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Landmark Ruling Gives Australian ISPs Safe Harbor

omnibit writes "Today, the Federal Court of Australia handed down its ruling in favor of the country's third largest ISP, iiNet. The case was backed by some of the largest media companies, including 20th Century Fox and Warner Bros. They accused iiNet of approving piracy by ignoring thousands of infringement notices. Justice Cowdroy said that the 'mere provision of access to internet is not the means to infringement' and 'copyright infringement occurred as result of use of BitTorrent, not the Internet... iiNet has no control over BitTorrent system and [is] not responsible for BitTorrent system.' Many Internet providers had been concerned that an adverse ruling would have forced themselves to police Internet traffic and comply with the demands of copyright owners without any legislative or judicial oversight."

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  1. Suck it, AFACT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Suck it long and hard.

    1. Re:Suck it, AFACT by Smegly · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The case was backed by some of the largest media companies, including 20th Century Fox and Warner Bros.

      Irresponsible behavior (some would say - criminal) and total lack of respect for our internet from these last century media company behemoths really does make it that much easier to justify going out of our way to never ever pay them a penny - on moral grounds. Oh they will still get paid, and paid very well for doing nothing, what with our taxes going right to their pockets. What a convenient business model! However a serious correction in market capitalization is obviously in order for these people - they apparently will not be content until they destroy the internet.

      As an aside, in parts of Europe they released the Disney channel last year or so to free view on TDT. Previously it was cable TV subscriber only where the post-war economic crisis was causing their viewer ratings to seriously drop. A generation of little EU'lings growing up without crying for their "Micky Mouse" tee-shirts or wanting to go to "WarnerBros world" must have scared the absolute goofies out of them.

    2. Re:Suck it, AFACT by rtb61 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Double plus bonus on the ruling, not only does it set precedent but also "The Australian Federation Against Copyright Theft representing the film industry, has been ordered to pay iiNet's costs", loser pays in Australian Civil courts, which is why they never played around with suing end users. You lose one case, you lose them and then have to pay everyone's court costs.

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  2. Headline should read... by DigiJunkie · · Score: 5, Funny

    Landmark Legal Decision - Law and Common Sense Align

    1. Re:Headline should read... by Wowsers · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Don't expect a sudden rash of common sense to be replicated around the world by judges.

      I'm sure there are plenty of judges that will give the "correct" verdict for the media companies for an appropriate "compensation package."

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    2. Re:Headline should read... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      You can read the decision for yourself here.

    3. Re:Headline should read... by poetmatt · · Score: 2, Insightful

      really? You know, most judges worldwide do tend to read into the decisions made by other countries and cite them, as there are many smart law folks. Whether they disagree or not sure, but simple jurisprudence does exist.

    4. Re:Headline should read... by blind+monkey+3 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Sorry but I suspect the endgame is presented in this http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/02/04/2809856.htm
      quote:
      Outside court, Australian Federation Against Copyright Theft executive director Neil Gane said he was disappointed with the decision. He said the case was lodged to try to protect the livelihoods of the thousands of Australians who work in the television and film industries. Mr Gane said he was confident that the Federal Government would now review the laws surrounding copyright infringement.

      as the saying goes, who needs judges and courts when you can afford politicians.

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    5. Re:Headline should read... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      In Australia judicial and policing roles are generally not politically appointments (with some exceptions) and the influence of corporations is very limited.

      In cases like this it is more a case of convincing the government to change the law. Unfortunately this is something AFACT will probably find relatively easy to do with our current Federal government particularly the Senator Conroy as the Minister for Broadband, Communications and the Digital Economy.

    6. Re:Headline should read... by obeythefist · · Score: 4, Interesting

      As a matter of fact, the Australian judge presiding over this case examined safe-harbour provisions and similar cases from US law and he mentions those examinations in the judgement document.

      This is common sense really, as ISP's are a carrier and not liable for the content that passes through their networks.

      Unfortunately what will happen is Conroy, the Minister for Communications, who has already identified himself as being strongly pro-copyright, will now attempt to enact harsh laws to force ISPs to surrender private information to AFACT companies and allow direct attacks on the Australian population. Conroy is the same minister who was voted Internet Villain of the Year last year for his ongoing attempts to enact a hidden, government controlled blacklist censorship system to "protect the children" (although really it just blocks political, anti-abortion and euthanasia websites and a few local Australian businesses thrown in at random).

