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AU Gov't Still Wants ISPs To Solve Illegal Downloads
bennyboy64 writes "Australia's Minister for Communications wants internet providers and the film industry to sit down and work out a solution to stop illegal movie downloads, despite a judge ruling in favor of an internet provider not being responsible for policing illegal downloads. The film studios first dragged internet provider iiNet into the Federal Court back in November 2008, arguing that the ISP infringed copyright by failing to take reasonable steps — including enforcing its own terms and conditions — to prevent customers from copying films and TV shows over its network."
Flood torrent trackers with episodes of Neighbors.
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that the Australian Government and all the potential murderers and all the potential murder victims sit down and work out a solution to stop murder from ever taking place in Australia.
Let's make grocers responsible for planet-wide obesity.
Lets make foundrys responsible for gun related crime.
Sounds like Australia has a silly tit in office.
Like the old saying goes, and I believe it applies here in spite of its coarseness, "sh*t in one hand, and want in the other, then see which hand fills up first."
*Repent!Quit Your Job!Slack Off!The World Ends Tomorrow and You May Die!
What part of a court ordered "Not My Problem" does the AU politicians not understand about policing illegal downloads?
I dunno, I think the ISPs could use this as leverage against the studios to really pay up. Almost to extortion, but legal.
Want us to police your content, we dont, but if you offer good enough incentive, we might make an effort to work with you, but we dont really have to.
Im a troll because I disagree with you.
It seems that law is not going to deter them from getting their way...
TPM/DRM at the board level and require special clients ( like netzero ) to be inserted into your IP stack. You cant have ANY file that isn't approved by the 'key server'. Even your lowly diary has to be approved, let alone music, books, movies, games, applications. Connect online without your trusty TPM enabled client, you get reported.
Great way to kill off free speech too, that old non DRM'd PDF of Mein Kampf you legally bought off Amazon years ago is no longer permitted, AND you get reported the next time you try to view it off your backup CDROM copy.
---- Booth was a patriot ----
But that very thing is slowly taking place, first in the fast food industry.
---- Booth was a patriot ----
Indeed, Australia, YOU'RE PITIFUL! (scroll down for access to a free and legal copyrighted song).
Why not make the Internet itself illegal! Then they can slowly decriminalize individual ports and protocols with special identifications until they have complete control over everything.
Once that's done, nothing illegal will happen and all their citizens will be happy drones.
You seriously want to put people in jail for copyright infringement? So, someone downloads a 0.99$USD song illegally and you make a government waste thousands of dollars for this person?
It would be less trouble and cost exponentially less for the copyright holder to ask the local government for the retail price of each illegally downloaded copyrighted material than to jail them.
In other words, get real. Copyright infringement doesn't deserve jail nor does it deserve thousands and millions of dollars in damages.
There's also the fact that some things aren't even sold in some markets. So yes there is copyright infringement but no actual loss of sales. So how can there be any monetary damages in these cases?
Australia needs to harden the f*** up!
Government's idea of a balanced budget: take money from the right pocket to balance...oh who am I kidding?
It's not representational government when you blindly push your personal agenda against the objections of just about every stakeholder and expert in the system.
I wish Steven Conroy would hurry up and get caught looking at naughty pics of Miranda Kerr on the (uncensored) Internet during a newscast and fired, so the free world can stop giggling at all these Australian human rights violations and we can all get back to being the relaxed outback heroes people used to think of us as.
Since there is no need for a plastic disk, box, paper cover, physical transportation, guarding, air-conditioning, etc. the price of a movie via download should be really attractive.
But I cannot find a place to download movies and serials legally an conveniently. I saw some sites but they often say that this movie is not for a download in your country. Or a price is really expensive.
Would it have been possible to forbid cars on early 20th century? It seems that it wouldn't, but there are Amish people who still do not use cars in their villages and towns.
Maybe the Internet without movies and serials downloads is also possible. Sort of an Amish Internet.
Why should the ISPs enter into talks when they've already won in court?
Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others.
...seems to be what saved this ISP in court.
