India Ditches UN Climate Change Group

Several readers have told us that the Indian Government is moving to establish its own group to address the science of climate change since it "cannot rely" on the official United Nations panel. "The move is a severe blow to the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) following the revelation parts of its 3000 page 2007 report on climate science was not subjected to peer review. A primary claim of the report was the Himalayan glaciers could disappear by 2035, but the claim was not repeated in any peer-reviewed studies and rebuffed by scientists. India's environment minister Jairam Ramesh announced that the Indian government will established a separate National Institute of Himalayan Glaciology to monitor climate change in the region. 'There is a fine line between climate science and climate evangelism,' Ramesh said. 'I am for climate science.'"

Comments

Re:A couple errors in a 3,000 page document

[Rei]

Wow! That'd be such a zinger if I hadn't repeatedly written "a couple errors". If I had written "a single error", I would be so dissed right now!

These reports are NOT peer reviewed science and DO NOT belong in the IPCC report, which claims to be properly peer reviewed.

You know, do you ever bother to check any of this stuff out by yourself?

I just went to the reports and loaded what is probably the most important from a scientific perspective -- Ch. 2: Changes in Atmospheric Constituents and in Radiative Forcing (the Summary for Policymakers is just a summary of the technical reports, in plain English, and doesn't do refs on its own). If you read Watts, this is all based on WWF reports. Load it. Search for WWF. And enjoy your zero hits. The references run from pages 89 to 106, hundreds of them in this single document alone, and not a single one of them is from the WWF.

Re:It's shitty science, Rei.

[Bemopolis]

Yes, we've studied the Sun intently. Is that supposed to mean that we have a complete understanding of its effect on the climate? Really? Do you honestly think we have all the answers now? That we're even close to having all the answers?

You're so right! I'll make a deal with you — if I admit that science doesn't fully understand gravity, will you can go jump of a goddam cliff?

Sorry — I ran out of polite the first twenty times I saw this retarded argument for doing fucking nothing.

IPCC is not science

[Coolhand2120]

"Why should I make the data available to you, when your aim is to try and find something wrong with it"
-Prof. Jones CRU

The reason people are skeptical of the science of global warming and IPCC is because it is not science. From Wikipedia "scientific method".

Sometimes experimenters may make systematic errors during their experiments, unconsciously veer from a scientific method (Pathological science) for various reasons, or, in rare cases, deliberately falsify their results. Consequently, it is a common practice for other scientists to attempt to repeat the experiments in order to duplicate the results, thus further validating the hypothesis.

Opinion:
Mann, Jones and their cronies have done everything possible to hide the data they used to produce their theories. They have actively set out to destroy documentation and raw data in order to deny anyone who many disagree with them the opportunity to review their work (their words, not mine). Even if they were correct, their theory cannot be taken on their honor alone. If their results were reproducible or maybe even if they publicized their methods that would bring them closer to actual science. But they do not and will not, viz. what they are up to is not science.

Here's the problem

[presidenteloco]

Global warming is happening.

Our fossil fuel emissions are unbalancing the system by a small percentage and causing it.

We are too stupid/greedy to change our ways. (Our emissions growth is still accelerating.)

The United States of America leads the world in this greed, and in the stupidity of
its mainstream population on this issue. But that should not surprise us. A large majority
of its population believes in God and Jesus, and a majority probably don't believe in
evolution.

In 200 years, those people who denied the problem, denied our responsibility, and
prevented necessary changes will be seen as criminals.

I already see you that way.

Well I hope Jesus saves you, because you are incapable of saving yourselves
or the other peoples of the world whose world you are wrecking, or the ecosystems
of the world you are the leaders at destroying.

Yeah. This one gets under my collar. If there was a rational species around here
I would join them.