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  3. Prepare for the appeals! by SpeedyDX · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This case is probably not over yet.

    1. Re:Prepare for the appeals! by MrShaggy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Its the supreme court after all. I think that says it all.

      maybe ACTA will be nexT?

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    2. Re:Prepare for the appeals! by Jason+Pollock · · Score: 4, Informative

      Um, it's Australia, and the Federal Court in Australia.

      Australia doesn't _have_ a Supreme Court, they have a High Court.

      So, no, this probably isn't over yet.

    3. Re:Prepare for the appeals! by throbber · · Score: 2, Informative

      There is still the High Court. The Supreme Courts in Australia only have jurisdiction over State matters.

    4. Re:Prepare for the appeals! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Australia doesn't _have_ a Supreme Court, they have a High Court.

      We have eight (8) Supreme Courts actually. But yes, you are correct this is the first instance case before a single Judge in the Federal Court. Appeal would usually lie to the Full Court (of the FedCrt) and then to the High Court of Australia.

    5. Re:Prepare for the appeals! by Enter+the+Shoggoth · · Score: 4, Informative

      Its the supreme court after all. I think that says it all.

      maybe ACTA will be nexT?

      Sorry, no it wasn't the supreme court. If you are an non-Australian you will find a more complete explanation here. If on the other hand you are a fellow Aussie and you think that we have a single supreme court I respectfully suggest that you have watched way too many hours of imported American TV shows. Stop it!

      The case was held in the federal court - each state within Australia has it's own court system the highest court within each state is the state's own supreme court. As this seems to have been a case with respect to federal law it was brought before the federal court.

      In any case there is an avenue for appeal. Leave may be sought for the case to be heard by the High Court which has appellate jurisdiction over the federal court and all states supreme court. This is not overly likely however as the high court rarely accepts matters and the majority of its sittings are to determine constitutional matters.

      The next step in this process for AFACT is more likely to lobby the idiots in Canberra for new laws.

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    6. Re:Prepare for the appeals! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      I know you all speak English, but does 'Supreme' mean something different in Australia?

      Each state and territory as a Supreme Crt, which is the highest court for that state and territory. The federal court system is separate and deals with federal law (eg. copyright law). The highest court in Australia is the High Court of Australia, to which one can appeal from the state Supreme Crts or from the Federal Crt.

      Does that make it any clearer?

    7. Re:Prepare for the appeals! by MichaelSmith · · Score: 4, Funny

      Sure. Just like I have district and magistrates burgers which are obviously of lesser quality than supreme burgers.

      And in France its called the Court Royale

    8. Re:Prepare for the appeals! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      The High Court really only deals with interpretation of the constitution

      While this is true of the German Bundesverfassungsgericht, it is completely false in regard to the High Court of Australia. And yes, IAAAL.

      Any point of law, whether it arises out if the Constitution or not, can be decided by HCA.

    9. Re:Prepare for the appeals! by grcumb · · Score: 5, Funny

      The High Court really only deals with interpretation of the constitution

      While this is true of the German Bundesverfassungsgericht, it is completely false in regard to the High Court of Australia.

      You deserve to be modded up just for spelling Bundesverfassungsgericht correctly.

      ... And yes, IAAAL.

      Now, some of you might conclude that the 3rd 'A' above stands for 'Australian'. Actually, because of issues too complex to explain (something to do with the International Date Line, the Doppler Effect and Special Relativity), Australian vowels simply last longer than North American or European vowels. If you were to pronounce that acronym out loud it would sound more like 'OIEAAAAAAAAOOOHHHHLLLL'.

      A clause in the US/Australian Free Trade Agreement requires that Australian actors have their vowels surgically removed when they're being prepared for export.

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    10. Re:Prepare for the appeals! by NekSnappa · · Score: 3, Funny

      When did they move West Virginia to Australia?

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    11. Re:Prepare for the appeals! by Hucko · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Not at the cost per megabytes that is charged here.

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    12. Re:Prepare for the appeals! by DeathElk · · Score: 2, Funny

      When did they move West Virginia to Australia?

