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Twitter Developing Technology To Thwart Censorship

SHMG writes "Micro-blogging site Twitter is developing technology that will prevent government censorship, after Iran and China moved to censor its users. Speaking at the World Economic Forum, Twitter CEO and co-founder Evan Williams said the company was working on 'hacks' to stop any blocking by foreign governments. 'We are partially blocked in China and other places and we were in Iran as well,' he said. 'The most productive way to fight that is not by trying to engage China and other governments whose very being is against what we are about.'"

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  1. In SOVIET RUSSIA... by LostCluster · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Whenever there was a coup attempt going on in the USSR, the first place to get invaded by supporters of the coup the was the broadcasters, and then they had to get to the newspaper before it published the next issue. If they win over the media, they were effectively in power. If the media reports there's a coup in progress, then that would scramble the defenders of the existing rulers and it would fail. If the media reports the coup was successful, then whoever was reported to be the leader effectively had power.

    This is why governments like Iran and China want to control all forms of communications. If people can organize in a way the government can't easily listen in on or censor, then the government is going to fail. As we have seen, a government doesn't need to be good at helping its people as long as its good at controlling them. Squash your opposing people, and you've got an easy time governing the rest.

    1. Re:In SOVIET RUSSIA... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I hear what you are saying, and it all makes sense... ... It just feels like, as of late, people are a lot more complacent when it comes to challenging the power of their government. This isn't just a U.S.A phenomenon, it feels like it is a worldwide issue.

      Maybe, however, I'm just not tapped into this decade's "resistance for freedom" movements. But, once upon a time, it felt like real individuals could set examples of government defiance and cause the waves of change to splash. A simple refusal to stand up from a bus seat. A brave individual facing down a tank. A monk giving his life in the most painful of ways to let people know what he is fighting for. A person calling their representatives non-stop on an issue that is important to them. Thousands of people marching to let their voices be heard. There are tons of examples. It just doesn't feel like people really care anymore.

      Oh well.

    2. Re:In SOVIET RUSSIA... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      woah woah woah woah....

      This is totally blowing my mind here. I'm very impressed with your post, and with the content. You even took it so far as to mask your message. But I've totally found it!

      It's so obvious, he sets the stage, but the second word after the first comma is a dead giveaway. Follow that up with the description of how you "stop" the media, which is a clever anagram...

      You almost got me!

    3. Re:In SOVIET RUSSIA... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Strange, I lived in USSR and I can not recall a single coup except of revolutions of 1905 and 1917. But those were in Russian Empire, not USSR. Are you inventing a history to support your point?

    4. Re:In SOVIET RUSSIA... by LostCluster · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You watched the censored media in the USSR. There were frequent reports of coup attempts in the 80s/90s in the form of attacks in attempt to take over the broadcasters reported on by the American media... you wouldn't have heard about it there, because the government controlled the media.

    5. Re:In SOVIET RUSSIA... by BadAnalogyGuy · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Aren't you implicitly trusting that the news you were presented by the American media during the Cold War wasn't designed to manipulate your opinions of the Soviet government?

      Consider how today's American media presents the Chinese government. Who is it actually being mind-controlled?

    6. Re:In SOVIET RUSSIA... by LostCluster · · Score: 4, Insightful

      American news is the best you can get in the world. Woodward and Bernstein were able to publish news so scandalous it forced Nixon to resign. Does any other government allow that?

    7. Re:In SOVIET RUSSIA... by BadAnalogyGuy · · Score: 4, Funny

      No, you're right. America is the Land of the Free(TM)! What was I thinking?

      USA! USA! USA!

    8. Re:In SOVIET RUSSIA... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      All european newspapers... And if you'd ever read any of them, you'd laugh at FOX news for the rest of your life...

    9. Re:In SOVIET RUSSIA... by grcumb · · Score: 3, Insightful

      American news is the best you can get in the world. Woodward and Bernstein were able to publish news so scandalous it forced Nixon to resign. Does any other government allow that?

      Uh, yeah:

      • Keith Murdoch (ironically, Rupert Murdoch's father) broke the story of the Gallipoli debacle. It was the first public sign that WWI was anything other than a noble fight without terrible consequences.
      • E. D. Morel, who broke the story of atrocities in the Belgian Congo, as well as breaking the story that Great Britain and other allied nations had signed secret treaties that led to World War One.
      • William Russell, whose descriptions of conditions during the Crimean War not only brought down a government, but led to fundamental changes in patient care in modern warfare.

      Journalism has been a dirty business from the get-go, but for as long as there have been newspapers, there have been intrepid reporters who actually care about the truth and made a difference when they told it.

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    10. Re:In SOVIET RUSSIA... by TubeSteak · · Score: 4, Informative

      Governments like Iran and China aren't the only ones who want to control all forms of communications. The US Government squashed numerous stories relating to the War on Terror by either asking news organizations not to publish or by claiming national security and telling them not to publish. The telecom spying scandal is the first example that comes to mind.

