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Studies Find Harm From Cellular and Wi-Fi Signals

Over the years we've discussed the possible health risks of cellphone and other microwave radiation: studies from Israel and Sweden indicating a link between cellphone use and cancer, one from England exonerating cell towers as a cause of "microwave radiation sensitivity," and a recent 30-year Swedish study that found no link to cancer. The question won't go away though. Reader Artifice_Eternity writes "I've always tended to dismiss claims of toxicity from cell phone and Wi-Fi signals as reflecting ignorance about microwave radiation. However, this GQ article cites American and European studies going back decades that have found some level of biological harm caused by these signals. Why haven't they gained more attention? Quoting: 'Industry-funded studies seem to reflect the result of corporate strong-arming. Lai reviewed 350 studies and found that about half showed bioeffects from EM radiation emitted by cell phones. But when he took into consideration the funding sources for those 350 studies, the results changed dramatically. Only 25 percent of the studies paid for by the industry showed effects, compared with 75 percent of those studies that were independently funded.'"

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  1. Anti-science groups fund studies too. by ZuchinniOne · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Although it can be fair to argue about whether or not the industry studies are biased, I think it goes the other way too.

    There are A LOT of people out there who are 'convinced' that cell phones and wi-fi cause cancer. And it doesn't matter how many studies you show them that it doesn't, they just won't believe you.

    And if you consider that many of these so-called 'independent' studies are in fact paid for by fringe anti-science groups, then perhaps their results are aren't as unbiased as they would have you believe.

    1. Re:Anti-science groups fund studies too. by TapeCutter · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "If you could reason with religious people there wouldn't be any religious people" - Hugh Laurie.

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    2. Re:Anti-science groups fund studies too. by gad_zuki! · · Score: 4, Insightful

      >There are A LOT of people out there who are 'convinced' that cell phones and wi-fi cause cancer.

      In fact there are lots of people who claim to show symptoms (dizziness, depression, anxiety, pain, etc) when exposed to wifi or cell radio. The kicker is that they only claim this when they know they are being exposed to wifi/cell, not when they are actually exposed.

      I really think the next version of the DSM should have an entry for 'radio phobia.' These poor people are simply mentally ill and need help from professionals. They dont need bullshit studies validating their illness.

  2. Biased Reports? by amiga3D · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Surely not. People skewing tests in accordance with funding would never happen.

    1. Re:Biased Reports? by samkass · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It took years to uncover the fraud that it was.

      Yeah right, the Big Money Hippies will be exposed for influencing the studies done by the poor little oil and energy conglomerates.

      The fact that you think global warming is a fraud is a good case study in how money can buy science, and can especially buy people's perceptions of science.

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    2. Re:Biased Reports? by demonlapin · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You can believe that the proposed mechanism of global warming is correct and that the earth has gotten warmer - and still believe that a scam was perpetrated upon the public. Because it was.

      When the big names on one side of the debate turn out to be engaged in avoiding freedom-of-information requests, carrying on back-channel actions like squeezing people out of journals, and making ridiculous claims about Himalayan glaciers, it weakens their case. That doesn't mean global warming isn't happening; it's just the story of the boy who cried wolf.

    3. Re:Biased Reports? by TapeCutter · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "When the big names on one side of the debate turn out to be engaged in avoiding freedom-of-information requests, carrying on back-channel actions like squeezing people out of journals, and making ridiculous claims about Himalayan glaciers, it weakens their case. That doesn't mean global warming isn't happening; it's just the story of the boy who cried wolf."

      The fact that climate scientists who are part of the IPCC pointed out the doggy Himalayan paragraph and the IPCC prominently acknowledged the error on thier main report page strengthens their claims of scientific rigour. The rest just feeds the never ending appetite humans have for witch burning and gossip. It doesn't help that we no longer get news and opinion, we get the two rolled together into a multi-channel, multi-media, web-enabled, 24x7 display of ignorance and hubris.