      When John Howard was elected in 1996.

  4. It was awesome how thoroughly they won too by adamkennedy · · Score: 5, Informative

    What I liked about this ruling was just how much they won it.

    The judge said that Safe Harbour provisions did apply to the ISP... but they weren't needed because they only applied if the ISP explicit approved that user activity (which they do not)... and any infringement notices from the studios didn't need to be sent to consumers due to the Privacy Act (iiNet sends all infringement notices to the police instead)... and in any case the sending of infringement notices and subsequent banning etc was not considered a valid copyright prevention mechanism.

    So yeah, they wiped the floor with them.

    1. Re:It was awesome how thoroughly they won too by Incisa · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The salient quote from the judge - "the law recognises no positive obligation on any person to protect the copyright of another".

    2. Re:It was awesome how thoroughly they won too by Areyoukiddingme · · Score: 2, Insightful

      One supposes he meant "private citizen" when he said "person".

      And if that holds up on appeal, you can bet there will be a scramble to change it.

    3. Re:It was awesome how thoroughly they won too by Capsaicin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      One supposes he meant "private citizen" when he said "person".

      One is in error. At law a corporation is a 'person.' Indeed the personality of a corporation is a sine qua non of the corporate form (the other being the limited liability of that person). Contrast this with a partnership, which is several persons, or a non-incorporated company, which is a vehicle through with the person(s) who own(s) it operate.

      What you call a "private citizen" is conventionally referred to as a 'natural person.'

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    4. Re:It was awesome how thoroughly they won too by halcyon1234 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The salient quote from the judge - "the law recognises no positive obligation on any person to protect the copyright of another".

      It's almost like the judge-- reads? {mindreel}

      "There has grown in the minds of certain groups in this country the idea that just because a man or corporation has made a profit out of the public for a number of years, the government and the courts are charged with guaranteeing such a profit in the future, even in the face of changing circumstances and contrary to public interest. This strange doctrine is supported by neither statute or common law. Neither corporations or individuals have the right to come into court and ask that the clock of history be stopped, or turned back."

      - Heinlein, Life Line, 1939

    5. Re:It was awesome how thoroughly they won too by Caity · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I am an Australian lawyer and I will endorse what Capsaicin said - a corporation is quite definitely a "person" at law.

      It's difficult to pinpoint it as it's a Common Law definition rather that one that's set out in a statute. It's one of those things that just is, with origins in England in about the 15th century.

      I know it's not a great piece of proof, but for the sake of simplicity, I offer the definition of "person" in the Australian Corporations Act 2001 which includes a superannuation fund. If it can include a superannuation fund, you can damn well bet it includes a corporation.

  5. Good news, but by Karsaroth · · Score: 5, Informative

    we still have a proposed Internet Filter, no R18+ rating for video games, and a South Australian government that passed a law saying that every person commenting about the election online must provide their real name and postcode. We have a long way to go yet.

    1. Re:Good news, but by Capsaicin · · Score: 4, Insightful

      we still have a proposed Internet Filter, no R18+ rating for video games, and a South Australian government that passed a law saying that every person commenting about the election online must provide their real name and postcode.

      You missed something else we still have. The separation of the administrative/legislative and the judicial arms of government.

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    2. Re:Good news, but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually, the South Australian law requiring real names and postcodes on all Internet comments about the election has already been overturned.

      So now they can twitter "off to vote today" from their phones without getting RSI.

    3. Re:Good news, but by bcg · · Score: 5, Informative

      "SOUTH Australian Attorney-General Michael Atkinson late last night backed down on online media censorship laws.

      After stoking a fight with the media less than two months from a state election, Mr Atkinson said the laws stripping anonymity from media blogs would be repealed after the March 20 poll.

      "From the feedback we've received through AdelaideNow, the blogging generation believes that the law supported by all MPs and all political parties is unduly restrictive. I have listened," Mr Atkinson said in statement released to the website AdelaideNow.

      "I will immediately after the election move to repeal the law retrospectively."

      Mr Atkinson said the law would not be enforced for comments posted during the upcoming election campaign, even though it was technically applicable."


      http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/sa-attorney-general-backs-down-on-political-blogging/story-e6frg6nf-1225826154732

    4. Re:Good news, but by StrahdVZ · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually it has NOT been overturned yet. The South Australian Attorney-General declared that he would scrap the laws AFTER the upcoming election. Now this is assuming that he and his party will still be in power after the election (a big assumption indeed).