For reasons other than network integrity, any surveillance or manipulation of users' data, such as port-blocking, DNS (or simply ToS) censorship, [cough]Phorm[/cough] or Deep Packet Inspection in general lead down a road to perdition, as courts will show little mercy with defendants who through their own actions have themselves conceded (even though inaccurately, as there are still e.g. VPNs) the feasibility of the plaintiffs' outlandish demands.
There's also the fact that some things aren't even sold in some markets. So yes there is copyright infringement but no actual loss of sales. So how can there be any monetary damages in these cases?
I thought we were here to politely discuss copyrights, and then you go and bring logic and facts and fairness into this. Clearly you've never negotiated with **AA's before.
Not true, they have a disconnect policy for people who have used their network outside the TOS and infringing copyright is certainly on that list.
The problem is that they were never provided with a customer who had been found guilty of infringing copyright, only allegations that had not been proven in a court of law... so they did the only sensible thing, they forwarded the allegations of crime to the police and waited for the justice system to arrive at a verdict... none were forthcoming (AFAIK).
The content owners are trying to bypass the judiciary, effectively being judge jury and executioner and on top of that want the ISPs to play gamekeeper for them too... what cheek.
The Amish are not forbidden from driving cars, they do not want to. Big difference.
And I am fairly certain that the movie industry does NOT want to follow the Amish example as the Amish do not watch movies either.
What amazes me is how clearly corrupt politicians are in this area. It is clear that the people do not want it, so why do they try so damned hard? You don't see them try nearly so hard in say restricting petrol usage. So what is the money eh I mean motivator?
MMO Quests are like orgasms:
You may solo them, I prefer them in a group.
Hollywood just had its highest box office year EVER! Clearly piracy is taking a huge toll, and... ...uh... wait...
"Destroy science and religion. Science would re-emerge exactly the same; but not religion." - Penn Jillette, paraphrased
Technical approaches do not solve social problems.
There is a trivial way to resolve illegal downloading.
Legalize it.
> Stephen Conroy: "The problem is at the moment in Australia there is no agreement, there is no discussion, there is no dialogue"
Sounds an awful lot like Stephen Conroy talking about himself on internet censorship.
We already have a "piracy code of conduct" it's called The Law. ISPs should not be conducting vigilante operations at the whim of private enterprises. If copyright holders wish to stop a user from file-sharing they must take that user to court and deal with them under the judicial oversight of the courts.
An SQL query goes to a bar, walks up to a table and asks, "Mind if I join you?"
You are kidding me aren't you ?
The only thing guaranteed is that the Liberals (the ONLY alternative government) will push exactly the same agenda with exactly the same results!
Have you forgotten Helen Coonan seeks to censor the Web and Senator Richard Alston: Australia's Internet killer? both Ministers for Communications under the previous Liberal government ?
Stephen Conroy is a mis-guided tool, there is no doubt, but please don't try to push the point that there is a credible alternative.... there isn't.
Nobody ACTUALLY obeys the law. I don't mean everyone is a criminal, I mean that people in general do what they believe to be the right thing and hopefully the law will agree with them. Sure, they know about the speed limit (because it's posted) but just look how well THAT gets followed.. They know theft and murder are illegal but that's NOT why they don't do it, they don't do it because it's morally wrong. A great many people not only don't know that downloading a file can be illegal, they don't consider it to be morally wrong.
Making the penalties huge out of all proportion and well beyond the penalties for things they consider to be actually wrong only convinces them that it's all a scam and makes sure they will not even listen when someone tries to tell them it's actually wrong. All more laws can do is drive it underground. Keep in mind that before the internet and MP3, people would make tape copies all the time. Nobody ever considered hiding the fact, they saw nothing to be ashamed of.
People in Armani suits showing up in a limo will not convince anyone that they're going broke, especially when they hear that the music and movie industry are posting record profits year after year (except when it comes time to pay net percentages, in which case they never have and never will make a single dime of profit).
Until penalties become sure enough to overcome people's natural tendency to believe it'll never happen to them and severe enough that it can't be written off like a speeding ticket, they won't stop copying. When the penalties DO become that sure and severe, they'll be out to lynch the politicians that sold them down the river. The next batch of elected officials will fix that problem at gunpoint if necessary.