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Murdoch Says E-Book Prices Will Kill Paper Books

hrimhari writes "The settlement between Amazon and Macmillian got the attention of a known dinosaur. Consistent to his views, Mr. Murdoch wants to defend his book editors by killing the cheaper solution. '"We don't like the Amazon model of selling everything at $9.99," Murdoch said. "They pay us the wholesale price of $14 or whatever we charge," he said. "But I think it really devalues books, and it hurts all the retailers of the hardcover books.'"

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  1. This just in... by Jorgandar · · Score: 5, Insightful

    another old wrinkly dinosaur doesn't like change! news at 11.

    1. Re:This just in... by shmlco · · Score: 5, Informative

      The following book price breakdown from Kindle Review (http://ireaderreview.com/2009/05/03/book-cost-analysis-cost-of-physical-book-publishing/) is instructional:

      Book Retail Price: $27.95.
      Retailer (discount, staffing, rent, etc.) - $12.58. That's 45%.
      Author Royalties - $4.19. Exactly 15%.
      Wholesaler - $2.80. Exactly 10%.
      Pre-production (Publisher) - $3.55. That's 12.7%.
      Printing (Publisher) - $2.83. Translates to 10.125%.
      Marketing (Publisher) - $2. That's approximately 7.15%.

      Basically the numbers of interest are the retailer (45%), printing (just 10%), and the wholesaler (10%). So it's fairly easy to see that online books can dump wholesaling and printing costs... but that's just 20%, or $6. Retailer costs can drop, but most retailers still need to make a profit, even selling ebooks (servers cost money).

      Given the breakdown, I can see how a publisher might charge Amazon $15 for a first-run book, and how Amazon might decide to eat the $5 (for first run books) if it means gaining ebook market share and if it also encourages people to buy older books on which they DO make money. And sells the occasional Kindle.

      And if you think Amazon would not decide to lose some money now in order to build up market share, then you're completely forgetting how Amazon became Amazon in the first place.

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    2. Re:This just in... by beh · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Murdoch is not simply the old dinosaur; this is merely another case of one form of extremism (loads of cheap ebooks) begets another (kill ebooks).

      Both models have their place, or in the words of Thomas Edison

      "We will make electricity so cheap that only the rich will burn candles."

      Personally, I can't wait to find a decent ebook reader - don't like what I have seen in the Sony ones available in Europe. Might go for the iPad instead. But on the other hand, I still want paper books - I find there is something very calming in holding and reading a paper book, on a medium where you neither have to worry about power (eventually) running out, nor do you have the temptation of quite as easily switching back and forth between different books, ... It's more effort to change the (physical) book, and hence I find it more likely to actually stick to it. For work-related/reference books I want the ebook reader, for novels etc. I don't.
      But unlike Murdoch (or people wishing the end of paper books), I won't go for eliminating either form, as I can see the advantages of both.

      Not mentioned that often in the context of ebooks - I remember reading a short story as part of my school English lessons, which seemed to predict 'ebooks' - and it was written in the 50s: Isaac Asimov's The Fun They Had ( http://users.aber.ac.uk/dgc/funtheyhad.html )

    3. Re:This just in... by Eivind · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Absolutely. Books are here to stay.

      His real problem is a different one. With ebooks, many of the people living in the ecosystem BETWEEN the author and the reader are superfluous with ebooks.

      If I like Neil Gaiman, and I read his blog. And he makes a new book, which is a pdf.

      What do the two of us need anyone else for ? I can send him some cash, he can send me the book, end of story.

      That's not an ending that Mr. Murdoch likes though, because it makes him irrelevant.

  2. "Murdoch Wants" by plover · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Well hell, there's reason enough for me to oppose whatever else is in the paragraph below, never mind TFA.

    However, upon reading TFA I learned that he owns HarperCollins. So there's another publisher I don't need to feel bad about ignoring.

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    1. Re:"Murdoch Wants" by drinkypoo · · Score: 5, Informative

      To those who modded this Flamebait: Ten media conglomerates control over 75% of the media in the U.S.A., and over 50% of the media in the world. But Fox "News" viewers are some of the worst-informed Americans. Who do we blame but the CEO? And why would we believe different standards would apply to any other media under his control?

      As an aside, I was asked to download comment.pl the first time I clicked reply. Then I got a reset connection. Finally, I got a reply form. Coincidence? :)

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    2. Re:"Murdoch Wants" by drinkypoo · · Score: 5, Funny

      LOL at random idiot #105,908

      You got my UID wrong.

      who thinks that Fox is biased

      You think it isn't?

      and yet I'm sure that CBS, CNN, and MSNBC are somehow great news organizations.

      Well, then you're not paying attention to my comment; please see my sig. CBS, CNN, and MSNBC are also all owned by one of these megacorporations.

