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NASA Tests All-Composite Prototype Crew Module

coondoggie writes "With an eye toward building safer, lighter and tougher spacecraft, NASA said today its prototype space crew module made up of composite materials handled tests simulating structural stresses of launch and atmospheric reentry. The idea behind NASA's Composite Crew Module project is to test new structural materials for possible future NASA spacecraft. According to NASA, composite materials are being looked at because they are stiff and lightweight and can be formed into complex shapes that may be more structurally efficient. In space travel, where every additional pound of weight drives costs higher, any weight savings provides increased payload capacity and potentially reduces mission expense."

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  1. SMACK! by Sooner+Boomer · · Score: 3, Interesting

    My only concern is how well the honeycomb material handles impacts (everything from birds to micrometeorites...). My experience is that composites have a very narrow elastic region in the stress-strain curve, then they snap. Also they tend to be brittle rather than bendable, causing them to shatter under impact. But I'm sure NASA knows what they're doing...

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    1. Re:SMACK! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      What you describe are properties of ceramics. There's a reason composites are used and that is to overcome inherent weaknesses that a material alone would have. The brittleness in ceramics are the reason they are coupled with polymer/metals to improve ductility and fracture toughness, but ceramics have a higher strength/weight than metals and polymers depending on the application.

      Just FYI, wood is a very good composite material. It comes in strength, lower ductility versions (something like oak/maple) as well as higher ductility, but lower strength (balsa comes to mind) as well. The idea is to know what you need, and find the combination to fill the niche.

    2. Re:SMACK! by DerekLyons · · Score: 2, Informative

      My only concern is how well the honeycomb material handles impacts (everything from birds to micrometeorites...).

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      But I'm sure NASA knows what they're doing...

      Since NASA has been flying honeycomb as structural material since the 60's, I'm pretty sure they do. Among other things, the skin of the SLA (the Saturn Launch Adapter, the conical 'garage' between a Saturn Ib or V booster and the Apollo CSM) was structural honeycomb.

  2. Taking notes from the bicycle industry by ElSupreme · · Score: 4, Informative

    I am (or was before I got lazy) and avid Cyclist. And well the materials used in the bicycle industry are basically the high tech materials that are starting to be put into the aerospace industyr (due to safety and devolpment periods bikes tend to put out new materials first).

    When Carbon Fibre started to become omnipresent in road cycling it was only sparing used in mountain biking. This was due to precieved, and real, issues dealing with durability. Rocks and branches hitting Carbon Fibre frames and causing small failures that normal use would increase and cause catastropic failure. But now carbon is everywhere because design and testing have overcome these problems, and the aerospace industry, with actual and good engineers will be able to do the same.

    Granted not everything will be composite. There are lots of things that are done better by Aluminum, or steel, or titanium. But for large, odd shaped structural pieced carbon fibre can't be beat. This is a good thing, so long as NASA doesn't go Carbon Crazy like the bike industry. You can almost buy a 100% Carbon Fibre bike, gears, cables, everything.

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    1. Re:Taking notes from the bicycle industry by LWATCDR · · Score: 2, Informative

      I think you will find that the Aerospace industry used those materials before the bike makers did.
      Ti? SR-71, F-4, F-111, and F-14 all used a good amount of it and I believe it was used in jet engines before that. For the F-4 you are talking about the late 1950s.
      Carbon Fiber? I think the F-15 used it for it's airbrake or it may have been Boron back in the late 1960s early 1970s.
      Yes large composite structures are just now making it into airliners but that is normal.
      In Aerospace you try out new stuff
      First in drones and missiles. If they fail in testing ... well they almost always fail in testing but nobody gets killed.
      Second in high performance military aircraft. High cost is not a big issue and if they break in flight you have the hope that nobody will get killed. If someone does get killed you may get a small story on the news.
      Third is on airliners and military transports. If they fail you make headline news and stay on the news for days..... and face a lot of time in court.
      Finally you use it on manned space flight. If that fails nobody ever forgets, you are on the news for weeks, the president makes speeches, and you will end up in front of congress and in the courts.

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  3. Re:It still boggles my mind... by TheLink · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What also boggles me is they threw away a lot of the stuff - including data they got from the lunar missions.

    A lot of the expertise has been lost. People have retired, the factories that built the parts (e.g. those huge Saturn V engines) may no longer exist.

    Once you lose the expertise and infrastructure, it costs a lot to rebuild it.

    Imagine if we were all nuked into the stone age and only crawled out of the bunkers 5-10 years later. Getting back to the state of fabricating 3GHz x86 chips would take a long time and lots of investment.

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  4. Re:It still boggles my mind... by khallow · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What boggles my mind? All of this effort in materials technology, to build a glorified Apollo capsule - c. 1967.

    My view is that this is the best part of the Constellation program. The space capsule remains a great space vehicle design. The new ground that Orion breaks here is the use of modern materials and electronics systems. Down the road, I can see the manufacture of space capsules as being somewhere between an advanced bike and a modern car in complexity and cost.

  5. Great plan! by eln · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This is excellent news. In addition to making the spacecraft lightweight, carbon composites will render it completely invisible to DRADIS!

  6. Re:Ask Any Hockey Player by khallow · · Score: 3, Funny

    I guess we better not use this capsule in hockey games then.

  7. Better shielding by ral · · Score: 5, Informative

    Contrary to what you might think, hydrocarbons actually provide better shielding against cosmic rays than aluminum, which produces secondary radiation even more dangerous than cosmic rays. Here is an article from NASA that explains this in more detail.

  8. Re:It still boggles my mind... by LWATCDR · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Ever seen a light aircraft?
    They seem pretty fragile but can go 200 MPH.
    Take a look at a Pitts special sometime at an airshow. The will go more than 200 MPH in a dive and take enough Gs to flatten your eyeballs.
    They are covered in fabric.
    You make them just strong enough to take the loads but you protect them from unneeded loads unlike your car which has take your kid standing on the hood.

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  9. Distorted Image by necro81 · · Score: 2, Informative

    I don't know about everyone else, but the image that shows up in the Layer 8 blog has the crew module squashed down so that it appears shorter than it is wide. This is the result of image distortion. The actual NASA press release has the original image with its correct aspect ratio, along with a short video about the testing that shows some of the static rig and test equipment.