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Membrane That Turns Any Surface Into a Touchscreen

alx5000 writes "Engadget has a story about Displax Interactive Systems, a Portuguese company that has created a new polymer film that, when stuck onto a surface, converts it into a multitouch touchscreen with up to 16 contact points. The article states that 'if all goes well, the first Displax-enabled wares will start shipping this July.'"

111 comments

  1. MC Hammer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Oh no, they proved MC Hammer wrong!

    1. Re:MC Hammer by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

      Well, they haven’t tried putting it on him yet. Or the headline would read differently.

      MC Hammer is to this membrane, like that aquarium is to that phone. :D

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    2. Re:MC Hammer by kungfugleek · · Score: 1

      The fools! They'll undo all creation!

    3. Re:MC Hammer by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      > Membrane That Turns Any Surface Into a Touchscreen

      (Insert generic Internet joke here)

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    4. Re:MC Hammer by sorak · · Score: 1

      Oh no, they proved MC Hammer wrong!

      I thought the last two decades proved MC Hammer wrong.

  2. Obligatory by Pojut · · Score: 2, Funny

    Think of the pr0n possibilities!

    Japanese sexbots + touchscreen membrane = teh sex

    1. Re:Obligatory by tippe · · Score: 3, Funny

      From TFA:

      As the story goes, an array of nanowires embedded in the film recognizes your digits or pointed breath [...]

      Except that I read "pointed breasts" ;-) [1]

      Ah, how the mind has a way of making things up before you've had your first morning coffee...

      [1] Presumably up to 16 of them. Now that's a party I'd like to be invited to (but probably never will)

    2. Re:Obligatory by AmonTheMetalhead · · Score: 1

      grrlls? Grails? Grills? gerbils? What is this grrlls you're talking about man?!

    3. Re:Obligatory by lxs · · Score: 1

      Mythical creatures without a peepee. Not found on the internets.

    4. Re:Obligatory by flyneye · · Score: 1

      Think of the portable computing and condom industries.
      You can [blank] to your favorite [blank] with a broadband connection and not get messy with [blank] while controlling it with your crank.

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  3. 16 contact points by oodaloop · · Score: 4, Funny

    Oh great, so I can use all my fingers...elbows...uh, my nose...tongue?...WTF?

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    1. Re:16 contact points by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or just, you know, other people? Perhaps some sort of multitouch multiplayer game?

    2. Re:16 contact points by AP31R0N · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      17 if you're a dude.

      (side note: atheist is not a proper noun, so it should be capitalized only when it's the first word of a sentence or part of a book title) /atheist

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    3. Re:16 contact points by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh great, so I can use all my fingers...elbows...uh, my nose...tongue?...WTF?

      Crazy idea: How about having a friend (omfg what dat?) so that the number of fingers increase?

    4. Re:16 contact points by Devout_IPUite · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      I know a gun-carrying environmentalist linux friendly atheist... He was never a marine though.

    5. Re:16 contact points by Jhon · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      side note: atheist is not a proper noun, so it should be capitalized only when it's the first word of a sentence or part of a book title) /atheist

      The great zeal with which many Atheists practice their believes (or lack thereof), I think capitalizing it is often appropriate.

    6. Re:16 contact points by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      AP31R0N is not even a word.

      (side note: Anonymous Coward is two words.)

    7. Re:16 contact points by xupere · · Score: 1

      16 contact points ought to be enough for anybody. No one will need more than 16 contact points for multi-touch input.

  4. 4 x 4? by GrahamCox · · Score: 0

    16 contact points, as in 4 x 4? That's only slightly useful for kiosks, etc, not much for general interactivity.

    1. Re:4 x 4? by Canazza · · Score: 5, Informative

      16 contact points as in 16 fingers at once, not 16 'buttons'

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    2. Re:4 x 4? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is discrimination, what about us with above octaldactyly?!

    3. Re:4 x 4? by MrNaz · · Score: 1

      Do what the lefties did. Open a shop for your market. You could call it the Octaldactylorium.