      Let me guess, registered Democrat?

      Strike four, you must not be playing baseball or you'd already have been out. I'm a registered member of the Scorched Earth Party.

      Yours shall, I hope, be the only troll comment to which I reply, mostly because you're logged in, and most of the others are anonymous cowards. Plus, yours seemed like the most fun to poop on.

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    3. Re:"Murdoch Wants" by demonlapin · · Score: 5, Interesting

      And yet, those who watched the O'Reilly Factor were broadly comparable (51% vs 54% max of any show) in percent of viewers who scored "high", and did better than NPR listeners (mid vs low categories). The show with the greatest percentage of "low" scorers was... the Jim Lehrer NewsHour. The lowest scorer among "high knowledge" was... network news. In fact, O'Reilly's viewers had the smallest percentage with a "low" knowledge of any source whatsoever.

      In other words, news junkies are better informed about various political hot topics (because that's what the survey measured) than people who don't give a damn, and the show that they watch is pretty much irrelevant. If you don't like Fox's opinionists, watch CNN. And vice versa. Odds are, you'll be just as well informed.

  3. 9.99 isn't CHEAP for an ebook you don't own by jaymz666 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You don't own the book, you can't sell it, you can't loan it and you can't donate it to a library. The paperback edition will eventually cost less than the 9.99 to 14.99 that Macmillan wants to charge. They need to enter the real world where you can go to a used bookstore a couple of months after a book is published and get it for less than their ebook prices.

  4. Competition by blugu64 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "But I think it really devalues books, and it hurts all the retailers of the hardcover books.'"

    No kidding. Competition is funny that way.

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  5. Prices by Telvin_3d · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is a preemptive reply to the ten million people who are about to post variations on the following theme
    "e-books should only cost a few dollars because they don't have the cost of printing/shipping/storing a book"

    This is wrong.

    This is wrong because actually printing a book is the smallest cost involved in making one. When you look at the price of, say, a $35 hardcover book perhaps $4 is physical costs. Almost all of the cost of a book is the cost of paying the author/editor/proofreader plus the retail markup. These costs remain the same regardless of format.

    And you will note that I have not mentioned publisher's profit. That's because there basically isn't one. Publishing is notorious for having no profit margin. Always has been. It was famous for not making money a century ago, famous for it fifty years ago and still a great way to get well known while losing money today. Publishing is not the music industry and it is not the movie industry. Almost all the profit is spent in up-front costs before the product even hits the streets.

    Because of this, publishing has always had a very sane pricing policy. First they publish the hardcover for a high price point. Everyone who can't wait to read it buys it. Then if it is popular enough to pay off the costs six months or a year later they produce a softcover for $10 to pick up everyone who didn't want it enough to pay the hardcover costs.

    Now, this doesn't mesh very well with the electronic music or video markets which is why Amazon tries to run with a fixed price point. But that's a nuts way of doing things when you are talking about books. Doesn't work because it doesn't pay off the fixed costs involved in paying the people who produce the books.

    So, really, a fair e-book price is about $5 less than whatever it is selling for on the shelf. When a book first comes out that means $30-$40. A year or so later $6 is pretty likely. If you can't stand waiting don't bitch about the higher price.

    For a real understanding, check out this post from John Scalzi (author) that is really fantastic
    http://whatever.scalzi.com/2010/01/30/a-quick-note-on-ebook-pricing/

  6. Re:Just let Ebooks die already by LordLucless · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Huh? Why do eBooks necessitate DRM in your mind? I've got plenty of eBooks that aren't restricted. And you suggest using PDFs instead. Why don't PDFs count as eBooks? Because they're in your preferred format? PDFs are absolutely useless to read unless you've got a device that will display the whole rendered with of the PDF legibly. Much more useful are formats that allow text re-flowing so you read them on mobile devices with smaller screen-widths.

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  7. Re:More context for that study. by DrJimbo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The study shows that people who get most of their news from Fox News are about as poorly informed as people who get their news from blogs and you don't see that as devastating indictment of Fox New?

    Blogs are almost by definition sources of opinion, not news. There is a big difference between the two. If they called it "Fox Televised Blogs" or "Fox Biased Opinions" then I would feel that they were being fair (in their title) but unbalanced. What is most irksome is that they are calling it news when it is actually opinions and propaganda.

    I don't see how the context you provide makes it "not nearly as bad". The bottom of the pile is people who get no (non-local) news at all. The next rung up is people who get one-sided versions from blogs and Fox News and then above that is people who get their news from quasi-legitimate news sources.

    At least Fox is rather blatant about being totally corporate controlled. The other so-called news sources, NYT, CBS, CNN, MSNBC, etc. are also corporate controlled but they are just a bit more subtle about it. I haven't looked at the study but I don't consider anyone who gets their news solely from American mainstream media to be well informed.

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