      If he isn't then I'll bet my chops that the Conservatives who are then in power will do everything they can to retain the draconian law.

    5. Re:Good news, but by bmo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What got me was that he basically said the only way to get it scrapped was if he was re-elected.

      That's some brass balls.

      From here in the US, while we've had our problems, it certainly seems like you guys have forgotten the old pledge "We swear by the Southern Cross to stand truly by each other and fight to defend our rights and liberties."

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    6. Re:Good news, but by Madsy · · Score: 5, Informative

      we still have a proposed Internet Filter, no R18+ rating for video games, and a South Australian government that passed a law saying that every person commenting about the election online must provide their real name and postcode. We have a long way to go yet.

      And banned A-cup breasts from mainstream pornography. Reason? Think-of-the-children mentality again. http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2010/01/28/australia-bans-small-breasts-as-child-pornography/ I found that both amusing and shocking. It's not about children's safety anymore, but pushing moral values and acting as thought-police.

    7. Re:Good news, but by Ralish · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You missed something else we still have. The separation of the administrative/legislative and the judicial arms of government.

      The judicial arm is effectively separate, but the separation of the executive (administrative) and legislative arms of government isn't necessarily a good idea; look to America for some solid examples why. Which isn't to say it doesn't have its benefits, but I don't think they outweigh the cons. In particular, I don't think it in anyway increases government accountability, but it certainly does decrease government effectiveness, and an ineffective government is bad no matter where you sit on the political spectrum, as it impedes a government mandated by the people to implement policy from being able to do so.

    8. Re:Good news, but by dakameleon · · Score: 2, Informative

      it certainly seems like you guys have forgotten the old pledge "We swear by the Southern Cross to stand truly by each other and fight to defend our rights and liberties."

      That's because that is a pledge associated with the Eureka stockade, and nothing at all to do with the formation of the Australian nation; the majority of those participating in the stockade were not Australian born but rather recent migrants to the country in the hunt for gold. And yes, it's mostly forgotten because it's not a pledge repeated commonly, and indeed if anything has been co-opted by anti-immigration groups, along with the flag and associated symbolism. Not exactly something to be proud of.

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    9. Re:Good news, but by mjwx · · Score: 4, Informative

      From here in the US, while we've had our problems, it certainly seems like you guys have forgotten the old pledge "We swear by the Southern Cross to stand truly by each other and fight to defend our rights and liberties."

      Because that isn't actually part of our constitution, nor part of the Australian thinking.

      Such uptight Jingoism and "patriotism" is only practised by the racist/xenophobic segments of our society, we try as hard as possible to ignore and marginalise such segments.

      The phrases that are better associated with being Australian are:
      "No worries mate" and "She'll be right"
      which are more indicative of our laid back nature. The most patriotic saying the average Australian is expected to use is "Lest we forget" and this is only ANZAC day.

      But in any case, hopefully this ruling and sudden outbreak of common sense helps the US with it's problems not only with the RIAA/MPIAA but the struggle to maintain network neutrality.

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    10. Re:Good news, but by Arker · · Score: 2, Insightful

      and an ineffective government is bad no matter where you sit on the political spectrum

      Totally incorrect. For anyone not situated very close indeed to the sitting government on the 'political spectrum' an ineffective government is better than an effective one. The capacity for governments to do good is quite limited, their capacity to do evil is unfortunately not.

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  6. Sudden outbreak of... by Pushpabon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...common sense? But it's Austfailia! This can't be true! Somehow they'll find a way to overturn this I know it.

    1. Re:Sudden outbreak of... by sconeu · · Score: 5, Funny

      No need to turn it over. It's Australia. It's already upside-down.

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  7. sigh by wizardforce · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "copyright infringement occurred as result of use of BitTorrent, not the Internet...iiNet has no control over BitTorrent system and [is] not responsible for BitTorrent system."

    The important part is what isn't said. The ruling didn't say that there was no obligation to police a certain part of the net for copyright violations, just that the ISP wasn't responsible for BitTorrent and thus wasn't obligated to police that part of the net.