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    4. Re:4 x 4? by DeafZombie · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Oh no I lost a toe due to frostbite last time I went hiking. 16 point touch gives all those other people an unfair advantage. Where is my lawyer and my human rights organization representative when I need them?

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    5. Re:4 x 4? by Aeros · · Score: 1

      cool I've been looking for something where I can use all 16 of my finger simultaneously.

    6. Re:4 x 4? by luder · · Score: 1

      The idea is to have the possibility of more than one person using the same screen at the same time.

    7. Re:4 x 4? by ukemike · · Score: 1

      16 contact points!?! my god I'm a man so I could use 11, but 16!?! wtf would someone do w/ 16!

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    8. Re:4 x 4? by GeckoX · · Score: 1

      Not convinced that that is the case. On first read, that is what I thought too...but they are not very clear and after reading it again I'm inclined to think they actually mean that it can currently only recognize 16 interactive zones.

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    9. Re:4 x 4? by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      Or you could use the extra capacity for touch points to place objects on the screen: 3 contact points at a certain distance apart could be recognized as a "pointer object" that could be used...uh, I can't think of anything that might actually require this, but it could be done.

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    10. Re:4 x 4? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought the octaldactyl was extinct!

    11. Re:4 x 4? by drkim · · Score: 1

      Oh...
      Well, I'll put my socks back on then...

  5. Usefulness of touchscreens is overrated. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The usefulness of touchscreens is truly overrated.

    I used to work at a pizza chain where we had to ring in orders using a touchscreen. They were the biggest pieces of shit ever. It'd take five or six taps to perform any action.

    Just last week I was at the airport, and ran into the same problem using a much more modern ticket printer station that used a touchscreen.

    I can't help but be very skeptical about this technology, given how poorly existing touchscreens work. And those existing touchscreens are just basic rectangles, in very predictable and controlled environments.

    1. Re:Usefulness of touchscreens is overrated. by Pojut · · Score: 5, Informative

      It's not that they don't work, it's that they aren't maintained.

      Take a look at one of the many all-in-one PCs out there with touchscreens. Hell, just look at an iPhone. They work pretty well. Now look at the touchscreen at the airport. This is a device that is touched by hundreds if not thousands of different people a day. That much constant use is going to require a lot of maintenance.

      Don't blame the touchscreen, blame the fact that they aren't maintained given their high rate of use.

    2. Re:Usefulness of touchscreens is overrated. by Canazza · · Score: 4, Insightful

      one that can be taken off and replaced constantly without replacing the entire machine (or atleast a significant part, IE the whole display unit) would lower maintainence costs. This will likely be welcomed with open arms :)

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    3. Re:Usefulness of touchscreens is overrated. by mikael_j · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It probably doesn't help that any touchscreen placed somewhere where the general public has access to it will be subjected to vandalism and stupidity in the form of people pouring liquids on it, banging on it and (in the case of stupidity) trying to jab it really really hard without checking if it's possible to, you know, just touch it lightly.

      As for the parent's comment about cash registers I'm willing to bet quite a few coworkers took out their frustrations with customers, the cash registers themselves and management on the cash registers (when I worked in tech support I had a co-worker who went through several mice per month since he would vent his anger by hitting his mouse with a closed fist, doesn't take long for a mouse to fall apart under those conditions).

      /Mikael

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    4. Re:Usefulness of touchscreens is overrated. by Publikwerks · · Score: 1

      Used to support lotto machines(i.e. Powerball) that used touch screens. It would throw the calibration off if foreign matter such as crumbs or whatnot would get into the crack where the bevel would meet the screen. Like just about everything in life, if it is taken care off, it works great. Otherwise, it goes haywire

    5. Re:Usefulness of touchscreens is overrated. by imakemusic · · Score: 1

      Touchscreens are useful for certain situations. It's like the use of Flash on webpages. There is a time and a place for Flash (youtube wouldn't have been half as good without it, for example) but when most of the Flash you see is annoying banner ads, entire websites made of Flash or 5-minute unskippable intros for sites with no real content then you start wanting to reject it completely.