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    11. Re:In SOVIET RUSSIA... by icebraining · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Really? Monks under siege in monasteries as protest ends in a hail of gunfire

      Or:

      Front Line was pleased to receive confirmation today that human rights defender Aminatou Haidar has finally been allowed to return home to her family after 32 days on hunger strike. According to BBC sources Ms Haidar was able to speak to members of the media before boarding the flight. "This is a triumph for international law, for human rights, for international justice and for the cause of the Western Sahara" said Ms Haidar.

      http://www.frontlinedefenders.org/node/2300

    12. Re:In SOVIET RUSSIA... by Hal_Porter · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Most of the time it's not a problem of what governments allow, it's a problem of that sells papers. Gossip does, Watergate style involved reporting does not.

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    13. Re:In SOVIET RUSSIA... by sp3d2orbit · · Score: 4, Informative

      There is no comparison between US censorship and Chinese or Iranian. If there was Jon Stewart would be dead.

    14. Re:In SOVIET RUSSIA... by countertrolling · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Two things:

      First, it was a joke

      Second, it doesn't matter where you are. The ruling party is more than happy to throw a member(Nixon) or two under the bus as an exercise in theatrics to maintain its power. The Chinese put to death officials who get caught. And will be on the first page. Nixon drew a nice retirement package. The power structure remains intact. A triumph indeed.

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    15. Re:In SOVIET RUSSIA... by Monsuco · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Nixon drew a nice retirement package. The power structure remains intact. A triumph indeed.

      Yes, a triamph indeed. Nixon abused his powers and a free press caught him. He was forced to resign and there was a peaceful transfer of power. As an ex-President he did more than just "draw a nice retirement package", he would go on to do a great deal to ease US relations with the USSR and China serving as something of a negotiator. In fact he was considered one of the most respected foreign policy experts in the world. He also was a prominent speaker at universities, but ironically unlike most ex-Presidents, he generally didn't charge for speaking since he felt it was a corrupt abuse of the title of President.

    16. Re:In SOVIET RUSSIA... by hellop2 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "Witnesses described violent clashes between monks and police on the outskirts of Lhasa on Monday afternoon and reported hearing as many as 60 gunshots as troops forced the monks to return to their quarters early yesterday."

      "They said that about 60 monks from Drepung monastery were detained".

      I wonder if "detained" means, "never heard from again."

      “It’s really nothing. Everything is great,” said the Tibetan Governor.


      Sometimes, you're glad you live in America. Since we're talking about censorship, I think this is on-topic. Quoted from your first link.

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    17. Re:In SOVIET RUSSIA... by ydrol · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Just about most countries in the Free world. But you wouldn't know about that would you? Sigh.

    18. Re:In SOVIET RUSSIA... by oreaq · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The existence of Jon Stewart only show that the methods of controlling the unwashed masses are far more sophisticated in the free world than they are in these backwards communist countries. Political satire is just a valve for all the frustration and anger that oppressive and lying governments cause thus keeping the system stable. Why do you think the king's jester was aloud to make jokes about the king?

  2. Other companies should follow suit. by Ralph+Spoilsport · · Score: 5, Insightful
    'The most productive way to fight that is not by trying to engage China and other governments whose very being is against what we are about.'"

    That Google / Apple / Microsoft / etc. would ever make such a statement...

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    1. Re:Other companies should follow suit. by LostCluster · · Score: 2, Informative

      Google's current public stance on China is that they're thinking of closing their Chinese offices telling Chinese users to use google.com with the "in your language" features for translation rather than the censored google.cn.

      What would be much better would be to tell China to use https://google.com..../

  3. Central Choke Points by chill · · Score: 2, Interesting

    In Iran, moreso than China from what I understand, the Internet and telephones go thru central choke points that are controlled by the gov't. They can effectively just turn the whole damn Internet off in their country, if they like. Ditto for cell phones and text messaging.

    My first question would be is peer-to-peer traffic regulated, and if so, how? While the gov't might be able to cut off the main Internet egress points, all it would take is one person with a covert satellite link and a good p2p network. Or, maybe, a covert side channel on a bank leased line that runs to Switzerland, for example? How about packet radio? Twitter isn't exactly super bandwidth intensive.

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    1. Re:Central Choke Points by LostCluster · · Score: 4, Insightful

      My first question would be is peer-to-peer traffic regulated, and if so, how?

      Simple... controlling governments route all routes through the choke points. All traffic, even to the house next door, would have to go through the censorship point and then back to the destination.

      While the gov't might be able to cut off the main Internet egress points, all it would take is one person with a covert satellite link and a good p2p network.

      Simple... controlling governments ban satellite dishes.

      Or, maybe, a covert side channel on a bank leased line that runs to Switzerland, for example?

      Simple... controlling governments run the banks.

      How about packet radio?

      Simple... controlling governments don't allow consumer bandwidth. Try transmitting on an unlicensed spectrum here...