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    4. Re:Biased Reports? by joocemann · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The fact that you think global warming is a real is a good case study in how money can buy science, and can especially buy people's perceptions of science.

      See? Two can play that game.

      Lol. The odds that money bought off pretty much all of the relevantly educated people in the field... as compared to having bought the very few fringe-skeptics with relevant educations... is pretty frikking low.

      So low, actually, that there aren't two sides to the game at all.

      But, just as your skepticism is fueled, any discussion or argument that doesn't agree with your preconceived beliefs will not suffice. Your disbelief = your god = your faith. Good luck with that; I just wish you didn't stand in the way of rational progress and truth in the world.

    5. Re:Biased Reports? by styrotech · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Also, I think you are completely missing the real big money and big power interests behind pushing global warming. Governments are SALIVATING at the proposition of a new way to exercise power over people with all the new carbon regulations.

      Yeah right. How many governments have actually done this so far? Even those commie pinko liberal hippy tax happy eurotrash ones seem to be a bit tardy about this.

      Come on, they've had over 20 years so far to actually do this. It only took a fraction of that time for Warsaw Pact countries to shift from communism to democracies, or the UK to shift from a democracy to a surveillance based police state, or South Africa to dismantle aparthied, or the Chinese to transform into raving captialists etc.

      So far, the main responses from governments seem to be along the lines of pretending it doesn't exist, hoping it goes away, stalling, waiting for everyone else to do something instead, rejecting it outright, or talking big but doing nothing etc etc.

    6. Re:Biased Reports? by styrotech · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So two decades after this thing started hitting the radar and one decade after some major UN agreement was signed, the EC is actually starting to enforce something and dismissing many member states plans for being too loose? And these are the tax happy tree hugging commie states to boot. What jack booted carbon thuggery has the rest of the world been doing to "exercise power over the people"?

      That first decade was spent ignoring the issue, the second was spent bitching about how it would kill everyones economies. And now some limp wristed pinko countries have just implemented namby pamby trading schemes for large emitters because taxes ended up seeming a bit too harsh in the end.

      Wow, you'd think if (as you claim) those nasty governments really had been salivating over their power trips that whole time they could've easily come up with something properly draconian by now. After all, the third reich came and went in less time than that.

      Why would they want to bother with this complicated unpopular science stuff, when they can be more popular by using the terrorist bogeyman to get all the draconian power they want over ordinary people anyway?

  3. Matters not by Ancient_Hacker · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It matters not one whit how many studies show result X. What matters is what is shown by peer-reviewed studies done under controlled circumstances and having a significant sample size.

    For example 100 studies done shoddily using sample sizes of 3, 4, and 6 subjects do not outweigh one ten-year study across 1,000 subjects.

    Now just on general principles, if one watt of radio energy was harmful, you'd think that people like RF welders, tower steeplejacks, plasma researchers, and radar disk repairers wolsd be covered in suppurating pustules. But they're not. Even people whose heads are hit by 100 watts of much stronger photons (sunbathers, cowboys), they do just fine.

    So I suggest you use GQ to check up on the latest fashions, maybe not so much on the best science.

    1. Re:Matters not by ArsonSmith · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "For example 100 studies done shoddily using sample sizes of 3, 4, and 6 subjects do not outweigh one ten-year study across 1,000 subjects."

      Depends. If one of those 100 shoddy studies gets me the $50M research grant and the ten-year study does not then the shoddy study wins.

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  4. If there's an effect, it's small. by Vellmont · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The GQ article with a cell phone next to a pack of cigarettes couldn't be more misleading. We hear about "such and such % increased risk of this", "such and such % increased risk of that". But these numbers are meaningless in assessing behavior changes unless you know the baseline risk.

    So here's some numbers. The article starts off with cigarettes, so what's the risk of lung cancer between smokers and non-smokers?