      (cue comments about Flash security risk blah blah blah...Hopefully you get my point.)

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    6. Re:Usefulness of touchscreens is overrated. by jacktherobot · · Score: 2, Informative

      most of the touch screens used in point of sale (i.e. cash register) applications are old resistive touch films. This tech suffers from the drawback that in order for the resistance of the film to change you have to physically deform it to register a touch. This opens you up to all kinds of mechanical fatigue problems like the one you're talking about. Capacative touch systems (like the iphone) which work by sensing the proximity of your finger electrically don't have this problem. The material in the article sounds like an evolution of resistive touch, so it would probably still wear out after a lot of use.

    7. Re:Usefulness of touchscreens is overrated. by jacktherobot · · Score: 1

      i would rather use a mouse that "just works" than a touch screen that i had to bring in for regular maintenance.

    8. Re:Usefulness of touchscreens is overrated. by Pojut · · Score: 1

      For personal use touchscreens, wiping down the surface with a distilled-water-based cleaner should be good enough. The only touchscreens that require actual maintence beyond cleaning are the ones used by the public.

    9. Re:Usefulness of touchscreens is overrated. by AlecC · · Score: 1

      I think you are comparing different technologies. The touchscreens of a few years ago were, I agree, total rubbish. But they were basically single point touchscreens with very crude technology. The multitouch screens, as used on the iPhone and iPad, are qualitatively in a different league. Instead of simple hardware recognisers, they use sophisticated software to work out what you are doing. If you haven't tried one of those, you have not seen what such screens can do.

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    10. Re:Usefulness of touchscreens is overrated. by RivenAleem · · Score: 1

      If he had a selection of mice, trained to emit different notes, he could try a few soothing melodies.

    11. Re:Usefulness of touchscreens is overrated. by EvilIdler · · Score: 1

      Some touch screens are pressure sensitive, others are contact sensitive (like the iPhone). That's why there is such a huge difference. I would assume this layer isn't pressure sensitive, as that would need some sort of mechanism BEHIND a soft screen.

    12. Re:Usefulness of touchscreens is overrated. by nedlohs · · Score: 1

      you really think if you had to use a mouse on an airport check-in machine that that mouse would "just work"?

    13. Re:Usefulness of touchscreens is overrated. by BlackBloq · · Score: 1

      Wow you are off base on this one sorry! Proof positive... the Nintendo DS! Kids beat the crap out and tap, scape and probably bite. They take one hella beating! They last longer then a controller with buttons. True dat!

  6. The 'multitouch' is the new bit by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    You've been able to get membranes that could be put on normal screens and make them touchscreens for a long time. I remember a school where my mother worked got some in the mid '90s and put them on monitors. A bit later there were companies advertising them for putting on laptops, with a serial adaptor so you got something that looked like a serial mouse to Windows 3.11 but was a touch screen. The news here is that they now support multitouch.

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    1. Re:The 'multitouch' is the new bit by Jorl17 · · Score: 0

      It's not the fact that it has already been possible that makes this news. Nor is it the fact that it has already been comercialized. It's the fact that not everybody knows about it and, so, it should be publicized.
      That's the purpose of all news.

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  7. Dear /. by capnkr · · Score: 0, Offtopic
    Don't blame me that you're getting your News for Nerds over 12 hours later than you could have otherwise. I tried!

    :D

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    1. Re:Dear /. by delinear · · Score: 1

      You must be new here. 12 hours late is like bleeding edge news to us :)

  8. Touchscreen now means any tactile interface? by ElectricTurtle · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I mean really, this doesn't produce any image at all. Yes, you can put it over a monitor of some kind, but if you stick it on any other surface, it's not a touchscreen but a touchpad.

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    1. Re:Touchscreen now means any tactile interface? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What about if you put it on your screen door?

    2. Re:Touchscreen now means any tactile interface? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, so what, i want to put a touchpad on my window so i can click on people outside to make them trip.
      AND NOBODY WILL STOP ME, I WILL MAKE EVERYONE FALL TO THEIR KNEES.

