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Apple's Change of Heart On Flash

Dotnaught writes "In a blog post, Walter Luh, co-founder of Ansca Mobile and a former employee of both Apple and Adobe, recounts how Apple once promoted Flash on the iPhone then changed its mind because Flash didn't provide the optimal mobile user experience. 'I think that Apple came to the same conclusion I've come to — namely that Flash has its strengths, but not when it comes to creating insanely great mobile experiences,' he writes. Luh's piece ends with a pitch for mobile development using the Corona SDK, a Lua-based programming environment that strives to recapture the simplicity of early versions of Flash."

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  1. Re:Try streaming live video... by Midnight+Thunder · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ... to a mobile device, without using Flash. Go on, try it. I'm waiting.

    In that case I imagining the existence of solutions for the iPhone that do just that. France24, YouTube and StreamToMe being three examples. I can concede there is room for improvement, but there are solutions, if the installed customer base is of interest to you.

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  2. Re:Try streaming live video... by MichaelSmith · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Live streaming using H.264 seemed to work just dandy watching the State of the Union address on my iPhone while using the Whitehouse.gov iPhone app. Also seems to work great with MLB At-Bat on the iPhone as well. I watched many baseball games last season streaming live H.264 video to the iPhone.

    But can you do it with a generic app which will connect to any server?

  3. If Apple Really Cared... by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If Apple really cared about empowering the user in the style, manner, and spirit of their legendary 1984 commercial, they would make Flash available -- or rather allow Adobe to make it available -- on the iPhone, Touch, and iPad, and allow the user to decide which user experiences work best for them.

    Apple only cares about profits and control these days, having become the very thing they once railed against.

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  4. Control freaks by heffrey · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why can't they let us decide?!

  5. Re:Flash is not designed with mobiles in mind by beakerMeep · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What a strange comment, you just make larger buttons for a finger to press them. The same way all interfaces work on a mobile platforms.

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  6. The optimal mobile experience for Apple by DrXym · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Is one where everyone buys their content through Apple's store. That's it.

    It's no wonder that Flash which acts as a gateway to a mass of free content from across the world might be considered "non optimal". After all, Apple has to think of the poor consumers who would be "confused" by all the choice that countless non-Apple alternatives would cause.

  7. Re:Adobe Flash will die by sakdoctor · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Nah. This isn't the first time some non-free stuff hasn't mixed well with Linux. Oil and water man.

    Let's see, there's libdvdcss, most wireless drivers until very recently, had to be fetched using some sketchy cutter tool. Flash gets fetched from gawd knows where by the flashplugin-nonfree package,
    People who use firefox or linux will tolerate a little configuration pain, even if the codec has to come from a warez server in Russia.

    I personally wish we didn't all walk into yet another propitiatory format though, because it's just history repeating itself.

  8. You dont get the point by nurb432 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Having old hardware should NOT be an issue when you are hitting a web page.

    And its not just flash that is the issue. The entire mindset you just displayed is the core of the problem.

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  9. It's not just Flash, but all virtual machines by Adrian+Lopez · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The true reason why Apple won't allow Flash to run on the iPad is the same as the reason why they won't allow any standalone emulators into the App Store: it doesn't want software running on these platforms that they haven't specifically approved. Everything else is just them rationalizing their basic prohibition on virtual machines.

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  10. Because that's how Apple works by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 3, Insightful

    They have long been a "We know what's best for you," company. They decide what experiences they want to offer the user, and the user has very little choice in the matter. They tell you what you want, you just have to go along with it. If you don't like it, you go elsewhere.

    That is one of the primary reasons I don't use Apple products. They don't offer what I want, and don't offer the ability to become what I want. So, I take my cash elsewhere.

  11. Re:Adobe Flash will die not by twidarkling · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Anyone who makes a site completely out of Flash should be _shot_. Repeatedly. In the face and crotch. If I'm using flashblock, I should still be able to see more than a site's copyright notification. Using flash to design a site beyond video is nothing more than ostentatiousness. First you use a little flash for an animated menu. Then you do a little more for a slideshow on the front page. Soon you're serving *all* your content that way, your site takes 30-45 seconds or MORE to load on a broadband connection, and there's a 10 second delay to navigate to a new area on the site. I expect that shit on dial-up, not a 3mbps or more connection. If you can't make a good site without Flash, fucking hire a professional or STAY OFF THE NET.

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  12. Re:Adobe Flash will die by chromatic · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The only reason Firefox can't have h.264 support is because they are 'making a stand'....

    That stand is, of course, H.264 has patent encumbrances which require royalties. How deep are your pockets?