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    1. Re:sigh by mabinogi · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The important part is what isn't said. The ruling didn't say that there was no obligation to police a certain part of the net for copyright violations, just that the ISP wasn't responsible for BitTorrent and thus wasn't obligated to police that part of the net.

      so, "the law recognises no positive obligation on any person to protect the copyright of another" doesn't meet your definition of that?

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  8. statement from the losing party by Swampash · · Score: 4, Funny

    Speaking on behalf of the Australian and US film companies that launched the action, Australian Federation Against Copyright Theft executive director, Neil Gane, said he was disappointed by the Court's decision.

    "Today's decision is a setback for the 50,000 Australians employed in the film industry," he said.

    "But we believe this decision was based on a technical finding centred on the court's interpretation of the how infringements occur and the ISPs ability to control them.

    "We are confident that the government does not intend a policy outcome where rampant copyright infringement is allowed to continue unaddressed and unabated via the iiNet network.

    "We will now take the time to review the decision before making further comment on next steps," he said.

    Translation:

    1. Dey tuk er jeb! Won't someone think of the jeb?

    2. Never should have allowed testimony about how the Internet works.

    3. OK, fuck the courts, we'll just buy a few politicians. We'll tell 'em it's about protecting Australian jobs and about protecting de widdle chiwdwen.

    4. Need to work out which politicians to buy.

  9. Statement in full from the losing party by David+Gerard · · Score: 4, Funny

    Thirty-four film companies representing the Australian and US film industries today expressed their disappointment that the Federal Court found that iiNet was not using orbital mind control lasers to encourage copyright infringements by its customers on its network.

    Despite findings of copyright infringement by iiNet customers, pirate flags in their front yards and downloaded cars in their driveways, iiNet did not authorise the acts of its customers, merely sitting back and watching the tens of dollars rolling in to feather their own nests at the expense of the poor beleaguered major record companies and film studios.

    Australian Federation Against Copyright Theft executive director, Neil Gane, said he was disappointed by the Court’s decision. "Today’s decision is a setback for the 50,000 Australians employed in the film industry, who work hard to send money to America as fast as possible. But we believe there's something not quoite roight about this ruling — it was based on a mere technical loophole centred on the court's interpretation of what the law technically says in actual words and original intention, rather than what it should say.

    "We are confident that the government does not intend a policy outcome where zombie hordes of drooling open source copyright terrorists led by the evil genius Michael Malone are allowed to continue feasting upon the flesh of the living via the iiNet network.

    "We will now take the time to review the decision before seeing if we can bribe enough federal politicians to get a law more to our liking."

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    1. Re:Statement in full from the losing party by wintermute000 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "Today's decision is a setback for the 50,000 Australians employed in the film industry,"

      Seeing as our film industry is pretty small + vast majority of piracy is for overseas content (the local content is mostly live TV stuff - sports, news, fluff reality and cooking shows etc. that nobody pirates, you just watch it if its on etc. and if you pirate neighbours then god bless your simple mind) that statement is kinda like sweatshop workers protesting that fake designer gear is depriving them of their 2 bucks a day.

      As for iinet, good on them, they're a good isp, shame about the inevitable appeal.

  10. Timeline of case + full ruling by angry+tapir · · Score: 4, Informative

    Here's a timeline of the case. Also the full ruling has been posted online.

  11. Favourite quote: by fabs64 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "the law recognises no positive obligation on any person to protect the copyright of another," - Justice Cowdroy

    Ah, reasonable, rational, and direct. Love it.

  12. The future is still undetermined by spudda · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The Issue was decided by a single judge, which means the likelihood of appeal to the full bench of the Federal court and the high court after that is 100%. I think this is a good day for Australian ISPs. And despite the whinging from AFACT it does not protect pirates since the copyright holders have had the mechanism of going to the court for a court order to name an ISP subscriber for years. They just elected not to use it and tried to bully subscribers with infringement notices. And any ISP that didnt pass on these notices were run over the coals by AFACT as this case has demonstrated. But what this case demonstrates is that AFACT is not above the law. However I can see the Government tightening the legislation at the end of this case making any decision by the high court moot when it gets reversed by the incompetent Conroy and his band of merry men

  13. Re:Wow by tomhudson · · Score: 2, Funny
    Funny if his first name was Neil ...

    Justice Cowdroy, Neil.

