the marketplace, although lurking under bridges. They're supposed to be able think for themselves, but only within certain confines (i.e. not questioning the existence of an elite).

    I'll go back under my bridge now.

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