    Well, according to wikipedia, For Men it's 1.3% for non-smokers, and 17% for smokers. Wow!

    Let's compare that to Brain cancer (all types). According to the National Cancer institute it's .6% for everyone. The Swedish study from 2006 found a 240% increase. So that's 1.44% risk.

    So it seems quite obvious to me that even the most alarming study only showed a small increased health risk from cell phone use, and others have shown none. Compare that to smoking, which has been consistent in showing risk over the years, and an ENORMOUS risk. Oh, and for smoking that's JUST the lung cancer risk. We all should know about the other increased health risks associated with it.

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  5. Re:MODULATIONS ARE EATING MY BRAIN by wizardforce · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If any warming caused by holding a cell phone near your head caused sufficient warming to actually cause damage in the long term, then exercise of any sort would kill you dead a lot quicker than a cell phone could possibly be responsible for. A two or three degree Fahrenheit increase in body temperature is completely normal during exercise and even this is larger than a cell phone is capable of doing.

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  6. Environmentalism is a religion by oldsaint · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "Studies" that are funded or sponsored or promoted by environmental organizations should be taken as expressions of religious dogma, essentially worthless to those who endeavor to understand the underlying issue. Environmental organizations, like religious organizations, perceive themselves as above criticism, and therefore not accountable for the veracity of their proclamations. Commercial organizations might be equally and oppositely dogmatic in their desire for lucre, but tend to have a higher regard for logic, even if they reject it when they can get away with it.

  7. Re:WooHoo! I'm safe! by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    To show how hardcore of a Slashdot reader I am, I will make a homemade pornographic video of myself and a female acquaintance.

    Obviously an imposter.

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  8. Re:"independently funded"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Doesn't work that way. If the photon doesn't have enough energy to put the molecule into a new state, it simply doesn't get absorbed. There's no difference between one not being absorbed and a billion. Saying that more photons = more energy is like saying that if you have a bunch of red lights and point them all at the same place, they turn blue.

  9. Re:WooHoo! I'm safe! by brentonboy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    He was doubting that a hardcore Slashdot reader has any female acquaintances, not that the AC was you.

  10. Re:Confirmation bias. by wizardforce · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Maybe it is because there's quite a few actual scientists in the relevant fields posting on Slashdot. Or maybe it's the fact that you expect people to make decisions solely on whom created the stufy rather than 1) evidence 2) rational explanation of the results. CO2 is a known greenhouse gas and is the major causal agent behind the climate change we're seeing right now. Microwaves OTOH are not capable of breaking molecular bonds found in cells.
     
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  11. Re:Watch the WiFi protesters have a field day by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's hysteria meets technology. Blunt and simple. It's like Brain said when he tried his insurance fraud.

    Brain: I'll claim the microwave made me into what I am today.
    Pinky: Why that?
    Brain: Because nobody knows how it works.

    People don't know how something works, but if hysteria is mixed into it, especially if they're at least a touch hypochondriac, you really have a volatile mix that makes them go ballistic on anything that might have any ill effect on them. Add a bit of "I don't need it and it might have a nonzero chance of harming me, so you must not have it either" and we're set.

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  12. Re:"independently funded"? by Hurricane78 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I have a great PROTIP for everyone out there discussing this topic:

    • As long as you still eat the complete trash you call “food”, with all its extreme quantities of sugar, saturated fats, denatured proteins (!!!) and lacking natural micronutrient combinations...
    • As long as you still breathe car and industry exhaust fumes every day...
    • As long as you still wear clothes and touch furniture with tons of chemicals in them...
    • As long as you still clean your house and your body with tons of unnecessary chemicals...
    • As long as you still sit in sunlight lacking most of the protecting ozone layer...

    ...I suggest you keep your mouth shut and first solve those problems, before trying to look at such comparably insignificant things. :)

    Hmm... Interesting how this is a really good analogy to the “terrorist ‘threat’”, compared to e.g. car accidents, and bad things the own government does...

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