  14. Users only infringe *once* per file by tdelaney · · Score: 4, Interesting

    And additional important ruling (taken from the summary):

    10. The first step in making a finding of authorisation was to determine whether certain iiNet users infringed copyright. I have found that they have. However, in reaching that finding, I have found that the number of infringements that have occurred are significantly fewer than the number alleged by the applicants. This follows from my finding that, on the evidence and on a proper interpretation of the law, a person makes each film available online only once through the BitTorrent system and electronically transmits each film only once through that system. This excludes the possible case of a person who might repeatedly download the same file, but no evidence was presented of such unusual and unlikely circumstance. Further, I have found, on the evidence before me, that the iiNet users have made one copy of each film and have not made further copies onto physical media such as DVDs.

    This appears to be saying that when someone torrents, they only infringe copyright once. Which would make it economically unviable to go after people for casual copyright infringement via the internet, since damages would be severly limited.

    1. Re:Users only infringe *once* per file by masher_oz · · Score: 5, Insightful
      So it looks like merely making a file available isn't an infringement. This is congruent with the finding that

      20. The law recognises no positive obligation on any person to protect the copyright of another. The law only recognises a prohibition on the doing of copyright acts without the licence of the copyright owner or exclusive licensee, or the authorisation of those acts. In the circumstances outlined above and discussed in greater detail in my judgment, it is impossible to conclude that iiNet has authorised copyright infringement.

      Just because you're able to copy my file doesn't make me responsible.

    2. Re:Users only infringe *once* per file by rswail · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "letting it seed" isn't transmitting it ("making available") or copying it. It's made available once (seeded), and then each individual downloading is infringing. This means that even if they do manage to prosecute an individual, it will be for one copy made (if they catch them downloading), and one making available (if they catch them seeding).

      That severely limits the potential liability, makes it a civil offence, not a criminal one and probably not worth the studio's time.

    3. Re:Users only infringe *once* per file by InfinityMinusOne · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This is a very strange argument. If I torrent a movie and let it seed indefinitely, I will almost certainly have distributed more than one copy of the film. Did the justice really believe that torrenting is a one-for-one kind of activity where a downloaded work is uploaded once and only once? I haven't read the decision, but I wonder how much of it concerned downloading versus uploading.

      Actually, the judge is correct. Some people seed more, some people seed less, but on average the number of uploads for each bittorent participant is equal to 1.

      The reason is, for any given file distributed through bittorrent, the average number of uploads or downloads per person is each equal to the total number of uploads or downloads, divided by the number of persons participating. Since each kilobyte downloaded is uploaded by someone else, the total number of uploads and downloads are equal. So the average number of uploads per person has to be equal to the average number of downloads per person. And for any participant, that average number of downloads is 1.

      I'm ignoring the possibility of incomplete downloads, blocks that needed to be re-downloaded, or the fact that the original seeder didn't need to download the file, but those are fairly minor factors that will not substantially alter the result.

    4. Re:Users only infringe *once* per file by Dr+Damage+I · · Score: 2, Insightful

      In order to understand this portion of the ruling, one must assume that the judge is not referring to persons making the file available, but to persons downloading the file. Which makes sense, because otherwise you end up double counting many times over: Once you start counting uploads, you multiply the total number of violations without increasing the number of copies being made.

      Suppose you have 1 file, 10 persons making copies and one person seeding the file (A highly simplified example for the sake of argument). if you count only downloads, you have 10 infringements: equal to the number of copies being made of the file. I assume that the recording companies would like to count uploads as well, including partial uploads. In which case, each person downloading the file would also be uploading portions of the file to up to 9 other people for a potential maximum of 110 infringements (the seeding user uploads to 10 people, each downloader downloads 1 time and uploads to as many as 9 people) where only 10 copies of the file were actually made. A fairly bizarre outcome IMO.

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    5. Re:Users only infringe *once* per file by wvmarle · · Score: 2, Insightful

      In my opinion, making available is close to publishing. It is surely debatable whether "making available" is copyright infringement. I think the consensus here is that "publishing" a work that you have no copyright (license) of is copyright infringement. Then the question is how would "making available" differ from "publishing", and how would this clear one from infringement?

