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Amazon Surrenders To Macmillan On eBook Pricing

CuteSteveJobs writes with a followup to news we discussed on Saturday of a disagreement between Amazon and Macmillan Publishers over ebook pricing: "Amazon has thrown in the towel and announced it will now sell books at Macmillan's increased prices; up to $14.99 from $9.99. Said Amazon in a statement: 'We will have to capitulate and accept Macmillan's terms because Macmillan has a monopoly over their own titles, and we will want to offer them to you even at prices we believe are needlessly high for e-books.' Macmillan has sensed Apple's iBooks opens the way for higher prices. Perhaps the question should be: do we even need publishers like Macmillian? Publishers have long managed to keep their old business model chugging along nicely despite the Internet; Academics are still forced to give up copyright (PDF) of their work in exchange for publication. Textbook publishers have a history of unethical practices like frequent edition changes, unjustifiable price increases and bribing teachers. For that matter, why do the RIAA's members still control the music business? Why do these dinosaur publishing businesses still manage to thrive despite the Internet?"

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  1. Monopoly? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "monopoly over their own titles" That word does not mean what you think it means...

    1. Re:Monopoly? by sopssa · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yeah that sounds a little bit stupid. Of course they have "monopoly" over their own titles. Duh.

      For that matter, why do the RIAA's members still control the music business? Why do these dinosaur publishing businesses still manage to thrive despite the Internet?"

      Because they
      1) Provide money and pay the big costs while artists are producing their album
      2) Provide marketing
      3) Find the promising artists and writers
      4) Have the distribution channels

      You can say anything you want about the internet as a marketing channel and cheap personal computers being capable of producing albums, but they really aren't. You need a good studio. I'm not going to listen to something that sound like demo tracks. They're horrible if you've ever listened to any other than your favorite band's. They also filter out the crap.

      This might be a little bit different with books, but you still need those distribution channels and marketing. Books don't just magically show up in book stores, libraries or have articles in magazines, nor do people just accidentally hear about it. And eBooks aren't going to replace paperback books yet.

    2. Re:Monopoly? by eudaemon · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Agreed about decent production values on an album and the need for a studio. *BUT* let's face it
      the compression that happens in post-production these days makes modern music just as unlistenable
      as if it were recorded in a truck stop bathroom. As a volunteer front of the house (read: live music)
      and studio (broadcast) board monkey, I can't claim to have experience cranking out studio albums.
      But the theory's widely known, and despite the black art elements of getting all the performers and instruments
      properly mic'd and isolated in a studio setting, maybe it's time for StudioWiki? Great things have come out
      of the collective wisdom and efforts of those passionate enough to contribute their time and knowledge.

      You won't see a major label backing things cranked out in someone's garage studio, but it's about the music
      and not about the money, I think your average band is just fine with Myspace, iTunes and the other internet-based
      distribution channels. And frankly I'd rather listen a McGyvered album with no COMPRESSION FUCKING UP ALL THE MUSIC
      taped in a stupid garage than a perfectly recorded / mastered / mixed AND THEN COMPRESSED TO FUCKING SHIT ANYWAY
      taped at Abbey Road. Wouldn't you?

    3. Re:Monopoly? by Chrisq · · Score: 4, Insightful

      3) Find the promising artists and writers

      They know who they are.

      The problem is sorting them out from the 10,000 other useless artists and writers who "know for certain" that they are the next big thing and are waiting to be discovered.

    4. Re:Monopoly? by mmarlett · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yeah, cause that can't be done by a widely accessable moderation system. Just imagine the anarchy that would happen if anyone could create anything and the only way people would know if it was any good is to look at how other people just like them ranked the work. Terrible.

    5. Re:Monopoly? by ajs · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Agreed about decent production values on an album and the need for a studio. *BUT* let's face it the compression that happens in post-production these days makes modern music just as unlistenable as if it were recorded in a truck stop bathroom.

      I disagree in the strongest possible terms. When I was young we listened to media that had far, far less fidelity than the music that I have access to today. There are lyrics that I can make out that I never could when I was young (and my hearing was better then).

      This is the age-old debate that springs up whenever something new comes along. There's always the crowd that will claim they can "tell the difference" and then proceed to confuse that with the new product being inferior. As I pointed out to a friend who was arguing that vinyl was superior to digital music: of course you can tell the difference. The digital music doesn't skip or hiss. Everything else is colored by the fact that you know which one you're "supposed to like." It's like having a blind taste test between coke and orange juice.

    6. Re:Monopoly? by flitty · · Score: 4, Insightful

      We have to make these things,

      From someone outside the industry, Macmillan's job needs to be educating the public on why a book, that no longer needs to be printed, and distribution costs have been cut 10-50 fold, why are these books still as expensive?

      I'm still confused on why I can get a CD at my local music store for $10, when online it's the same price. I know there's a bunch of front end costs in there, but you've cut out almost all of the physical costs, why isn't the book cheaper? Especially when you're locked into a proprietary DRM laiden format, and cannot pass the book off to anyone else? Electronic books are Less valuable, and should be priced as such.

      --
      Whether or not there is some sort of god, I'm not supposed to say/god is a word and the argument ends there-Smog
  2. Ugh. by Pojut · · Score: 5, Insightful

    $14.99 for a freaking E-BOOK?!?!?!? No. No no no, and no.