    3. Re:Touchscreen now means any tactile interface? by FlyingBishop · · Score: 5, Informative

      If light passes through it it is by definition a screen.

      screen != display

    4. Re:Touchscreen now means any tactile interface? by hitmark · · Score: 1

      a pico projector could help with that.

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    5. Re:Touchscreen now means any tactile interface? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      seems to me any screen you can touch would be a touch screen....I have one of those in every window in the house :)

    6. Re:Touchscreen now means any tactile interface? by Chris+Burke · · Score: 1

      I mean really, this doesn't produce any image at all. Yes, you can put it over a monitor of some kind

      Uh yeah, that's kinda how "touchscreens" work.

      I'm not aware of any kind of touch screen technology where the part that displays the image is also the part that is pressure sensitive. I could be wrong though. But I'm pretty sure that it's not the phosphors in a CRT are not used to detect contact, but we still call em 'touch screens'.

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    7. Re:Touchscreen now means any tactile interface? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is weasel-word bollocks. Touchscreen means a visual display with touch input. /. summary implies this polymer carries both input and display feature, when in fact it only offers input feature. OP is right, and /. moderators are morons.

    8. Re:Touchscreen now means any tactile interface? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And there are other kinds of screen that by definition don't let light pass through, so they screen whatever's behind them.

      Therefore all flat objects are screens, presumably.

  9. Touchscreen or Touchserface by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is this truly a touch-screen, as in OLED membrane with touch, or just a touch surface that can be stuck to a screen? The article doesn't really give many details to determine this.

  10. Re:Portuguese ppl by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh, yes, we're all about the touching.

  11. Where are the trolls??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am sure there are some NPE salivating over this news....

  12. Early adoption.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm sure the porn industry will be an early adopter on this one.

  13. Finally! by wonkavader · · Score: 4, Funny

    Finally, I can turn my life-size colonel Sanders cut-out into a data entry device.

    1. Re:Finally! by camperdave · · Score: 4, Funny

      Finally, I can turn my life-size colonel Sanders cut-out into a data entry device.

      Dude... I don't even want to know.

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    2. Re:Finally! by Wireless+Joe · · Score: 1

      At least he didn't say, "digital entry device".

    3. Re:Finally! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Obligatory "finger licking good" joke.

  14. Applications by LaminatorX · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Is it good or bad that my first thought was to make a multi-touch battle mat for wargaming?

    1. Re:Applications by EchaniDrgn · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but you only get a 16 squad total battle at 8 squads per army army on a 120" diagonal play mat... But I hear ya. :-)

    2. Re:Applications by Translation+Error · · Score: 1

      I suppose it's a bit better than thinking, "Now I can play DDR anywhere!"

      I'm sure we'd all be interested in hearing more of your thoughts on this matter. It seems like this subject would be right up your alley.

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  15. Why not.... by Gen.+Malaise · · Score: 1

    It puts the polymer on its skin or it gets the hose again!

  16. Anonymous Coward by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't know, but being able to turn anything into a touchpad/screen seems pretty sweet. And since it seems that it can be attached to any kind of surface, I guess museums can have bones that are touchable to give information on a screen next to it, maps, windows that protect items can be touched to select or interact with something on the other side of the glass.
    I would think that ppl that gather around here would have a bit more of an open mind regarding tech...

  17. one thing comes to mind... by sirroc · · Score: 1

    .... iOuija....

  18. Multi-touch, but... by Dyne09 · · Score: 1

    does it actually have a visual display? Am I missing something? This turns surfaces into multi-touch inputs, but does it actually turn into a display device as well? What is the point of placing this film "over a wood surface" if you can't see what the hell you're actually dong?

    1. Re:Multi-touch, but... by Emb3rz · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Reasons you would place a touch-sensitive device onto a static surface:

      • Identification of features (educational purposes)
      • Plotting (the vector kind, not the muhahaha kind)
      • Security interface?