      If I were to take a book (which is under copyright, and not mine) and make a dozen copies of that. As long as I keep those in my house and do not show it to anyone, it may fall under "fair use" depending on your jurisdiction. Actually probably this is already infringement but that's besides the point.

      Now I go sit on a busy street corner, with those books on a table in front of me, for anyone who comes by to take a copy from me. I allow them, do not charge for the paper and printing cost or anything, that's my decision. Is this publishing or making available? What if no-one takes a copy, am I suddenly clear of copyright infringement?

      Similar for when I would take this book, scan it electronically, make a torrent out of it, and publish it on a torrent site. Am I merely making it available? Am I publishing? And if so: what is the difference between "making available" and "publishing"?

    6. Re:Users only infringe *once* per file by shadowbearer · · Score: 2, Interesting

        What does it matter? There is no possible way that all the uploaders or downloaders can be prosecuted in the court systems, even globally; and as the internet continues to expand, the "problem" is only going to get more complicated (worse, from the copyright holders perspectives)

        Even assuming the courts don't have better things to do... sooner or later, the courts are going to have to acknowledge that it's an unsolvable problem.

        From a technical standpoint, this issue was done and over with more than a quarter of a century ago (ie, there is never going to be any human-derived copyright protection system that can't be broken by someone smarter or more determined ). That the argument continues to get worse now says a lot more about our society and culture than it does about the technical problems.

        So let's just leave the technical side out of it already! Sheese... this has been said millions of times...

      SB
        (Master of restating the obvious, but obviously someone has to do it... again)

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    7. Re:Users only infringe *once* per file by Kjella · · Score: 2, Interesting

      What does it matter? There is no possible way that all the uploaders or downloaders can be prosecuted in the court systems, even globally; and as the internet continues to expand, the "problem" is only going to get more complicated (worse, from the copyright holders perspectives)

      Because they will try very hard to make unreasonable allegations against each person, and unreasonable damages for each alleged infringement. Giving people 100,000$ in a speeding ticket because they don't catch 99% of those speeding wouldn't be justice, it'd be law enforcement by terror. The copyright industry is dying the death of a thousand needles, and would like each needle to count as murder.

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  15. Re:Sentator Conroy by MichaelSmith · · Score: 2, Insightful

    No. Conroy is a tool. Getting rid of him won't change the underlying problem.

  16. The best quote of the ruling by tick-tock-atona · · Score: 4, Interesting

    To use the rather colourful imagery that internet piracy conjures up in a highly imperfect analogy, the file being shared in the swarm is the treasure, the BitTorrent client is the ship, the .torrent file is the treasure map, The Pirate Bay provides treasure maps free of charge and the tracker is the wise old man that needs to be consulted to understand the treasure map.

    http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/cases/cth/FCA/2010/24.html

  17. How many bytes in a Megabyte? by criminy · · Score: 2, Funny

    63. As an aside, a ‘byte’ is a term that refers to a certain amount of data, namely 8 ‘bits’. A bit is either a zero or a one, given that computers compute by means of binary code. A ‘kilobyte’ is 1024 bytes, a ‘megabyte’ is 1024 kilobytes and a ‘gigabyte’ is 1024 megabytes.

    Let the flamewar begin...

  18. Re:Please mod this up by inKubus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    iNet has no control over BitTorrent system and [is] not responsible for BitTorrent system.

    To define it as a system is interesting, when it's really a "society". Bittorrent is simply the protocol of the society of people who wish to acquire media on the internet in a free (not as in beer) manner. If the media companies could provide a way to allow people to pay a reasonable licensing fee by choice for the content they provide then people would use it. Unfortunately the vast majority of people don't feel the content is worth what they charge. But the same individuals are also motivated by social pressure to watch the content, pressure that is created by the media advertising. So they make us want the content, but then don't provide it at a reasonable cost. This causes humans to naturally seek the path of least resistance, even if it means bending a few "laws" that are out of date and not really even relevant any more. Media would love to be drug pushers and they really are to a certain extent. Where it breaks down is that they create demand and are unable to provide supply therefore the free market takes over and makes it available. There is only one solution, to stop making the content, or to form a police state that regulates the content for the companies. Neither are a viable solution for anyone. Their profits will plummet in either situation. So what will happen is that there will be more consolidation in the industry, less competition, and only the company that can make content people want for as cheaply as possible will succeed. It looks like iTunes was a pretty good first guess. People will pay $1 for things if it's convenient. I don't see the industry going out of it's way to increase the convenience of acquiring their content so likely they will fold and the people who actually make the content will have to find a new way make it cheaply and get it to the customer.

