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Robotic Audi To Brave Pikes Peak Without a Driver

Scifi83 writes "A team of researchers at the Center for Automotive Research at Stanford (CARS) has filled the trunk of an Audi TTS with computers and GPS receivers, transforming it into a vehicle that drives itself. The car will attempt Pikes Peak without a driver at race speeds, something that's never been done."

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  1. I, for one by electricbern · · Score: 3, Funny

    would like to welcome our robotic driver overlords.

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    1. Re:I, for one by Hognoxious · · Score: 2, Funny

      In Soviet Russia, robotic driver overlords welcome YOU!!!!

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  2. Explanation by OpenSourced · · Score: 5, Funny

    The researchers have programmed Shelley to handle like a racecar by using a set of computer calculations called algorithms

    Ha! So that's how they did it! Quite simple, really, once you know the trick.

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    1. Re:Explanation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      damn it! why didn't anyone tell me about these "algorithms" before? They sound so useful!

    2. Re:Explanation by whopub · · Score: 5, Funny

      Truth is, it's probable just The Stig in the trunk, with a laptop.

    3. Re:Explanation by tool462 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Bah. "Algorithm" is just doublespeak for "Mechanical Turk."

      Some say he can steer a car just by thinking evasive thoughts.
      And if he turns the wheel, the road will slide easily underneath his car like a waitress with Tiger Woods.
      All I know is that it'll be driven by The Stig.

    4. Re:Explanation by cmiller173 · · Score: 2

      While the algorithms that make it handle like a racecar seem interesting I'm more concerned about the algorithms for emotion, I mean the headline says this driver-less car will "brave" Pikes Peak. How exactly is the bravery implemented? What if next it decides to "brave" global domination?

    5. Re:Explanation by MaWeiTao · · Score: 5, Informative

      The car is named after Michèle Mouton, her nickname apparently was Shelley, the most successful female rally driver to date. Apparently she's considered the most successful female driver in all of motorsports. And it just so happens she drove Audi's and she was the first woman to win the Pikes Peak hill climb. I'd say that's a far more appropriate reference than anything from Asimov.

    6. Re:Explanation by Chris+Burke · · Score: 4, Funny

      How exactly is the bravery implemented? What if next it decides to "brave" global domination?

      Don't worry! The scientists have that covered.

      To have bravery, you first must have fear. So the first and most difficult step was to program the car to be afraid all the time. Then, to get bravery, they simply program it to ignore its fear when it's driving up Pike's Peak.

      The rest of the time it's a total scaredy-car. If you think it's trying to dominate the globe, just shout "boo!" at it and it'll drive off to cower in the corner and cry.

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    7. Re:Explanation by EsbenMoseHansen · · Score: 2, Informative

      Top Female Driver?

      Where does that put her overall?

      Well, she won something, came second in something else and then quit due to rule changes. But please, read the article already.

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    8. Re:Explanation by yachius · · Score: 2, Informative
    9. Re:Explanation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      some people feel the need to bring political bashing into every conversation. How useless!

  3. Note to Self by Kozar_The_Malignant · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Observe trials from uphill side of road.

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    1. Re:Note to Self by nacturation · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Observe trials from uphill side of road.

      No kidding. If ever a story deserved a "whatcouldpossiblygowrong" tag...

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    2. Re:Note to Self by couchslug · · Score: 4, Funny

      "Observe trials from uphill side of road."

      It's an Audi, not a Toyota!

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  4. PP is an exciting road by smellsofbikes · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Having raced up Pikes Peak myself, I think this is pretty impressive. The road surface varies from almost-pavement-quality treated packed dirt, to completely loose gravel on rut-filled rock, with (as I recall) an average 10% climb. It'd be a great test ground for offroad stuff at a slow speed with nobody else on the road, but doing it at full speed requires a *lot* more than just the ability to see where the roadway is: giving a robot the ability to keep a fast car from skidding/sliding on loose gravel on an off-camber turn appears to me to be a wholly different type of challenge than previous autonomous driving projects.

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    1. Re:PP is an exciting road by Tiger4 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Rapid reaction time, good slide slip sensors, and some great counterintuitive steering routines are all going to be essential if this is going to be "at race speeds". Good trained drivers screw this kind of thing up all the time. A robot can be programmed to be repeatable, but is this one flexible enough to conditions to be fast AND safe?

      Look out below!

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    2. Re:PP is an exciting road by smellsofbikes · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I did it once on a motorcycle back in the mid-1980's and then a couple more times on a bicycle in the mid-90's. (Not that it's worth anything to anyone else but I managed to beat a bunch of pro racers in one of the bike races. The only way you can legally bike up PP is during the race, since it's closed to bicycles the rest of the year.)

      It might not just be economics: there is an enormous amount of environmental damage done by maintaining a high-altitude, high-traffic dirt road. The city of Colorado Springs was complaining about debris, from the hundreds of tons of gravel and fill dumped on the road every year to try and keep it passable, getting into streams that feed into Colorado Springs. I don't think they were part of its water source, but they do flow down into the city.

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  5. meh by OglinTatas · · Score: 4, Funny

    I already saw this on Speed Racer.
    Spoiler Alert!
    Speed wins the race anyway, and helps Inspector Detector catch the nefarious people behind the robot car

  6. W1N vs. FA1L by S-4'N3 · · Score: 4, Funny

    I am not certain what will be more astonishing: watching this succeed or watching it fail.