      Twitter isn't exactly super bandwidth intensive.

      Simple... controlling goverment loves things that are low-bandwidth and cleartext because that doesn't take much effort to scan what they've collected.

    2. Re:Central Choke Points by rvw · · Score: 2

      Simple... controlling governments ban satellite dishes.

      Except that China and Iran have to allow their people some liberty, because they are already too free and used to all things free. It's a matter of controlling, in the sense of keeping a balance, not shutting everything down. Your "simple" is too simple.

  4. Keep Reinventing the Wheel by PurpleCarrot · · Score: 2, Interesting

    There are many users of Twitter, Facebook, and LiveJournal that use Tor and other anonymizing proxies to get around constricting and censoring firewalls. If Twitter thinks they can do it better, by all means, but have they even reached out to some of the existing communities working on this problem before diving headlong into it themselves?

    I know for a fact that LiveJournal has a cordial relationship with the Tor project, and, when abuse from Tor spikes, has always worked with the project to ensure access from Tor users is quickly restored. I would be surprised if Twitter didn't have similar issues and that they wouldn't know about Tor, what with the Iran dissidents and Chinese users.

  5. Twitter technology to fight censorship... by Chris+Burke · · Score: 4, Funny

    It's called "Not having anything to say worth censoring". It's foolproof!

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  6. Green-backs. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    "'The most productive way to fight that is not by trying to engage China and other governments whose very being is against what we are about.'"

    Making money?

  7. Re:How far should social responsibility reach? by biryokumaru · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That's what I keep saying about defending Allah, but they still won't let me fly the airplane!

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  8. Re:How far should social responsibility reach? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    That's what I keep saying about defending Allah, but they still won't let me fly the airplane!

    You should have posted as an AC... now they won't let you on the airplane anymore, either.

  9. problem is twitter users have comfortable life by jkajala · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I seriously doubt it's the Twitter users who will start revolution, at least in China. The revolution is still alive in the masses of countryside, like before. Just look at the incidents which have sparked there recently. For example, in one province a slight rise of bus ticket prices resulted in violent demonstrations. I'm 100% sure none of them had ever heard about Twitter. Twitter has maybe ~0.3% reach in China compared to population, that's about less people than Beijing pisses off routinely at once by moving a whole city because of one more dam or railroad every few months. Still, I have to give credit to Beijing as well. China's growth and drive has been nothing but unbelievable. It would not have been possible without making strong and fast decisions without asking much from the people. It's very easy to build a railroad if you just relocate the people by sending them a letter with two weeks notice time. China is run more like a company than western countries, and western companies generally love it. At least as long as it doesn't cross their interests.

    1. Re:problem is twitter users have comfortable life by raju1kabir · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Look at for example Singapore: Average GDP per capita is higher than in US, but still the country is not democracy by any definition.

      On paper, Singapore is a fine democracy.

      The two things that get in the way are (A) the willingness of the courts to indulge politically-motivated libel suits, and (B) the lack of an effective press. Between these two, the ruling PAP has been able to sidestep a lot of what would be healthy competition, with the result that most serious politicians and aspiring technocrats just take the path of least resistance and work within the party rather than running against it.

      Over the years, it has been getting more democratic, though, and the trend seems to be continuing.

      Many people seem to overlook the degree to which Singapore is a model for the slow but steady emergence of democracy in east Asia.

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  10. Applicability of technology to other sites? by vampire_baozi · · Score: 2, Insightful

    While noone in China uses twitter enough to care even if Twitter found a way to "uncensor itself", if they could succesfully find a technical workaround that required no effort from end-users, it might be worth talking about (if my reading of TFA is right, any site could use such hacks to unblock itself, even google or dissident websites). However, if it forces end-users to install software to route around firewalls (a la Freedomgate and other already available software), the sites will remain unaccessible to the majority of users, who just don't care enough to bother.
    I'm honestly very curious as to what technical methods are out there for opening access through government firewalls that would not involve illegal and nearly impossible invasions into foreign computer networks. The Chinese and Iranian governments control the "pipes"; what software solutions could twitter possible be thinking of? Nice goal, but technically possible, beyond current "hacks/proxies"?

  11. Re:How far should social responsibility reach? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Sorry, I had to stop reading your post when you wrote that 'the entire point of having more than one government' - as if this were a design decision.

    "Yes, we considered a global government but decided against such because of a...b.. and c..." and this is how we have the system we have today.

  12. Re:How far should social responsibility reach? by sp3d2orbit · · Score: 4, Informative

    The Sea Shepherds practice terrorism

    If the Sea Shepherds used terrorism they would be a lot more effective. One RPG would put an end to the whaling for at least a season. In words of South Park, they are a bunch of vegan pussies.

  13. That quote comes to mind by halcyon1234 · · Score: 3, Funny

    'The most productive way to fight that is not by trying to engage China and other governments whose very being is against what we are about.'

    So... don't find a LAN war in Asia?