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  19. Re:Please mod this up by NoMaster · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If you read the ruling (I'm ~ 1/2 way through it now), he defines it as a 'system' primarily in order to distinguish BitTorrent (the whole kit & caboodle) from BitTorrent (the protocol), BitTorrent Inc. (the company), and various BitTorrent clients (which, to quote from para 60, "include Vuze, and, rather confusingly, the BitTorrent Client, which is the BitTorrent client of BitTorrent Inc."). In doing so, he nicely separates the technical, legal, and 'social' aspects - and decides purely on the legalities.

    (Yeah, 'social' in quotes - look, I'm old, so personally I'd argue against BT being some sort of expression of a proto techno-utopian society. I don't get Facebook or Twitter either ;-)

    Read the whole thing - it's remarkably easy to read (as decisions from Australian courts often are), well explained, and the decision is well thought out and justified.

    There's plenty of wry giggles to be found in there too - his explanation of the whole studio / AFACT / MPA / MPAA relationship, his respectful smackdown of many of AFACT's claims & arguments, and more - plus some interesting points regarding related issues such as the number of infringing copies each user is responsible for (hint: not as many as the MPAA / RIAA likes to usually claim).

    In short, this is a guy who either had a good handle on the tech beforehand, or has listened well to both the technical and legal arguments of both sides, and has ruled based on both the way the tech works and the law.

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  20. Meanwhile in another court in Oz... by knarf · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ...a deaf judge seems to have presided over a case against Men at Work in which it is claimed that their song 'Down Under' plagiarizes a song from 1935 named 'Kookaburra Sits in the Old Gum Tree'. I listened to that song. It is nothing at all like the flute riff in 'Down Under'. Still... They Won. What do you think?

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  21. Re:Please mod this up by GooberToo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    allow people to pay a reasonable licensing fee by choice for the content they provide

    This is a straw man used time and time again. Even several studies prove otherwise. People steal just because they can and its usually driven by a sense of self entitlement. In other words, you have it, I want it, therefore you should give it to me, without any regard for its cost. Why pay $0.99 for a song when I'm not only entitled to it, but can receive that entitlement for free?

    At the end of the day, people are stealing because they can and the price is seemingly not an issue. And saying they wouldn't have otherwise payed for it is also a straw man as most studies indicate somewhere between 10%-25% who stole it would have otherwise purchased it. And for smaller businesses, taking a loss of 10%-25% can be a make or break deal. While not in any studies I've read, I strongly suspect that if the sense of self entitlement were addressed, that percentage would likely rise.

  22. Re:Please mod this up by IndustrialComplex · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Not until the copyright expires. I have no problem with reasonable copyright terms but this is yet another straw man as its completely orthogonal to the issue at hand. Excessive copyright terms are not justification to steal something today. So contrary to your flawed assertion, no you absolutely are not entitled to it as you see fit, on your terms and no other.

    You are also using terms like stealing which I believe implies a more extreme form of infringement (deliberately taking another's work and then reproducing it for sale), so your standards and my standards are different.

    I simply view the current copyright laws as a breach of the social contract and since I don't have the pockets to fix it, or the time/money to push something like that to the supreme court, Perhaps if my hardware wasn't intentionally crippled in order to prevent something that I wasn't doing in the first place. It has just reached the point where I simply have no care for it anymore. At least not in the state it is in now. As you have these companies lobbying to have a system instituted whereby people's Right to Free Speech can be stripped under very light judicial oversight... again, I simply refuse to honor it anymore.

    Much as if I saw someone smoking Marijuana. I don't care if it is illegal, the government is in the wrong trying to enforce such laws and I can not in good conscience support the prosecution of such 'crimes'. I don't personally do it as I have other motivations and reasonings, but I'd abstain from supporting any efforts to prosecute.

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