    1. Re:W1N vs. FA1L by Carik · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Easy. Watching it succeed will be more astonishing.

      Watching it fail will be more entertaining (assuming some safety precautions preventing anyone from being killed).

    2. Re:W1N vs. FA1L by Chris+Burke · · Score: 4, Funny

      (assuming some safety precautions preventing anyone from being killed).

      Good point!

      The summary only says that the car won't have a driver. I hope they remember to have the passengers get out, too!

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    3. Re:W1N vs. FA1L by Chris+Burke · · Score: 2, Funny

      That's a computer?!

      Then what's the thing that balances my checkbook and snorts all my coke?!

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  7. Yikes! by neiras · · Score: 3, Funny

    The researchers have programmed Shelley to handle like a racecar by using a set of computer calculations called algorithms

    See what happens when you let Liberal Arts majors playing journalist direct the public's understanding of technical things?

    Soon: "John's car rolled out of his driveway all by itself and hit a fire hydrant, honey! He should sue General Motors for faulty algorithms!"

  8. Current achievements? by BoppreH · · Score: 2, Funny

    Shelley has reached speeds of 130 miles per hour without a driver on testing grounds at the Bonneville Salt Flats in Utah.

    I could do much better with a brick.

    1. Re:Current achievements? by BoppreH · · Score: 3, Funny

      You know, you could just put the brick ON THE PEDAL OF THE CAR.

      Given a straight and long enough track, of course.

  9. Re:They can try Mt. Washington Auto Road next by jnaujok · · Score: 3, Informative

    But does Mount Washington have an annual, scheduled race period where the road is closed to everyone except racers? The Pikes Peak Hill Climb is one of the oldest auto races in the world and has been held for close to 100 years.

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  10. Re:Audi?! by Tiger4 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Audi, specifically Audi Quattros, have been rally car favorites for years. Big engine, good tranny, four wheel drive. There are a lot of people that know how to get them running well, and the cars are built well to do the job.

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  11. Obligatory AWESOME PP Video by imaswinger · · Score: 5, Informative

    Ari Vatanen racing up pike's peak: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKgeCQGu_ug

  12. Re:They can try Mt. Washington Auto Road next by necro81 · · Score: 2, Informative

    The biggest event on the Mt Washington auto road is actually a running race held each summer. It's an intermediate distance road race - about 8 miles (12.7 km) long. But it's uphill all the way: there's 4600 ft (1400 m) of elevation gain, which tends to make it feel more like a half marathon. Also, it's held on the mountain that claims to have the "world's worst weather." It is not atypical for the course start to have temperatures in a 60s at the start of the race under clear skies, only to have the runners finish in near-freezing temperatures, fog, and 50 knot winds.

    In spite of that, the winner of the race generally can finish in only one hour. Last year's winner made it in just under an hour.

  13. Hill climbing algorithm by wurtwurt · · Score: 2, Funny

    My understanding is that this is generally solved but doesn't really lead to anything interesting unless you know the right formulas for the for the domain. Any news on whether they got passed formula 1?

  14. Re:Mount Evans Road by Clomer · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I've never been on Mt. Evans, but being from Colorado Springs (at the base of Pikes Peak), I have driven up Pikes Peak. Not as a racer, mind you, just as a tourist, in my '02 Saturn SL2.

    It's not a simple road. Even going slowly, you definitely have to pay attention. Lots of loose gravel and dirt where a moments inattention can result in a skid where you go driving right off the side of the mountain. And as others have pointed out, the difference in elevation wreaks havoc on engine efficiency - going from about 8000 feet elevation at the toll gate to just over 14000 feet at the summit, my car was noticeably more sluggish near the top than it usually is (Colorado Springs, where I do most of my driving, averages at about 6500 feet). As an indication of the hazards of the road, every once in a while there is a local news report of someone driving off the road to their doom.

    Every summer, there is an organized race up the mountain, the Annual Pikes Peak Hill Climb. I assume that this robot will be doing its thing during that race. I look forward to hearing about how well it does.

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  15. Re:Audi?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Big engine, good tranny, four wheel drive.

    I'll thank you to leave my mother/father out of this.

  16. Re:They can try Mt. Washington Auto Road next by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Sounds like a PERFECT time to unleash an autonomous racing vehicle.

    Especially if the goal is AI research. We have chess-playing computers, we need GTA-playing computers.

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  17. Re:Bravery by Fnord666 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It seems like it would be braver to have no driver but still have a passenger.

    Maybe they could require the development team to ride along. I'll bet the quality of the code would go way up.

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  18. Re:Time to market by clonan · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This is GPS navigation only. The article makes no mention of visual processing. Without much better "eyes" these cars will just run you over follwoing the map....

    This is only safe because it is a closed road.

  19. Re:Audi?! by MechaStreisand · · Score: 2, Interesting

    You let the engine destroy itself rather than turning off the ignition? Interesting choice.

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  20. Re:Audi?! by moosesocks · · Score: 2, Informative

    From what I remember, 4Motion does not necessarily refer to an AWD system with a torsen differential, although this has been the case in several instances (VW have also used a viscous coupling for AWD). Quattro, on the other hand, refers to a very specific set of technologies.

    As far as the engines go, Audi make one of the better (if not the best) 2 Liter engines out there. They put most V6s to shame.

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