      And there are plenty of other things you could use it for.. this is just a starter list. :)

    2. Re:Multi-touch, but... by srmalloy · · Score: 1

      Take an appropriately-shaped block of wood, screen-print a keyboard layout on it, put the film on top, and you have a keyboard with no moving parts.

      More generally, since this is being described as something you can put over an existing display (and therefore must be transparent), you can make a programmable keypad device where the touch-surface film is on a transparent plate, under which can be slid a template laying out what the 'buttons' are; because you would be able to define the position and dimensions (and, with sufficient sophistication of the drivers, shape), you could make the keypad layout whatever you wanted, with buttons of different sizes and orientations. Look at the Steelseries Zboard gaming keyboard; you get a customized keyboard layout by replacing the top of the keyboard with a new key panel. Consider how much easier it would be for a company to be able to release a cardstock insert to go under the sensor surface (where it won't get grimed and worn in use) and a layout configuration file than to manufacture an entire custom keyboard face. Crank it up another notch, and put a display panel in place of the insert, and you get something that can compete with the Optimus Maximus keyboard for customizability at what I expect to be a much lower price point.

    3. Re:Multi-touch, but... by drkim · · Score: 1

      yeah that would be as bad as using a mouse... :)

  19. ATM's by hAckz0r · · Score: 4, Interesting

    With the rash of card skimmers being placed on ATM's I have to wonder just how long it will be before someone "overlays" an ATM's console to grab pin numbers too. These days it pays to be observant of minor differences in hardware because these creeps are getting more and more sophisticated with microelectronics and wireless transceivers. I think it won't be long before someone puts this technology to use in some diabolical and illegal manor.

    1. Re:ATM's by kowala · · Score: 1

      I think it's only a matter of time until pickpockets spray touch screen membrane on people's hands while they are distracted. This would open the door to a new type of keylogging/finger logging

    2. Re:ATM's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah, like some dastardly Wayne Manor.

    3. Re:ATM's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think it won't be long before someone puts this technology to use in some diabolical and illegal manor.

      Like the estate surrounding Dracula's Castle!

    4. Re:ATM's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unnecessary. Just lift prints from the screen/number pad. Still some guessing involved, but that can be reduced with the slightest bit of info.

    5. Re:ATM's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought they already did that, well not a touchscreen overlay, but in the form of a fake pad the sits over the real one. I think they sometimes place a small camera to view the pin as it is being entered.

      Other than picking up pin numbers, which can already be done with a fake pad, I can't think of any diabolical and illegal things this would enable, i.e. things that can't already be done.

  20. And the drivers are available for???? by wowbagger · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I've been trying to find touchscreens to incorporate into an embedded system, and few of the touchscreen vendors have drivers for anything other than Windows - as such they get eliminated from my consideration.

    I've just check Displax's site, and a search for "linux" gives no hits - so either:
    a) They are just doing the actual sensing system, and letting somebody else build the actual interface chips
    or
    b) They only support Windows.

    Which makes them a non-starter in my line of work.

    1. Re:And the drivers are available for???? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OVERLAY XPRESS
      Drivers Windows, Linux No driver needed (Windows)
      Connection USB & Serial USB
      Type of LCD Any type Professional
      Sizes 10'' to 65'' 26'' to 103''
      Orientation Landscape or portrait

    2. Re:And the drivers are available for???? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One of the product lines have Linux drivers available.

    3. Re:And the drivers are available for???? by wowbagger · · Score: 1

      Thanks AC, that link helped - good to see that they are getting some drivers for Linux.

      However, it's pretty distressing that their own web site search function couldn't find that page - somebody ought to flog their web master.

    4. Re:And the drivers are available for???? by eu_virtual · · Score: 1

      http://www.displax.com/en/products/families/overlay.html has linux in text, so it appears their search sucks.

      It's a different product, but at least it seems to indicate they do have some linux support. Their press release doesn't seem to indicate any OS (google maps, social networking, display photos, all of which can be done in any OS.) though, so I guess you'll have to check back later.