    Why would I pay twice the cost of a paperback version just so I could have a digital version? I realize there are costs associated with OCR services, but most writers use computers now anyways. What gives with the exorbitant prices?

    1. Re:Ugh. by netsavior · · Score: 4, Insightful

      riiiight, because they are going to charge $14.99 for an eBook that has a 4 year old discount paperback out..:eyeroll:

      They want the option for the new $36 hardcover big author titles to at least make half the money on an eBook format.

      If they want to control their pricing then they should be able to... If that prices them out of the market then that is their business.

    2. Re:Ugh. by sopssa · · Score: 4, Insightful

      First of all, we don't spam our links in the post here on slashdot. Anyone can click your Homepage button.

      Secondly, where did you get the idea that eBooks are supposed to be cheaper so the publishing industry goes to the "right" direction? Frankly if I buy a book, I want it as hardcover/paperback. Sure, music I want to download digitally, but books just aren't the same thing.

      Thirdly, this thing most likely isn't about eBooks being $14.99 while paperbacks are $5. The $14.99 eBooks are for books that cost $30 or more as a hardcover.

  3. Why? by foo+fighter · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Why do these dinosaur publishing businesses still manage to thrive despite the Internet?"

    Because development, editing, and marketing--and even distribution--have value and take skill to do well.

    Less than the publishers believe or would like, perhaps, but more than the /. crowd gives them credit.

    --
    obviously no deficiencies vs. no obvious deficiencies
  4. Amazon bows, I won't. Boycott greedy publishers. by GuerreroDelInterfaz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The solution is easy: don't buy ebooks from extremely greedy publisher like this one. Even if you can afford it. Just say no. I don't.

    --
    El Guerrero del Interfaz

  5. Re:Amazon bows, I won't. Boycott greedy publishers by sopssa · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why? If they have a book I want and I think the $14.99 price is worth it, why wouldn't I buy it?

  6. Why Publishers Exist by bsDaemon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Publishers still exist largely because of their editorial and "filtering" services. Editorially, they help to ensure that the best possible version of a text makes it to market -- that it is as technically (grammar, spelling, etc) correct and engaging as possible. As for filtering, they are meant to ensure that only works that have a reasonable degree of merit actually make it to market -- this is why people tend to believe printed word over that which they find on the internet, and why for those who create content, being accepted by a publisher for print production is highly valued. Anyone can put whatever crap they like on the internet, but the publishing industry exists to make sure that random crap doesn't flood the actual shelves.

    For certain types of content, such as text books and works of history, philosophy, and journalism the effect this has can go either way in how people, including myself, are willing to weigh benefits vs detractions. Certainly, it would be better if this content was more democratically available -- however, facts still need to be checked for correctness, copy edited etc. For works of literature, the potentially stifling affect on discourse is much more limited and even though I've almost always been on the losing side of the submission, I'm willing to accept the judgement of poetry and fiction editors as far as to what's actually worth something and what isn't, as they deal in literature every day and see submissions from all kinds of sources -- and when you finally do get a piece accepted then the fact that you had to try so hard to get through the filter makes the joy of it all the greater. That's not really a feeling one can get on the internet where the cost of reproduction approaches zero and so there is no real reason not accept a piece, or when one can stick whatever crap they would like on their own site and eventually someone will see it.

    However, for music -- where the bands mostly exist to play live and have fun, where the record itself is really just a form of marketing of their live performance, and where the technical ability to produce recordings of quality and distribute them directly to fans who will then come to their shows is now within the reach of just about everyone, then direct distribution without much filter makes more sense. However, poets and authors tend not make their money from live recitation but from the printed book itself, and the services of the publishers and distributers there are therefor more necessary and valuable. As someone who writes a lot, submits a lot, gets accepted rarely, and who has been in a few bands, played shows and cut a couple of demos I can see the difference, it is what it is, and I'm totally cool with it.

  7. Re:Amazon bows, I won't. Boycott greedy publishers by jedidiah · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If I am going to waste money paying far too much for a book than I really need to, then I'm going to at least get a version that I can pass on to someone else.

    --
    A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
  8. Amazon attempts to use their monopoly power by Geoffrey.landis · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In fact, Amazon was the one who was trying to use their market dominance as a tool to set prices, which is what we call monopolistic behavior. Note that what they did was not merely decide not to sell those books that they thought were overpriced-- they attempted to force the publisher by pulling all Macmillan titles from their store, including the physical (paper) ones-- saying "either you accept our prices for e-books, or else we will not sell any of your books." (And, of course, also all the imprints of Macmillan, such as Tor.)

    That only works, though, if Amazon were enough of a monopoly that people wouldn't just go elsewhere... and it turns out that Amazon isn't. Yet.

    In the long run, it benefits consumers that Amazon backed down-- it's never good for one vendor to have the power to set prices, even if (initially) they claim that they are only using that power to lower prices to the consumer.

    As Charlie Stoss commented, Amazon was fighting this one because if the publisher wins, it hurts their profitability because it pushes prices down.

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    http://www.geoffreylandis.com
  9. Perception of unreliability in self-publishing by tepples · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The question should really be 'what function that publishers perform do we still need and how should those functions be provided?'

    One function of a publisher, as opposed to a vanity press, is to have a reputation for checking the facts in what it publishes. There's a perception that works self-published through a vanity press can't be counted on as reliable sources of information.