      Also, a search around the internet gets you some news that say it can work with e-ink and oled, and since most (all?) of the e-book readers run linux, if they where thinking about that market, they can probably make it work with it. If those news are correct of course, as I couldn't find anything about e-ink in their press release.

    5. Re:And the drivers are available for???? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      *follow link*
      *scroll scroll scroll*

      Oh look! Contact info!

    6. Re:And the drivers are available for???? by MobyDisk · · Score: 1

      Why do those devices require drivers? They should just act like a mouse.

      I work on an embedded medical device and we use Elo touch screens (www.elotouch.com). Technically, the devices don't require drivers at all - just plug-into USB or serial. You do need the drivers if you want to run the calibration, or use any of the fancy features.

    7. Re:And the drivers are available for???? by wowbagger · · Score: 1

      "I work on an embedded medical device and we use Elo touch screens (www.elotouch.com). Technically, the devices don't require drivers at all - just plug-into USB or serial. You do need the drivers if you want to run the calibration, or use any of the fancy features."

      Considering that without calibration, where you touch won't match AT ALL where the system thinks you are touching, thus voiding most of the utility of a touchscreen, I think drivers are somewhat important.

      Moreover, I have seen too many touchscreen devices that:
      1) Don't ID themselves as a HID, but some non-standard device
      2) ID as a touchscreen, but incorrectly report their data on non-standard axis (e.g. on the rudder and throttle axis rather than X and Y).
      3) ID as a touchscreen, but then send packets that are NOT the standard HID packets.

    8. Re:And the drivers are available for???? by MobyDisk · · Score: 1

      Considering that without calibration, where you touch won't match AT ALL where the system thinks you are touching, t

      That is not correct.

      The amount of calibration varies based on on what touch-screen technology you are using. But today, the screens come pre-calibrated out of the factory. We don't need to recalibrate. In theory, you might have to if the humidity or temperature changes significantly. Or if you rotate the display.

      Our embedded devices run on vxworks, and Elo does not provide vxworks drivers. So our manufacturing group calibrates the monitors in-house when the device is assembled. The users do not have the ability to recalibrate.

      Moreover, I have seen too many touchscreen devices that...

      That sounds awful. I wouldn't use those vendors. The Elo screens I am referring to do not do that.

  21. Getting closer... by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

    ...to my 62" QuadHD monitor with input so I can mark up architectural prints, full size, on my screen (placed flat /sloped like a drafting table, of course)

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  22. "if all goes well..." meaning - by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We could realisticly hope to see shaky first implementations by next January.

  23. Pot, meet Kettle. by AP31R0N · · Score: 1, Insightful

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque

    But then again, atheists should just be in the closet with the gays, right? Women should be grateful to stay at home and make us dinner.

    It's a sign of being a member of a privileged class when you take offense at an outsider speaking up for themselves. Women and blacks who wanted equal rights to men/whites were treated in much the same way. Those in power regarded activists as "uppity" and wondered "why are they so angry all the time?". Some of us are angry and sometimes rightfully so. That doesn't mean we all are. Just because some individuals are obtuse and belligerent doesn't mean you should misrepresent the whole. Otherwise, atheists might hold up folks like Haggard and OBL as examples of theists.

    Want atheists to be less outspoken? Treat them with the same respect you want (that sounds familiar, hrm). Or better yet, treat people like they WANT to be treated. Start with something minor like... knowing that atheism is NOT an ideology or even an actual group or movement. If someone says they are atheist... respond in the same way you would if they said they like to watch baseball. It has nothing to do with you. They can watch baseball, and you can watch football. It's not a zero sum game.

    Unless it's the first word of the sentence or in a book title, just leave it lower case.

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    1. Re:Pot, meet Kettle. by vacarul · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      atheism is NOT an ideology or even an actual group or movement

      exactly!

    2. Re:Pot, meet Kettle. by Jhon · · Score: 1

      You should actually learn what a tu quoque is -- the difference between formal and informal fallacies, and not just create a straw man.

      knowing that atheism is NOT an ideology or even an actual group or movement.

      Really?

      Or better yet, treat people like they WANT to be treated.

      "At the time of the winter solstice, let reason prevail. There are no gods, no devils, no angels, no heaven or hell. There is only our natural world. Religion is just a myth and superstition that hardens hearts and enslaves minds" -- Freedom from Religion Foundation

      Do Atheists want their belief system mocked? Is that how they want to be treated?

      The zeal appears ideological to me. In just this one example, it's being spread by "an actual group or movement" as I see it. Don't you agree?

      I'm still fine with tossing a capital "A" for Atheists when appropriate.

      (Offtopic yes, but I feel I must respond)

  24. Obligatory Monty Python by RadioElectric · · Score: 1
  25. Wait, I'M Portuguese by nunofgs · · Score: 0

    How are we in the news? We never do real scientific work. There must be some sort of mistake.

    1. Re:Wait, I'M Portuguese by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm Portuguese too, you insensible clod!
      We do real scientific work! Remember paper transistors? They're everywhere now, aren't they?

    2. Re:Wait, I'M Portuguese by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We invented the Prepaid, Via Verde... and we have the best bank ATM network in the world...

  26. HardStudi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I heard this shyt causes e-cancer in usb mice.

  27. I got just 2 words for ya... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Realdoll Skin.

      I did RTFA and it explicitly states 'breath' as a means of exciting a response. And yes, that was intentional wording of that sentence.

  28. Old news - tried this 2 years ago by SplatMan_DK · · Score: 1

    I don't get it. This is old stuff. I tried such a membrane at CeBit in Hannover almost two years ago. It was made by a Japanese firm and could register "only" four concurrent touchpoints, but it is still very similar to this.

    It was delivered as a thin plastic film in a black plastic frame about one inch wide all around and with a USB cable sticking out the lower left corner. They had sizes for 32, 37, 40, 42 and 50 inch LCD/plasma screens and showcased two 42 inch screens running Vista at their booth.

    I wonder if the membrane is strong enough to used as a table surface. One of these membranes with a cheap 42 inch LCD TV and an Asus EE-PC could be a very cheap way to make a "Surface computer". And I would love to put such a homebrew surface/table computer between my sofa and my lounge chair ... :-)

    --
    My security clearance is so high I have to kill myself if I remember I have it...
  29. Hallelujah by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    I've been wanting to build a multitouch table, but I haven't been able to afford a high-resolution projector and a pair of high-res video cameras. I do, however, have a fairly sizable LCD television. All I need now is a way to bring the television level, and a layer of glass over the display so that I can press on it without damaging the display.

    --
    "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
  30. Re: seriously, think of the robots by ThinkOfaNumber · · Score: 1

    You make an interesting point, if not necessarily for sexbots...

    Think of the Star Trek movie First Contact where Data gets feeling on his arm from the Borg - image what a difference this could make to a robot?!

    Imagine not only touch sensitive fingers, but the ability to detect wind, or feel past objects such as trees or guage the movement of a crowd. For a robot that's pretty cool.

    This has big implications for the robot industry. They shouldn't look like us, but they should be as functionally similar to us as possible (or better).

  31. Try reading the article and their web site by tlambert · · Score: 1

    Try reading the article and their web site.

    I used to work at a pizza chain where we had to ring in orders using a touchscreen.

    Most touch screens for data entry are layers on top of the glass. This is capacitive, and can go under the glass. If it were under the glass, you'd have a much harder time wearing it out than if it were a simple touch screen like the type they use at Pizza Hut.

    Personally, I was disappointed that they wanted contact information, and gave zero information on where to obtain engineering samples, since I's really like a 27" touch screen iMac (my iPhone has already got me trained to the point I am leaving fingerprints all over every display I own). They are really only interested in talking to people already interested in buying quantity, sight unseen.

    -- Terry

  32. What is new about this? by MobyDisk · · Score: 1

    I'm confused why this is new. Resistive touch screens have always been a polymer surface that could be attached to anything. For example:
    http://www.elotouch.com/Technologies/AccuTouch/howitworks.asp